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Post by Axalon on Sept 16, 2016 10:03:35 GMT
Perhaps the most concise way of putting it, well played. Trunks may not have the same potential Gohan has, but Vegeta wants his son to be able to deal with problems on his own, and to always try and become stronger. Never plateau. Never Gohan. Never run to Goku and Vegeta every time a superior opponent rears it's head--instead be prepared for the foe by always seeking new heights to aspire to. ...I'm totally stealing that and using Gohan as a term from now on.
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Post by Son Pan on Sept 16, 2016 10:49:03 GMT
I only read the Super manga of this arc, but in that Trunks trained as hard as he could and obtained great power. He was so strong that he could match SS3 Goku. Did he not train I the anime or something and lose power like Gohan? Also isn't the lesson counterproductive since they just play to go back with Trunks to try beat Black for him when they could let Trunks do the rital to gain a quick power boost then let him train on his own from their to master god ki like Goku did? That way he can go back on his own and try beating Black with his new power and skills?
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Post by Axalon on Sept 16, 2016 11:08:59 GMT
I only read the Super manga of this arc, but in that Trunks trained as hard as he could and obtained great power. He was so strong that he could match SS3 Goku. Did he not train I the anime or something and lose power like Gohan? In the anime Trunks is weaker than SS3 Goku and certainly can't match him. Trunks has made good strides on his own, but like everyone else not named Goku or Vegeta he's just falling behind. Because it isn't just about Trunks. Goku just wants to have a good fight (as always) against Black. To Vegeta it's become a bit more personal. He has sworn vengeance against Black for murdering Future Bulma and for tormenting Trunks in the alternate timeline. So while he wants Trunks to train up and get stronger to deal with threats on his own, he's taking this particular opponent a bit personally.
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Post by Son Pan on Sept 16, 2016 11:23:20 GMT
Ok. So less about Trunks learning a lesson and more about Goku and Vegeta hour lol. Basically don't expect anyone in this series other than them do amount to much or do anything.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 23, 2016 18:11:53 GMT
Is anyone kind and crafty enough to share a link with the translated N.16 manga? Someone commented it was pretty good.
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Post by Azoth on Sept 23, 2016 20:37:48 GMT
Is anyone kind and crafty enough to share a link with the translated N.16 manga? Someone commented it was pretty good. YOUR WISH IS GRANTED
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Post by jkrevan on Sept 25, 2016 17:21:08 GMT
Is anyone kind and crafty enough to share a link with the translated N.16 manga? Someone commented it was pretty good. YOUR WISH IS GRANTEDStealth exposition of why there's no old kai there too...
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Post by Kirasha on Sept 25, 2016 17:49:49 GMT
I do think one point should be addressed, and that is Super's quality. I have seen so many complain about it that it looks awful/horrendous at times. Most often enough when they show comparison pictures, it is usually scenery from the DBZ movies vs Super (particularly SSJ 3 Goku) and I have to question, did these people never saw DBZ? Or have the recent movies and game cutscenes along with nostalgia blinded them too much? I mean DBZ's quality can heavily change from time to time and certain scenes are just as horrible as any scene shown in DBS.
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Post by Azoth on Sept 25, 2016 20:22:10 GMT
Nostalgia. DBZ (even the movies) had their share of bad animation.
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 26, 2016 1:44:51 GMT
About the recent Episode 59...
Again, I really like the teamwork dynamic between Black and Zamasu (and how they have a summer cabin, apparently?) I still have no idea what the heck is going on with those two--their origins will probably make no sense to me when it's finally explained. Interesting, though, how Black seems to be draining strength from Goku to get stronger. This episode's scene with Pilaf and Shu roleplaying is probably the only time I've ever thought they were funny. Whis putting an oven-mitt on Zamasu was hilarious--something I'd expect U4 Buu to do, actually--and Beerus killing Zamasu is probably my favorite moment of DBSuper so far. Not only is this one of the most hardcore kills in all of Dragon Ball, it's also 1) probably the only time we've seen Beerus being a responsible God of Destruction, 2) a reminder that Beerus is still awesome even if Whis, High Priest and Zeno surpass him, and 3) something he did to protect Goku. I doubt Zamasu's death will stick, though--maybe he's already wished for immortality and will regenerate? Ironically, Beerus going all "Destruction" on a bad guy is a little similar to something DBM's done before: And I remember people laughing at this picture back in the day. "Why'd he say 'Annihilation,' lol." Now Super is doing it.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Sept 26, 2016 17:21:53 GMT
About the animation: Yes, DBZ had pretty bad drawing moments, but the overall dynamic and sense of movement on fighting was pretty neat most of the times. DBSuper whether we liked or not, started being a bad, low budget rehashed version of two previous movies. Truly good stuff only started to happen during the tournament saga (both in plot and animation/drawing). DBSuper simply didn't get a decent headstart.
Most of DBSuper bad animation is worse than whatever bad thing appeared on Z, and thus far the best Z moments are better than the best Super moments. Maybe except for the battle of Trunks and Goku vs. Black and Zamasu in the Mirai world. Also, this isn't taking into account most of DBZ happened well over a decade before. Lots of progress in regarding to digital animation (which by seeing most of DBS you wouldn't think they exist) have been made since classic DBZ.
I only enjoyed the tournament saga and thus far I'm liking this future arc too. I didn't bother watching the rehashing of the 2 movies. I only use it for digging for memes.
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Post by Kirasha on Sept 30, 2016 19:50:10 GMT
Hm, if anything, watch the RF version, there was some really good character progress with Vegeta there, as well as a great scene with Krillin practically suffering from PTSD for a moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 20:26:36 GMT
Goku Black's identity revealed next episode:
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 30, 2016 23:23:45 GMT
What...but how...? ...how can someone put their mind in someone else's body but also still be in their own body? Zamasu is still himself in the future!
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Post by Azoth on Sept 30, 2016 23:28:25 GMT
What...but how...? ...how can someone put their mind in someone else's body but also still be in their own body? Zamasu is still himself in the future! Time is convoluted in Dragonball.
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Post by SSbardock84 on Oct 2, 2016 19:39:12 GMT
What I figure is that Future Zamasu is the Zamasu from Future Trunks's timeline and Black Goku is the Zamasu that killed Gowasu and did everything that Present Zamasu was going to do. It's still unclear as to why Future Zamasu wants to be the one to kill Goku though.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 6, 2016 5:26:11 GMT
What...but how...? ...how can someone put their mind in someone else's body but also still be in their own body? I'm guessing it's a rough translation or there are somehow 2 Zamasus in the future timeline (perhaps like Cell in the present?)
If the former, it's probably similar to what Whis said, and Zamasu just created a Goku copy but also asked the dragon to basically copy and paste his own mind and body into the copy (probably to avoid rebellion and lessen "road bumps" if you will. After all, if they think and act exactly like you, you'll get the job done much smoother.) Well Future Zamasu did mention traveling to multiple realities till he found one without Beerus. Who's to say he didn't stumble across one of the futures with a dead Goku or Beerus to stop him, like Alt Timeline 3? He made a wish in that realm for a copy of himself, put that copy's mind into a Goku, find his Time Ring, skip a year, wish for immortality and get another Time Ring, return to Black, let Black cause rampage, and F.Zamasu returns "after awhile" so he could meet up with Black after getting stronger and cause confusion for the heroes? If it's the idea Whis stated, it's probably like a Cyber Shredder from Tmnt. (Please look up. lol) A separate being from the original, yet still maintains the memories and desires of the original.
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 16, 2016 17:00:13 GMT
About this week's episode, number 62: 1. The current plan is to use the Mafuba to beat Black and Zamasu. This makes me really happy. One thing I like about DBM is that it remembers King Piccolo, who was the Big Bad back in his day, and that many other fanfics (and GT) seem to have forgotten him. So I'm glad that Super has remembered, and is planning for Goku to use the one move that can beat an immortal opponent. It probably won't work, but it was still fun to see Goku throw Turtle around. (Apparently Turtle has evil in him?)
Though using the Mafuba reminds me of when U9 Tien tried the same thing on U4 Buu. Yet another thing that DBM did first.
2. Still no explanation for what Trunks' transformation was (or why he gets his eyes back partway through), or why Black is able to exist after Beerus shift-deleted him. Trunks' transformation didn't end up doing all that much...which is okay, because having him suddenly surpass Goku would've been silly.
3. We finally see Gohan, Goten, Krillin, and Piccolo again! Yet Super, like GT, seems determined not to use them. Gohan learns he was an ignorant twerp talking to Trunks, but isn't motivated at all to do anything. Gotenks fighting Black gets ruled out by Bulma. Piccolo doesn't even get to show off the Mafuba! I really hope Super gives each one of those characters one last chance to shine before the series ends.
4. Mai, whether present or future, is annoying. I think that literally her only lines this episode were "Trunksu~" in a helpless, pining tone of voice.
5. There was a scene of Vegeta overhearing Bulma say that Goku's going to save the day again. Lampshade hanging, or foreshadowing that Vegeta will be the one to defeat Black?
6. I laughed really hard when Chi-Chi asked Goku why he was hurt, and he says, "I got beat up by myself."
7. Just what the heck does Gowasu think he can do to stop Black and Zamasu? But on the other hand...if he's Zamasu's master, then maybe he's a better fighter than he is?
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 16, 2016 18:38:46 GMT
About this week's episode, number 62: 1. The current plan is to use the Mafuba to beat Black and Zamasu. This makes me really happy. One thing I like about DBM is that it remembers King Piccolo, who was the Big Bad back in his day, and that many other fanfics (and GT) seem to have forgotten him. So I'm glad that Super has remembered, and is planning for Goku to use the one move that can beat an immortal opponent. It probably won't work, but it was still fun to see Goku throw Turtle around. (Apparently Turtle has evil in him?)
Though using the Mafuba reminds me of when U9 Tien tried the same thing on U4 Buu. Yet another thing that DBM did first.
2. Still no explanation for what Trunks' transformation was (or why he gets his eyes back partway through), or why Black is able to exist after Beerus shift-deleted him. Trunks' transformation didn't end up doing all that much...which is okay, because having him suddenly surpass Goku would've been silly.
3. We finally see Gohan, Goten, Krillin, and Piccolo again! Yet Super, like GT, seems determined not to use them. Gohan learns he was an ignorant twerp talking to Trunks, but isn't motivated at all to do anything. Gotenks fighting Black gets ruled out by Bulma. Piccolo doesn't even get to show off the Mafuba! I really hope Super gives each one of those characters one last chance to shine before the series ends.
4. Mai, whether present or future, is annoying. I think that literally her only lines this episode were "Trunksu~" in a helpless, pining tone of voice.
5. There was a scene of Vegeta overhearing Bulma say that Goku's going to save the day again. Lampshade hanging, or foreshadowing that Vegeta will be the one to defeat Black?
6. I laughed really hard when Chi-Chi asked Goku why he was hurt, and he says, "I got beat up by myself."
7. Just what the heck does Gowasu think he can do to stop Black and Zamasu? But on the other hand...if he's Zamasu's master, then maybe he's a better fighter than he is? 1) Question is that with Super making call backs to old techniques, would that mean that the Mafuba HAS to work or would they have to make a new technique? (Turtle could be impure in thoughts, such as the "dirty magazines" and such. T'is a stretch.
Yeah DBM did it first but M has a reason to say it didn't work... Buu putting himself everywhere. What's the excuse if Goku fails this one?
2) Would've been cool if they kept his eyes white to say he's still "enraged" but I guess his "judgment" side had to return. To think the last episode made it so epic, now a bit of a let down.. Also I noticed he lost the Blue part of the aura after getting his eyes back. Did he lose the form or did he drop out of the form?
3) Only response I had was about Piccolo. It'd be a better joke for Piccolo to be the one getting sealed instead of Turtle. (Eh? Piccolo finally getting sealed again? XD)
5) If it's another RoF ending, then Vegeta will still lose and thus proves Goku has to overcome this fight. BOO!!!!
7) Is there some sort of ability to restrain his apprentice or something like that that would allow Gowasu a chance to beat Black/Zam? Like pecking order? [/spoiler\
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Post by jkrevan on Oct 16, 2016 22:45:55 GMT
1> I was also happy to see they brought hte Mafuuba back, i was betting they'd fuse into Gogeta...
2> I guess this was one of the old Rage boosts... only trunks was able to hold on to it and stand his ground for a WAY longer time.
3>Yep. underused characters are underused, altough i'm happy i wont see gotenks again...
4>Meh, The whole pilaf gang is pointless to me... Mais is only getting more attention due to the future's version thing with trunks.
5>Noticed that too... but that happened before several times.
6> that was funny, buit also ridiculously stupid she wouldnt understand the timelines thing when se was all "Oh my goten died", Also i thought Gohan was going to get out of his lethargy and do something for once.
7> maybe Gowasu is somewhat powerless in the martial sense, he was the Zamasu's master for all matters that the Kaioshin attend, not necessarily fighting, but with Beerus and Whis they might work a way to influence the battle without violating the rules that are in place to regulate the god's activity... There's always Zeno...
Bonus > Use of spoiler tags is tiring... the topic has a huge spoiler warning on the title anyway.
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