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Post by godjacob on Jan 4, 2022 19:18:34 GMT
I feel people are way overhyping Yamcha here. All we get from him in the entire series is that he is casually stronger than Future (And weaker) Android 18. Which is kinda a big point people overlook, Yamcha beat up a defective android in need of refreshed parts. King Cold's 4th Form doesn't have a concrete baseline but it is implifed to go as high as Android 16 who is laughably stronger than Present 17 or 18 much less their weaker future counterparts. If Bardock can fight that version of Cold, and even give him injuries that would imply his power is nothing to sneeze at.
Bardock is also a trained warrior who has fought literally his entire life, so I fail to see where this Yamcha is a better fighter idea comes from. I give it a edge to Bardock here.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 5, 2022 2:02:03 GMT
Time to digg out some old pages of DBM. At first, let's gauge bardock's strength by comparing him to Cold. That alone isn't as easy as it seems, which is why the opinions differ so much. Piccolo says that Cold in his base form is around C17/C18 level. Or maybe stronger. This implies that C18 and C17 where about equal strength, which already is debatable. But let's assume, Cold is somewhere between C17 and C16. So what do we make of Cold's 100 %? Are we going to assume that C17 and C16 were so far apart, that C16 was twice as strong? If so, we can say, that Cold was around C16's level, no matter what (and if not we have to assume he was even stronger). Bardock lost and it didn't seem to be close, but Cold did indeed get some serious wounds as can be seen in the top right panel. He was bleeding from his nose and his mouth and had a few scratch marks on him. In my opinion this qualifies Bardock as being close in strength.
And now we would have to classify Yamcha's strength. To me it seems as if Yamcha didn't miss the maintenance check, so his power didn't decline. But that only means he's still at C17's power level but with more skill. Skill is important and will win a fight between two even fighters. But in DB skill could never close a bigger gap. And now we need to think about how close the gap between C17 and C16 was. Seeing that Cell was absolutely unimpressed by Piccolo's attack which might have killed C17 right away, I do think they are a good chunk apart. So that means, that Bardock could hold his own against an opponent much more powerful than C17.
And the thing is: You guys suppose that Yamcha would be more skilled than Bardock, because he is a martial artist. That of course gives him a clear edge against all civilians, but Bardock fought all of his life. What are martial arts if not a simulation of real combat? Yamcha really doesn't have an edge over Bardock in that regard. And it's debatable if his power level is even close to Bardock's. So how come you all think Yamcha would win this with ease?
How often has Bardock faced a powerful adversary in U3 though once he defeated Frieza? Only enough times to unlock SSJ me thinks. I think in terms of experience I am sure U9 Yamcha holds the edge, U9 fought Dabura and Babidi, where was Bardock fighting Dabura level opponents? While it's obvious Yamcha could not defeat Dabura by himself Dabura is also on a completely different level compared to #16, Semi-Perfect Cell and ASSJ Vegeta. I don't think Yamcha would have such an easy time winning but he would still have a much higher chance of winning even if their power level was relatively even. And I see no indication that Bardock is any more powerful than Yamcha just because Cold (I am starting to think we should stop calling him Cold, he is obviously Ginyu now) was compared to #17 or #16 especially since Bardock got his ass handed to him. He is literally the weakest Super Saiyan besides U18 Pan who just unlocked her SSJ form during her match against U13 Kakarotto and is also at old age at this point. Serious stretch to think Bardock has any good chance of winning, especially since he also has a disadvantage of his visions fucking him over during his fights.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 5, 2022 2:07:04 GMT
I feel people are way overhyping Yamcha here. All we get from him in the entire series is that he is casually stronger than Future (And weaker) Android 18. Which is kinda a big point people overlook, Yamcha beat up a defective android in need of refreshed parts. King Cold's 4th Form doesn't have a concrete baseline but it is implifed to go as high as Android 16 who is laughably stronger than Present 17 or 18 much less their weaker future counterparts. If Bardock can fight that version of Cold, and even give him injuries that would imply his power is nothing to sneeze at. Bardock is also a trained warrior who has fought literally his entire life, so I fail to see where this Yamcha is a better fighter idea comes from. I give it a edge to Bardock here. Bardock also has likely avoided many tough fights as well once he got his vision. This can be seen in the U3 Specials after he defeated Frieza. Don't forget he kept himself from fighting even Hanasia. The guy may be a fighter but he also prefers avoiding deadly encounters whenever possible. The dude might be trained before but it's been decades and the only reason why he even has SSJ is probably because of his desperate struggles regarding Raichi and the fall of the Saiyan Empire. So I don't think Bardock has any edge over Yamcha on that, now if his entire life was the same lifestyle he had under Frieza's rule then yes, Bardock would have likely gained power and experience to crush Yamcha. Plus his visions interferes in his fight so it actually puts Bardock at a disadvantage. I think their power is relatively even, hard to tell who is stronger but Bardock also never mastered SSJ or anything of the sort as well.
I don't see Bardock having any real advantage over U9 Yamcha in this case. Maybe in raw power he has an edge but clearly it isn't a large edge. Plus Yamcha wasn't just beating a weaker #18, he was doing it with ease. Even if he was equal to #17 and #18 (during DBZ) it's doubtful Bardock is any stronger than #17 and #18 as well and if he is it certainly isn't by much because Ginyu (in Cold's body) dominated Bardock in the fight and he is Semi-Perfect Cell level.
I think this would be a good matchup and not a washup against either guy but I hardly see Bardock winning unless he gets some lucky blows in.
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Post by Skarr on Jan 5, 2022 14:31:03 GMT
Dr. Wheelo's comment was Jan 3rd, 2017 and GodYamcha's was Jan 3rd, 2021. Reviving this old thread on the five year anniversary!
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Post by Solus on Jan 5, 2022 16:01:34 GMT
Time to digg out some old pages of DBM. At first, let's gauge bardock's strength by comparing him to Cold. That alone isn't as easy as it seems, which is why the opinions differ so much. Piccolo says that Cold in his base form is around C17/C18 level. Or maybe stronger. This implies that C18 and C17 where about equal strength, which already is debatable. But let's assume, Cold is somewhere between C17 and C16. So what do we make of Cold's 100 %? Are we going to assume that C17 and C16 were so far apart, that C16 was twice as strong? If so, we can say, that Cold was around C16's level, no matter what (and if not we have to assume he was even stronger). Bardock lost and it didn't seem to be close, but Cold did indeed get some serious wounds as can be seen in the top right panel. He was bleeding from his nose and his mouth and had a few scratch marks on him. In my opinion this qualifies Bardock as being close in strength.
And now we would have to classify Yamcha's strength. To me it seems as if Yamcha didn't miss the maintenance check, so his power didn't decline. But that only means he's still at C17's power level but with more skill. Skill is important and will win a fight between two even fighters. But in DB skill could never close a bigger gap. And now we need to think about how close the gap between C17 and C16 was. Seeing that Cell was absolutely unimpressed by Piccolo's attack which might have killed C17 right away, I do think they are a good chunk apart. So that means, that Bardock could hold his own against an opponent much more powerful than C17.
And the thing is: You guys suppose that Yamcha would be more skilled than Bardock, because he is a martial artist. That of course gives him a clear edge against all civilians, but Bardock fought all of his life. What are martial arts if not a simulation of real combat? Yamcha really doesn't have an edge over Bardock in that regard. And it's debatable if his power level is even close to Bardock's. So how come you all think Yamcha would win this with ease?
How often has Bardock faced a powerful adversary in U3 though once he defeated Frieza? Only enough times to unlock SSJ me thinks. I think in terms of experience I am sure U9 Yamcha holds the edge, U9 fought Dabura and Babidi, where was Bardock fighting Dabura level opponents? While it's obvious Yamcha could not defeat Dabura by himself Dabura is also on a completely different level compared to #16, Semi-Perfect Cell and ASSJ Vegeta. I don't think Yamcha would have such an easy time winning but he would still have a much higher chance of winning even if their power level was relatively even. And I see no indication that Bardock is any more powerful than Yamcha just because Cold (I am starting to think we should stop calling him Cold, he is obviously Ginyu now) was compared to #17 or #16 especially since Bardock got his ass handed to him. He is literally the weakest Super Saiyan besides U18 Pan who just unlocked her SSJ form during her match against U13 Kakarotto and is also at old age at this point. Serious stretch to think Bardock has any good chance of winning, especially since he also has a disadvantage of his visions fucking him over during his fights. U9 defeating Babidi and Dabura is a good point. But since I don't remember any special or even minicomic with that content, it's unclear how they did it. I mean, Future Gohan also defeated Dabura, so unless we actually see what happened there, we shouldn't take this into consideration.
Also Bardock needed to face a few strong opponents to become as strong as he is. Remember Goku's initial SSJ who was only slightly stronger than Freezer? After that, Goku trained and was still weaker than C18. Piccolo was on par with C17, yet his most powerfull attack didn't even scratch Cell, who was on par with C16. Bardock however could scratch Cold. So it's safe to assume, that Bardock is stronger than Piccolo and thus also stronger than C17 (U18). That's a lot of steps to go from initial SSJ. And he isn't that old, tbh.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 5, 2022 16:38:50 GMT
Dr. Wheelo's comment was Jan 3rd, 2017 and GodYamcha's was Jan 3rd, 2021. Reviving this old thread on the five year anniversary! All to celebrate our lord and savior Yamcha!
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 5, 2022 16:47:25 GMT
How often has Bardock faced a powerful adversary in U3 though once he defeated Frieza? Only enough times to unlock SSJ me thinks. I think in terms of experience I am sure U9 Yamcha holds the edge, U9 fought Dabura and Babidi, where was Bardock fighting Dabura level opponents? While it's obvious Yamcha could not defeat Dabura by himself Dabura is also on a completely different level compared to #16, Semi-Perfect Cell and ASSJ Vegeta. I don't think Yamcha would have such an easy time winning but he would still have a much higher chance of winning even if their power level was relatively even. And I see no indication that Bardock is any more powerful than Yamcha just because Cold (I am starting to think we should stop calling him Cold, he is obviously Ginyu now) was compared to #17 or #16 especially since Bardock got his ass handed to him. He is literally the weakest Super Saiyan besides U18 Pan who just unlocked her SSJ form during her match against U13 Kakarotto and is also at old age at this point. Serious stretch to think Bardock has any good chance of winning, especially since he also has a disadvantage of his visions fucking him over during his fights. U9 defeating Babidi and Dabura is a good point. But since I don't remember any special or even minicomic with that content, it's unclear how they did it. I mean, Future Gohan also defeated Dabura, so unless we actually see what happened there, we shouldn't take this into consideration.
Also Bardock needed to face a few strong opponents to become as strong as he is. Remember Goku's initial SSJ who was only slightly stronger than Freezer? After that, Goku trained and was still weaker than C18. Piccolo was on par with C17, yet his most powerfull attack didn't even scratch Cell, who was on par with C16. Bardock however could scratch Cold. So it's safe to assume, that Bardock is stronger than Piccolo and thus also stronger than C17 (U18). That's a lot of steps to go from initial SSJ. And he isn't that old, tbh.
Yeah but Bardock could have also just done what he did through training as well though, maybe the stress from dealing with the Saiyan Empire being destroyed by Raichi triggered his SSJ form. Don't forget U3 Vegeta didn't fight anyone tough before unlocking SSJ and he still had SSJ and held his own against Broly (until he went LSSJ and curbstomped Vegeta only to die by Carbonite). Like I said, there is a reason why Bardock is the weakest SSJ in DBM besides U18 Pan who just unlocked SSJ. I assume that Bardock managed to unlock SSJ during his training. Also U7 Vegeta got SSJ fighting the Ginyu Force (guys even Raditz of U13 could beat), which is pretty stupid since the Ginyu Force is nowhere near SSJ level, not even close.
Also yes he is fairly old, isn't he at minimum 77 years old? I get that Saiyans don't age like Humans but in DBM Nappa is negatively impacted by age according to the Z-fighters observing the first fight (Nappa vs Cargot), stands to reason Bardock would also be since he is comparably old. I am not sure if Yamcha has the same problem though because he is cybernetically enhanced, but let's be real, if Yamcha wasn't cybernetically enhanced I doubt he would even have a prayer against Bardock since unlike Tien he doesn't have Kaioken nor KiKoHo and not sure if Yamcha would learn it.
I think this would be a decent fight but Bardock's chances are lower than Yamchas. If Bardock does manage to gain SSJ2 (like the novel hinted) then it's over for Yamcha.
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Post by godjacob on Jan 5, 2022 21:38:00 GMT
I feel people are way overhyping Yamcha here. All we get from him in the entire series is that he is casually stronger than Future (And weaker) Android 18. Which is kinda a big point people overlook, Yamcha beat up a defective android in need of refreshed parts. King Cold's 4th Form doesn't have a concrete baseline but it is implifed to go as high as Android 16 who is laughably stronger than Present 17 or 18 much less their weaker future counterparts. If Bardock can fight that version of Cold, and even give him injuries that would imply his power is nothing to sneeze at. Bardock is also a trained warrior who has fought literally his entire life, so I fail to see where this Yamcha is a better fighter idea comes from. I give it a edge to Bardock here. Bardock also has likely avoided many tough fights as well once he got his vision. This can be seen in the U3 Specials after he defeated Frieza. Don't forget he kept himself from fighting even Hanasia. The guy may be a fighter but he also prefers avoiding deadly encounters whenever possible. The dude might be trained before but it's been decades and the only reason why he even has SSJ is probably because of his desperate struggles regarding Raichi and the fall of the Saiyan Empire. So I don't think Bardock has any edge over Yamcha on that, now if his entire life was the same lifestyle he had under Frieza's rule then yes, Bardock would have likely gained power and experience to crush Yamcha. Plus his visions interferes in his fight so it actually puts Bardock at a disadvantage. I think their power is relatively even, hard to tell who is stronger but Bardock also never mastered SSJ or anything of the sort as well.
I don't see Bardock having any real advantage over U9 Yamcha in this case. Maybe in raw power he has an edge but clearly it isn't a large edge. Plus Yamcha wasn't just beating a weaker #18, he was doing it with ease. Even if he was equal to #17 and #18 (during DBZ) it's doubtful Bardock is any stronger than #17 and #18 as well and if he is it certainly isn't by much because Ginyu (in Cold's body) dominated Bardock in the fight and he is Semi-Perfect Cell level.
I think this would be a good matchup and not a washup against either guy but I hardly see Bardock winning unless he gets some lucky blows in.
I mean even if you cap Bardock's experience to the moment where he listens to the alien prophet as the divergent point, he'd still have about a life time of experience taking on dangerous missions above the level of a low grade Saiyan. That experience wouldn't just vanish, and we have no idea what Yamcha's life is like. If it was similar to say his canon counterpart before he became an android, Yamcha is far from an experienced lifetime martial artist. We know nothing about this Yamcaha's life to just assume he is this experienced fighting veteran given how he acts. Just saying if Bardock could do any damage to Cold at all, it does imply he is a higher grade than the present androids and we can only make guesses based on how strong Yamcha is given he was a one and done fight against a weaker foe.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 5, 2022 21:55:50 GMT
I don’t see it being that far fetched that Yamecha can be on Android 16’s level or higher. Gero was able to turn two teenagers who as far we know were just ordinary humans into two beings who rival Frost Demons and Super Saiyans. If cybernetics were able to enhance two normal humans to that level I can imagine what it could do for a human fighters like Tien or Yamecha. We know Yamecha is a infinite energy model like 17 and 18, so the chances the cybernetic enhancements Yamecha got are just as advance as theirs is strong. A stronger human base to work with can likely produce stronger cyborgs.
Based on U11 special it does seem possible 17 and 18 can train to get stronger, since 17 was training with Goku and Vegeta. By the time Goku surpassed 17 and was able to beat him in a match it is after they discovered ASS and by the time Vegeta stopped wearing his armor and transitioned to his Buu arc look. I always took it to mean that even after Vegeta and likely Goku got ASS under their belt that 17 was still beating them. 17 doesn’t admit defeat until Goku clearly beats him in a match after Vegeta has stopped wearing his armor (the special showed us Vegeta achieved ASS he was still wearing the armor) That always felt like since Vegeta was transitioning into his Buu arc look that it had been a few years until Goku was able to beat 17. Even taking the time chamber out of the equation it still feel weird that it took years for Goku and Vegeta to surpass 17 if 17’s power never grew at all, especially since they both achieved ASS.
If it is possible for cyborgs to get stronger through training that means Yamecha could have potentially grown stronger through training. U9 we still see Krillin and Tien are active fighter despite their old age. The humans are likely still training just in case a new threat shows up. While I doubt Yamecha is anywhere near SS2 level of power I could see him reaching Android 16’s level after all this time, possibly exceeding it. I could be wrong in my assumptions, but I wanted to flesh out my reasoning for why I think U9 Yamecha might be stronger than U3 Bardock.
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Post by Happi on Jan 10, 2022 17:55:41 GMT
In the fight between Coldyu and Bardock, the saiyan comments about not wanting to take any direct hits and had a bit of speed disadvantage; this is before the body swapper went to 100% and *only got in most of their hits through openings while the Frost demon clearly was being cocky*. *Bardock: Fighting defensively.
However, I will note that Bardock did indeed get *two successful hits in and a ki blast to the face that made the U8 god (at 100% at this point) bleed from the nose* after questioning if he could win or not. *Bardock: Fighting offensively.
*These are major diffrences in performance to note.
So if Coldyu was compared to an cyborg at their initial transformation and grew stronger, I think that Bardock would he able to clobber Yamcha if he fought the way he did in the second act against Coldyu as he does have the means to hurt a very powerful being.
Yamcha may have polished skill, unlimited stamina, a force field (presumably if he's exactly built the same as 17) and a handsome face... He doesn't quite have the means or feats to backup on being able to beat the superior scarred faced Goku.
Sorry Yamcha fans. 😥
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Post by hector on Jan 10, 2022 20:17:17 GMT
I think that someone has to have beat Dabura in U9, and that someone is Yamcha. U3 Bardock lost to a Semi Cell level opponent (100% 4th Form Cold), so he loses.
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Post by Skarr on Jan 23, 2022 13:29:55 GMT
I think both of them fall between #16 and Semi-Perfect Cell. Bardock might be more of a seasoned warrior but Yamcha was the third strongest human and one of the few humans to ever surpass Master Roshi so he ain't no chump. It might be similar to Piccolo vs #17 and that they're close in power but Yamcha's cyborg stamina gives an advantage.
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Post by NamelessSaiyan on Jan 24, 2022 22:40:00 GMT
16 was probably not much stronger than 17. He could hold Imperfect Cell off and that's it.
If Coldyu is between 16 and 17 and Bardock lost while pushing Coldyu's base, there shouldn't be a large gap between Yamcha and Bardock, if it even exists. Bardock is a crafty Saiyan who managed to survive this far despite being hunted by Raichi's ghost army. Yamcha is strong, but how effective is he as a fighter without relying on U9's teamwork?
I wonder if the injuries Bardock sustained in the Coldyu fight were enough to give him a zenkai? If so, he'd comfortably beat Yamcha, no question. Sadly he gained nothing from being Majinized.
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Post by godjacob on Jan 24, 2022 23:25:47 GMT
16 was probably not much stronger than 17. He could hold Imperfect Cell off and that's it. If Coldyu is between 16 and 17 and Bardock lost while pushing Coldyu's base, there shouldn't be a large gap between Yamcha and Bardock, if it even exists. Bardock is a crafty Saiyan who managed to survive this far despite being hunted by Raichi's ghost army. Yamcha is strong, but how effective is he as a fighter without relying on U9's teamwork? I wonder if the injuries Bardock sustained in the Coldyu fight were enough to give him a zenkai? If so, he'd comfortably beat Yamcha, no question. Sadly he gained nothing from being Majinized. Uh, there is a massive gap between 16 and 17. Imperfect Cell was casually handing 17 and Piccolo their asses, treating them like children. Then 16 stepped in and was fighting Imperfect Cell on equal footing, even forced him to hide and bide time to get 17 cause he couldn't remove 16 from the equation as he was.
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Post by NamelessSaiyan on Jan 25, 2022 15:52:25 GMT
16 was probably not much stronger than 17. He could hold Imperfect Cell off and that's it. If Coldyu is between 16 and 17 and Bardock lost while pushing Coldyu's base, there shouldn't be a large gap between Yamcha and Bardock, if it even exists. Bardock is a crafty Saiyan who managed to survive this far despite being hunted by Raichi's ghost army. Yamcha is strong, but how effective is he as a fighter without relying on U9's teamwork? I wonder if the injuries Bardock sustained in the Coldyu fight were enough to give him a zenkai? If so, he'd comfortably beat Yamcha, no question. Sadly he gained nothing from being Majinized. Uh, there is a massive gap between 16 and 17. Imperfect Cell was casually handing 17 and Piccolo their asses, treating them like children. Then 16 stepped in and was fighting Imperfect Cell on equal footing, even forced him to hide and bide time to get 17 cause he couldn't remove 16 from the equation as he was. I have to agree with you. For some reason I keep remembering the Piccolo/Imperfect Cell fight as more even than it actually was.
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Post by godjacob on Jan 25, 2022 18:08:35 GMT
Uh, there is a massive gap between 16 and 17. Imperfect Cell was casually handing 17 and Piccolo their asses, treating them like children. Then 16 stepped in and was fighting Imperfect Cell on equal footing, even forced him to hide and bide time to get 17 cause he couldn't remove 16 from the equation as he was. I have to agree with you. For some reason I keep remembering the Piccolo/Imperfect Cell fight as more even than it actually was. Probably remembering the first fight when Piccolo did have the power edge on Imperfect Cell before Cell absorbed god knows how many people to jump a tier or two over him.
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Post by NamelessSaiyan on Jan 26, 2022 23:01:33 GMT
I think that someone has to have beat Dabura in U9, and that someone is Yamcha. U3 Bardock lost to a Semi Cell level opponent (100% 4th Form Cold), so he loses. Dabura is below Cell Games' Cell (so below Perfect Cell). However, the gap between Semi and Perfect Cell is huge. And yet again the gap between Semi-Perfect and A16 is huge. If 100% 4th Form Cold is between A17 and A16 then he's far weaker than Semi-Perfect Cell. Personally I think they beat Dabura through their usual teamwork. I think Bulma could have made improvements to Yamcha that would have made him stronger than A17, but even then, he can't get any stronger (I could be wrong here). This would make Dabura several tiers above Yamcha. No way he's winning without help.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 27, 2022 2:24:43 GMT
I think that someone has to have beat Dabura in U9, and that someone is Yamcha. U3 Bardock lost to a Semi Cell level opponent (100% 4th Form Cold), so he loses. Dabura is below Cell Games' Cell (so below Perfect Cell). However, the gap between Semi and Perfect Cell is huge. And yet again the gap between Semi-Perfect and A16 is huge. If 100% 4th Form Cold is between A17 and A16 then he's far weaker than Semi-Perfect Cell. Personally I think they beat Dabura through their usual teamwork. I think Bulma could have made improvements to Yamcha that would have made him stronger than A17, but even then, he can't get any stronger (I could be wrong here). This would make Dabura several tiers above Yamcha. No way he's winning without help. I think it's evident U9 defeated Dabura with a lot of help beyond just Yamcha. But in terms of Yamcha and Bardock, they are both far weaker than Dabura anyways so it's a poor comparison, that's like comparing Gohan (either U16 and U18) and Cell to U16 Bra.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 27, 2022 2:27:04 GMT
16 was probably not much stronger than 17. He could hold Imperfect Cell off and that's it. If Coldyu is between 16 and 17 and Bardock lost while pushing Coldyu's base, there shouldn't be a large gap between Yamcha and Bardock, if it even exists. Bardock is a crafty Saiyan who managed to survive this far despite being hunted by Raichi's ghost army. Yamcha is strong, but how effective is he as a fighter without relying on U9's teamwork? I wonder if the injuries Bardock sustained in the Coldyu fight were enough to give him a zenkai? If so, he'd comfortably beat Yamcha, no question. Sadly he gained nothing from being Majinized. Uh, there is a massive gap between 16 and 17. Imperfect Cell was casually handing 17 and Piccolo their asses, treating them like children. Then 16 stepped in and was fighting Imperfect Cell on equal footing, even forced him to hide and bide time to get 17 cause he couldn't remove 16 from the equation as he was. You realize that Piccolo was exhausted and #17 was injured right? Neither were even close to being at full strength when Cell showed up. In fact, Cell showed up on purpose knowing full well that they'd be easy pickings after Piccolo and #17 beat the tar out of each other. There is a gap and #16 is stronger and Imperfect Cell likely is too but it's not by much. If Piccolo was at full strength or #17 was at full strength then Cell would still be in trouble against them.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 27, 2022 2:28:50 GMT
I think both of them fall between #16 and Semi-Perfect Cell. Bardock might be more of a seasoned warrior but Yamcha was the third strongest human and one of the few humans to ever surpass Master Roshi so he ain't no chump. It might be similar to Piccolo vs #17 and that they're close in power but Yamcha's cyborg stamina gives an advantage. Bardock's psychic abilities will likely hurt him during the fight too so Bardock is kneecapped, not to mention he is old as well (though I am not sure if that has enough of a impact, maybe in his prime he'd kick Cyborg Yamcha's ass, maybe not).
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