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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 14, 2017 6:43:29 GMT
So if you are familiar with the Reborn as Yamcha Spin-Off Manga Series, you should know what I am speaking about. How would you live your life as Yamcha and how would events play out? Feel free to go as far as the Tournament of Power if you want. I'll include how I'd do things (if I didn't use the Super Dragon Balls) and how I think events would turn out all the way up to the Tournament of Power in the below Spoiler. After training with Roshi, I would've made sure that Dr. Gero would die at some point before Raditz appears and the spaceship ready with Multiple Gravity Rooms to go to Namek would also be prepared prior to Raditz arriving. I would've helped Goku and Piccolo defeat Raditz too like it's made obvious Goku never died since Kami had to break rules to get Goku to train with King Kai. This would only be the case if Goku was alive when taken to Other World, which the story seemed to heavily imply.
Now another change would happen here, I'd have had Kami take all the Z Fighters to Snake Way so they could all train under King Kai. If everyone knew how to use the Kaio-ken and Spirit Bomb it would have a great impact on future events. Also the 10x Gravity Training would help immensely too. Now instead of sticking around to fully master both techniques, I think 6 months would be enough to learn the techniques and get a basic understanding of them. I'd contact Bulma via King Kai's telepathy and have her summon Shenron with enough time to still go to Namek. I'd have her wish for everyone to be teleported back to Earth, so we could go to Namek. Once there, we'd go to Guru to get our potential unlocked. So now the entire Z Warrior gang has learned the Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, and has received the potential unlock. Since we'd still have about 5 months until Vegeta and Nappa appeared, we'd all train with Nail and since we're training with him, we might as well teach him the Kaio-ken too. Now Nail also knows the Kaio-ken. Also Guru having read my/Yamacha's mind, would know about the impending arrival of Frieza and could therefore make some sort of preparations. Maybe have it to where warriors are always present in the village at all times until the arrival of Frieza so they could destroy the Frieza forces scouters when they arrive in the first village that will be attacked.
After having returned to Earth (but not before giving Guru a means to communicate with us back on Earth) with enough time to beat the Saiyans back, myself and the other Z fighters will be plenty strong enough to defeat the Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta with ease. I mean Gohan with his potential unlocked with be at least 20K (he had 32K after Guru unlocked it in the main DBZ timeline) and Goku would be even much stronger and this of course would be even before using the Kaio-ken. Now seeing as Vegeta wouldn't be needed due to Gero being dead already, we'd make sure to dispatch him too, but not before destroying his Scouter to ensure that Frieza sticks with the plan to attack Namek to get a head start on Vegeta.
Now soon Guru would be contacting us to let us know that he can sense the Frieza forces approaching the Planet Namek. Everyone still being in top physical shape would then head off to Namek. Of course Frieza would still arrive first. It wouldn't be a problem since his scouters would be disabled. He'd probably be calling the Ginyu Force in earlier as a result, but that would be okay. With everyone getting in some Gravity Training and Sparring to prepare, we'd be plenty powerful enough to stop the Ginyu Forces too especially with the Kaio-ken. Shortly after dispatching the Ginyu Forces, we'd fight Frieza and he'd resort to his Final Form probably much sooner. We could probably all hold him off as Goku charges a Spirit Bomb and the things would play out mostly the same. I'd allow Krillin to be killed so Goku goes Super Saiyan. Gohan probably would be powerful enough to achieve it too, so we could have a Super Saiyan tag team to easily destroy Frieza. Namek wouldn't be destroyed and things would be much better for everyone.
Before leaving Namek, I'd find Ginyu's pod and retrieve the coordinates from it so we could stop on Planet Yardrat to learn the Instant Transmission. After the Z Warriors learn Instant Transmission and return to Earth, I'd let Kami know about Babidi's spaceship hidden deep in the Earth and tell him that it is of utmost importance that the Supreme Kai is informed about this. After discovering this information, it'd be likely that Supreme Kai would wish to thank me and probably wish to see me out of curiosity after he confirms that it's true. I could discuss with him about the Babidi's minions and keep in mind that King Cold likely might be a possible target for Babidi's mind control as well. Supreme Kai could then approach the rest of the Z fighters and we could discuss about the powerful foes that Babidi has under his control. Of course only having 2 Super Saiyans, a handful of Earthlings knowing the Kaio-ken, and a Namekian capable of it too, would be nowhere near enough to take them on, so we'd continue training until a time when the Supreme Kai was confident we could handle them. When Goku contracts the Heart Virus, we'd cure him with a wish from Shenron and then continue our training. I think at some point in time Supreme Kai realizes that the Z Fighters might have what it takes to draw the Z Sword out of the stone. I'd at that point make sure that the Z Sword is broken like in the manga/anime. Elder Kai could then perform a Potential Unlock on all the Z Warriors. After everyone unlocks their Ultimate form, it'd definitely be time to ambush and stop Babidi.
When that time finally arrives to ambush Babidi's ship, I'd say somewhere probably at least a couple years earlier than when it happened in Z. I don't think a full 12 years of training would be required. We'd again easily dispatch our foes with the slightest of ease. Babidi and his minions would be no match for the Ultimate Z Warriors that all know Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, and Instant Transmission. Not even Majin King Cold would improve his chances. With no Majin Vegeta to help awaken Buu, we'd stop Buu from being awakened and that would be that.
Things would then proceed peacefully for Earth. With no Vegeta, there wouldn't be enough Saiyans for a God Ritual and at the very least Beerus wouldn't wake up so early. It's possible that after Gohan and Videl and Goku and Chi-Chi have more offspring that he might appear then. If there were ever enough Saiyans existing to perform the ritual then the prophecy still would've predicted the Super Saiyan God, but just not as soon, so he'd only wake up at that later point.
King Cold having never been killed until much later would mean that Frieza's empire would've been absorbed by him and therefore Frieza would never be revived by Sorbet.
Hypothetically let's say Goku has a 3rd child and Gohan a 2nd child, this probably wouldn't be until at least 5 or 10 years after Z's end. At that point Beerus would appear and both Goku and Gohan would be much much stronger. So whichever of them becomes the SSJG, would easily defeat Beerus. The U6 vs U7 Tournament would still probably happen.
The U6 vs U7 Tournament team for U7 would probably be Goku, Gohan, Goten (22-27 years old), Pan (10-15 years old), and Piccolo. Damn by this point, I think they'd basically have 4 SSJBs and Piccolo on the team and U6 would be utterly wrecked.
No Gero or Vegeta means no Future Timeline, so no Goku Black Arc. Goku would eventually ask Zeno-Oh about the Tournament of Power (of course he doesn't refer to it by that name when asking). Goku, Gohan, and Goten would probably be the members for the Exhibition Match.
No Vegeta, no revived Frieza, and no Buu (no Uub as well) means they wouldn't be on the U7 Team for the ToP. The team would probably not change too much though. Goten and Pan being old enough to participate would probably replace Vegeta and Buu/Frieza's spots. Well now we're caught up to the events of DBS (tho some happening quite a bit later), I think that would be it for how things would differ if I had been Reborn as Yamcha.
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Post by The Masterman on Jun 14, 2017 7:07:30 GMT
If it was me I'd welcome that suicidal Saibaman with open arms and hope I get brought back as someone better.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jun 15, 2017 4:32:51 GMT
I would attempt to become the strongest and learn every single technique underneath the sun. To give you an idea, I would try to become this. The Masterman I read your post at work today and burst out laughing. I can totally see a version of Yamcha doing that now. XD
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Post by The Masterman on Jun 15, 2017 4:38:37 GMT
I would attempt to become the strongest and learn every single technique underneath the sun. To give you an idea, I would try to become this. The Masterman I read your post at work today and burst out laughing. I can totally see a version of Yamcha doing that now. XD Now if I was stuck Yamcha I'd stay dead and train with King Kai for a few years straight and/or do the other world tournament at some point. :T
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 15, 2017 6:37:53 GMT
I would attempt to become the strongest and learn every single technique underneath the sun. To give you an idea, I would try to become this. The Masterman I read your post at work today and burst out laughing. I can totally see a version of Yamcha doing that now. XD You would never accomplish that. Yamcha would never ever reach that level. At least I stayed within the realm of realism. The best Yamcha would accomplish is knowing Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, & Instant Transmission and having achieved an Ultimate form from Old Kai. I think this at best would put him in the realm of Super Saiyan Goku on Namek and maybe with the Kaio-ken he could pump that up to the level of Piccolo when he fought against Cell. In my scenario, I think I got him up to the highest he'd get and even by making it to where the Androids and Cell never came to fruition, Goku and Gohan would still surpass him by far come Buu Saga. Then when Beerus woke up much later after Goku and Gohan produced enough offspring to allow a Super Saiyan God Ritual to take place, the Saiyans would outclass him by leaps and bounds. The interesting things is that by making it to where there is no Vegeta, no Androids, no Cell, and Buu stays stuck in his ball that the Saiyans that do exist would actually be far stronger since as Yamcha, I'd tip the odds in everyone's favor for benefiting the most. Come the ToP (which would take place 15-20 years after it does in Super), there would be 4 Saiyans that have Ultimate God Forms (Goku, Gohan, Goten, & Pan), which I would assume would allow the Ultimate form to harness the power of a SSJG.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jun 15, 2017 7:08:11 GMT
I would attempt to become the strongest and learn every single technique underneath the sun. To give you an idea, I would try to become this. The Masterman I read your post at work today and burst out laughing. I can totally see a version of Yamcha doing that now. XD You would never accomplish that. Yamcha would never ever reach that level. At least I stayed within the realm of realism. The best Yamcha would accomplish is knowing Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, & Instant Transmission and having achieved an Ultimate form from Old Kai. I think this at best would put him in the realm of Super Saiyan Goku on Namek and maybe with the Kaio-ken he could pump that up to the level of Piccolo when he fought against Cell. In my scenario, I think I got him up to the highest he'd get and even by making it to where the Androids and Cell never came to fruition, Goku and Gohan would still surpass him by far come Buu Saga. Then when Beerus woke up much later after Goku and Gohan produced enough offspring to allow a Super Saiyan God Ritual to take place, the Saiyans would outclass him by leaps and bounds. The interesting things is that by making it to where there is no Vegeta, no Androids, no Cell, and Buu stays stuck in his ball that the Saiyans that do exist would actually be far stronger since as Yamcha, I'd tip the odds in everyone's favor for benefiting the most. Come the ToP (which would take place 15-20 years after it does in Super), there would be 4 Saiyans that have Ultimate God Forms (Goku, Gohan, Goten, & Pan), which I would assume would allow the Ultimate form to harness the power of a SSJG. Ahh but you are forgetting the most hax power within DBZ. Dragon Balls. Especially the Super Dragon Balls. Of course by living through the original DB and DBZ storylines, I will never reach some levels though if I play my cards right, I will become very powerful. For starters, knowing many techniques and never neglecting training will definitely make me stay ahead a vast majority of characters in the original dragon ball. Training underneath Master Roshi before the 21st budokai, fighting against the red ribbon army, and alot more will aid me tremendously. And since I already know the storyline, you bet your behind I will cheat via dragon balls to gain a tremendous edge (immortality with eternal youth, augmented training gains, zenkai-like powers, possible SSJ forms akin to DB Online, etc). As for DBZ I will try to learn the more advanced techniques (like the kaioken) and simply train and go through various potential unlocks to be the best I can be. And if I have my dragon ball hax powers, my victory will almost be guaranteed for each fight though I can still lose if I become too overconfident. The likes of Captain Ginyu, Cell, and Buu are perfect examples. And as for super, the super dragon balls will once again aid me and will become the first human to wield god ki. Ha, Xeno Yamcha will be the first Yamcha in all of dragon ball spinoffs to become a god. I will cry with joy, and know it is possible. But ultimately the dragon balls will be my key for ultimate power. Without those, I know I could surpass namek saga Frieza using normal methods and some otherworld training, but I will hit a unbreakable plateau. Cyborg enhancements and refining the kaioken into higher but safer multipliers will have to be the next step to tangle with the likes of Seventeen, with more potential unlocking to maybe hit lower Perfect Cell tier class. But that will be it unfortunately. After that, only fusion will allow me to ascend into higher tier classes.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jun 15, 2017 7:14:32 GMT
I'd train only to be stronger than Vegeta and bang Bulma all day in the meanwhile. I'd let everyone else fend off for Cyborgs, Demons, Pink Gum, Giant Green Cockroaches and whatever.
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Post by The Masterman on Jun 15, 2017 8:28:39 GMT
Well I'd avoid coming back so I don't get forcefully penetrated by an old man while his creepy clown f*** buddy watches.
I would be annoyed during the android saga not because of that ^ but because by that point the humans were completely left behind and couldn't catch up, hence why I'd stay in otherworld where I'd get the best training.
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Post by Symbiotic on Jun 15, 2017 17:26:26 GMT
If it was me I'd do the bare minimum to stay alive. Make sure Gero is dies during the Red Ribbon Saga, destroy Raditz' scouter so Vegeta and Frieza never learn about the dragon balls, wish up Buu's pod and hide it in a capsule or the RoSAT. If I got to make a wish to Shenron early on I'd wish to return to this world, or failing that to have the Z-Sword teleported to me or the other way round. The power unlock would be useful if any villains did come to Earth who I couldn't get Goku and Gohan levelled enough to fight. Dabura is the only significant enemy I'd be unable to avoid, and a Solar flare kienzan barrage combination would make short work of him.
I'm not worried about Beerus since if there isn't a Super Saiyan God the Oracle fish won't have seen a SSG, therefore Beerus won't wake up or come to Earth in my lifetime. If I'm in a GT based universe then telling Mr Popo to be on the lookout for any imps raiding the place would be enough to ward off Baby.
So I wouldn't focus on becoming a fighting god myself so much as eliminating easy threats and macromanaging the true warriors so they'd be better prepared for enemies the butterfly effect won't let me dodge.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 15, 2017 19:32:50 GMT
You would never accomplish that. Yamcha would never ever reach that level. At least I stayed within the realm of realism. The best Yamcha would accomplish is knowing Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, & Instant Transmission and having achieved an Ultimate form from Old Kai. I think this at best would put him in the realm of Super Saiyan Goku on Namek and maybe with the Kaio-ken he could pump that up to the level of Piccolo when he fought against Cell. In my scenario, I think I got him up to the highest he'd get and even by making it to where the Androids and Cell never came to fruition, Goku and Gohan would still surpass him by far come Buu Saga. Then when Beerus woke up much later after Goku and Gohan produced enough offspring to allow a Super Saiyan God Ritual to take place, the Saiyans would outclass him by leaps and bounds. The interesting things is that by making it to where there is no Vegeta, no Androids, no Cell, and Buu stays stuck in his ball that the Saiyans that do exist would actually be far stronger since as Yamcha, I'd tip the odds in everyone's favor for benefiting the most. Come the ToP (which would take place 15-20 years after it does in Super), there would be 4 Saiyans that have Ultimate God Forms (Goku, Gohan, Goten, & Pan), which I would assume would allow the Ultimate form to harness the power of a SSJG. Ahh but you are forgetting the most hax power within DBZ. Dragon Balls. Especially the Super Dragon Balls. Of course by living through the original DB and DBZ storylines, I will never reach some levels though if I play my cards right, I will become very powerful. For starters, knowing many techniques and never neglecting training will definitely make me stay ahead a vast majority of characters in the original dragon ball. Training underneath Master Roshi before the 21st budokai, fighting against the red ribbon army, and alot more will aid me tremendously. And since I already know the storyline, you bet your behind I will cheat via dragon balls to gain a tremendous edge (immortality with eternal youth, augmented training gains, zenkai-like powers, possible SSJ forms akin to DB Online, etc). As for DBZ I will try to learn the more advanced techniques (like the kaioken) and simply train and go through various potential unlocks to be the best I can be. And if I have my dragon ball hax powers, my victory will almost be guaranteed for each fight though I can still lose if I become too overconfident. The likes of Captain Ginyu, Cell, and Buu are perfect examples. And as for super, the super dragon balls will once again aid me and will become the first human to wield god ki. Ha, Xeno Yamcha will be the first Yamcha in all of dragon ball spinoffs to become a god. I will cry with joy, and know it is possible. But ultimately the dragon balls will be my key for ultimate power. Without those, I know I could surpass namek saga Frieza using normal methods and some otherworld training, but I will hit a unbreakable plateau. Cyborg enhancements and refining the kaioken into higher but safer multipliers will have to be the next step to tangle with the likes of Seventeen, with more potential unlocking to maybe hit lower Perfect Cell tier class. But that will be it unfortunately. After that, only fusion will allow me to ascend into higher tier classes. I was wondering if you'd mention the Super Dragon Balls. In mine, I really didn't abuse them, but I guess to be honest once they became available, I would abuse them to wish to become a perfect replica of my RP character, Kor Saiyajinkami, with the exception that I'd keep my own memories and personality. I would make sure that this wish would include obtaining his possessions too, which means I'd gain access to Multiverse traveling tech. I had wanted to include that in mine, but I decided against it probably because I wanted to figure out how things would play out with the other Z Fighters if I just stayed as Ultimate Yamcha who knew Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, & Instant Transmission in addition to the techniques Yamcha knows in the main story. Speaking of my long ass story of how things would go up until the ToP (if I avoided using the Super Dragon Balls), what do you think of it? Does it sound like things would happen the way I imagined if I did the things I said I'd do as Yamcha?
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 15, 2017 19:43:10 GMT
If it was me I'd do the bare minimum to stay alive. Make sure Gero is dies during the Red Ribbon Saga, destroy Raditz' scouter so Vegeta and Frieza never learn about the dragon balls, wish up Buu's pod and hide it in a capsule or the RoSAT. If I got to make a wish to Shenron early on I'd wish to return to this world, or failing that to have the Z-Sword teleported to me or the other way round. The power unlock would be useful if any villains did come to Earth who I couldn't get Goku and Gohan levelled enough to fight. Dabura is the only significant enemy I'd be unable to avoid, and a Solar flare kienzan barrage combination would make short work of him. I'm not worried about Beerus since if there isn't a Super Saiyan God the Oracle fish won't have seen a SSG, therefore Beerus won't wake up or come to Earth in my lifetime. If I'm in a GT based universe then telling Mr Popo to be on the lookout for any imps raiding the place would be enough to ward off Baby. So I wouldn't focus on becoming a fighting god myself so much as eliminating easy threats and macromanaging the true warriors so they'd be better prepared for enemies the butterfly effect won't let me dodge. I like how you'd play yours out, but I still see Vegeta and Nappa coming to Earth. Remember the reason Raditz appeared was because Vegeta and Nappa needed a 4th Saiyan to help them conquer a planet for Frieza that would've been too difficult for just Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz. If Raditz never returned, they might come to retrieve Goku themselves and do a little bit of damage control. They'd probably be curious how Kakarot could be stronger than his older brother. So if Nappa and Vegeta still came to Earth, it's still likely events could play out to allow there to be enough Saiyans in one place to perform a God Ritual. Would you make sure that Nappa and Vegeta were killed? Also even if you did that, enough Saiyans could still come to be for it to happen. In mine, I foresaw it happening if/when Goku had a 3rd child and Gohan had a 2nd child. Yes, it would probably be a good 10-15 years later than it happens in Super, but it could still happen. Anyways enough of yours, what do you think of mine?
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Post by Symbiotic on Jun 15, 2017 20:01:25 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami: They might, I'd destroy Raditz' scouter after he got hit by the Makansappo so Vegeta and Nappa could laugh at how he got beaten by weaklings, and be sure Kakarot wouldn't be helpful to them. Tbh I'd push the others to train anyway and ask Kami to take Goku to Yemma like in your example just in case. For my plan overall I'd share as much information as possible with Kami for better coordination and contingencies. I'd definitely do my best to make sure both Saiyans died. I don't see that many extra kids being born but if they are and Beerus does awaken, then I can tell them how to do the SSG ritual, give him a good fight and then the rest of Super continues without Golden Frieza, Majin Buu or the Androids. Your plan is better than mine, you cover all bases possible. A few things you plan for don't necessarily happen unless you also attempt to minimise your changes, but I get that it's hard to plan for the butterfly effects and its easier to prepare for events when you know they'll happen.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 15, 2017 20:31:21 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami : They might, I'd destroy Raditz' scouter after he got hit by the Makansappo so Vegeta and Nappa could laugh at how he got beaten by weaklings, and be sure Kakarot wouldn't be helpful to them. Tbh I'd push the others to train anyway and ask Kami to take Goku to Yemma like in your example just in case. For my plan overall I'd share as much information as possible with Kami for better coordination and contingencies. I'd definitely do my best to make sure both Saiyans died. I don't see that many extra kids being born but if they are and Beerus does awaken, then I can tell them how to do the SSG ritual, give him a good fight and then the rest of Super continues without Golden Frieza, Majin Buu or the Androids. Your plan is better than mine, you cover all bases possible. A few things you plan for don't necessarily happen unless you also attempt to minimise your changes, but I get that it's hard to plan for the butterfly effects and its easier to prepare for events when you know they'll happen. Thanks. I'm kinda curious how your DBS would work out. Like mine, you'd have Goten at 22-27 years old and Pan at 10-15 by the U6 v U7 Tourney. Like mine you'd also have no Vegeta, Trunks, or Uub. So how do you think your version of DBS would play out after the fight with Beerus?
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Post by Xeno Black on Jun 15, 2017 21:17:20 GMT
Ahh but you are forgetting the most hax power within DBZ. Dragon Balls. Especially the Super Dragon Balls. Of course by living through the original DB and DBZ storylines, I will never reach some levels though if I play my cards right, I will become very powerful. For starters, knowing many techniques and never neglecting training will definitely make me stay ahead a vast majority of characters in the original dragon ball. Training underneath Master Roshi before the 21st budokai, fighting against the red ribbon army, and alot more will aid me tremendously. And since I already know the storyline, you bet your behind I will cheat via dragon balls to gain a tremendous edge (immortality with eternal youth, augmented training gains, zenkai-like powers, possible SSJ forms akin to DB Online, etc). As for DBZ I will try to learn the more advanced techniques (like the kaioken) and simply train and go through various potential unlocks to be the best I can be. And if I have my dragon ball hax powers, my victory will almost be guaranteed for each fight though I can still lose if I become too overconfident. The likes of Captain Ginyu, Cell, and Buu are perfect examples. And as for super, the super dragon balls will once again aid me and will become the first human to wield god ki. Ha, Xeno Yamcha will be the first Yamcha in all of dragon ball spinoffs to become a god. I will cry with joy, and know it is possible. But ultimately the dragon balls will be my key for ultimate power. Without those, I know I could surpass namek saga Frieza using normal methods and some otherworld training, but I will hit a unbreakable plateau. Cyborg enhancements and refining the kaioken into higher but safer multipliers will have to be the next step to tangle with the likes of Seventeen, with more potential unlocking to maybe hit lower Perfect Cell tier class. But that will be it unfortunately. After that, only fusion will allow me to ascend into higher tier classes. I was wondering if you'd mention the Super Dragon Balls. In mine, I really didn't abuse them, but I guess to be honest once they became available, I would abuse them to wish to become a perfect replica of my RP character, Kor Saiyajinkami, with the exception that I'd keep my own memories and personality. I would make sure that this wish would include obtaining his possessions too, which means I'd gain access to Multiverse traveling tech. I had wanted to include that in mine, but I decided against it probably because I wanted to figure out how things would play out with the other Z Fighters if I just stayed as Ultimate Yamcha who knew Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, & Instant Transmission in addition to the techniques Yamcha knows in the main story. Speaking of my long ass story of how things would go up until the ToP (if I avoided using the Super Dragon Balls), what do you think of it? Does it sound like things would happen the way I imagined if I did the things I said I'd do as Yamcha? Your plausible scenario does sound good besides one loophole; Beerus's initial arrival after Buu. Even if there was no Vegeta, the oracle fish might still stay true to canon and claim that a super saiyan god will be born at that period. If this does happen and Beerus truly does come to Earth, you guys may not survive unless you are able to entertain him and sustain a enormous amount of food and pudding for him. But if you do anger him, your chances will be slim unless you have a backup plan that will enable your survival via namekian dragon balls. At this point, nobody is strong enough to challenge him, let alone defeat him.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 15, 2017 21:41:37 GMT
I was wondering if you'd mention the Super Dragon Balls. In mine, I really didn't abuse them, but I guess to be honest once they became available, I would abuse them to wish to become a perfect replica of my RP character, Kor Saiyajinkami, with the exception that I'd keep my own memories and personality. I would make sure that this wish would include obtaining his possessions too, which means I'd gain access to Multiverse traveling tech. I had wanted to include that in mine, but I decided against it probably because I wanted to figure out how things would play out with the other Z Fighters if I just stayed as Ultimate Yamcha who knew Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, & Instant Transmission in addition to the techniques Yamcha knows in the main story. Speaking of my long ass story of how things would go up until the ToP (if I avoided using the Super Dragon Balls), what do you think of it? Does it sound like things would happen the way I imagined if I did the things I said I'd do as Yamcha? Your plausible scenario does sound good besides one loophole; Beerus's initial arrival after Buu. Even if there was no Vegeta, the oracle fish might still stay true to canon and claim that a super saiyan god will be born at that period. If this does happen and Beerus truly does come to Earth, you guys may not survive unless you are able to entertain him and sustain a enormous amount of food and pudding for him. But if you do anger him, your chances will be slim unless you have a backup plan that will enable your survival via namekian dragon balls. At this point, nobody is strong enough to challenge him, let alone defeat him. No, because the Oracle Fish's prophecies are true visions of the future. If the future didn't produce a SSJG at that time then he wouldn't foresee such a future. Now seeing as in my scenario, Goku produces a 3rd child and Gohan a 2nd child, then I still think the Oracle Fish would make the prophecy, but instead it would be predicted that the SSJG would appear at such a later time. Instead of predicting the SSJG would appear in 39 years, the Oracle Fish would predict it somewhere between 50 and 55 years in the future. Beerus therefore would only wake up then.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jun 15, 2017 21:46:26 GMT
Your plausible scenario does sound good besides one loophole; Beerus's initial arrival after Buu. Even if there was no Vegeta, the oracle fish might still stay true to canon and claim that a super saiyan god will be born at that period. If this does happen and Beerus truly does come to Earth, you guys may not survive unless you are able to entertain him and sustain a enormous amount of food and pudding for him. But if you do anger him, your chances will be slim unless you have a backup plan that will enable your survival via namekian dragon balls. At this point, nobody is strong enough to challenge him, let alone defeat him. No, because the Oracle Fish's prophecies are true visions of the future. If the future didn't produce a SSJG at that time then he wouldn't foresee such a future. Now seeing as in my scenario, Goku produces a 3rd child and Gohan a 2nd child, then I still think the Oracle Fish would make the prophecy, but instead it would be predicted that the SSJG would appear at such a later time. Instead of predicting the SSJG would appear in 39 years, the Oracle Fish would predict it somewhere between 50 and 55 years in the future. Beerus therefore would only wake up then. Fair enough, unless the fish got the dates wrong and still made Beerus came in early. That little guy may be feed two times a day instead of three, thus causing the confusion. XD What about GT in your universe? How do you see the events playing out if you were Yamcha?
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 15, 2017 22:20:29 GMT
No, because the Oracle Fish's prophecies are true visions of the future. If the future didn't produce a SSJG at that time then he wouldn't foresee such a future. Now seeing as in my scenario, Goku produces a 3rd child and Gohan a 2nd child, then I still think the Oracle Fish would make the prophecy, but instead it would be predicted that the SSJG would appear at such a later time. Instead of predicting the SSJG would appear in 39 years, the Oracle Fish would predict it somewhere between 50 and 55 years in the future. Beerus therefore would only wake up then. Fair enough, unless the fish got the dates wrong and still made Beerus came in early. That little guy may be feed two times a day instead of three, thus causing the confusion. XD What about GT in your universe? How do you see the events playing out if you were Yamcha? The Oracle Fish wouldn't get the dates wrong when he originally foretold the prophecy and that would be when Beerus would've set the alarm bomb to wake him up at. GT isn't canon and Reborn as Yamcha covers the canon. If we were covering non-canon stuff too then, I would've had King Kai teach everyone Instant Transmission and never needed to detour to Yardrat on the way back home from Namek.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jun 16, 2017 0:30:08 GMT
Fair enough, unless the fish got the dates wrong and still made Beerus came in early. That little guy may be feed two times a day instead of three, thus causing the confusion. XD What about GT in your universe? How do you see the events playing out if you were Yamcha? The Oracle Fish wouldn't get the dates wrong when he originally foretold the prophecy and that would be when Beerus would've set the alarm bomb to wake him up at. GT isn't canon and Reborn as Yamcha covers the canon. If we were covering non-canon stuff too then, I would've had King Kai teach everyone Instant Transmission and never needed to detour to Yardrat on the way back home from Namek. One last thing; the spirit bomb. Who will learn it and if you decide to learn it, do you think you will be pure of heart enough to use it?
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 16, 2017 6:32:08 GMT
The Oracle Fish wouldn't get the dates wrong when he originally foretold the prophecy and that would be when Beerus would've set the alarm bomb to wake him up at. GT isn't canon and Reborn as Yamcha covers the canon. If we were covering non-canon stuff too then, I would've had King Kai teach everyone Instant Transmission and never needed to detour to Yardrat on the way back home from Namek. One last thing; the spirit bomb. Who will learn it and if you decide to learn it, do you think you will be pure of heart enough to use it? Good point. Even if I couldn't learn it, the Kaio-ken and Instant Transmission along with the Ultimate form would be fine enough. Really it wouldn't need to be learned by more than 1 or 2 people. Goku and Gohan would definitely be pure enough of heart to learn it. Nail would probably also be pure enough of heart to learn it once we arrived on Namek and decided to teach him Kaio-ken and Spirit Bomb.
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Post by Symbiotic on Jun 16, 2017 8:49:26 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami : They might, I'd destroy Raditz' scouter after he got hit by the Makansappo so Vegeta and Nappa could laugh at how he got beaten by weaklings, and be sure Kakarot wouldn't be helpful to them. Tbh I'd push the others to train anyway and ask Kami to take Goku to Yemma like in your example just in case. For my plan overall I'd share as much information as possible with Kami for better coordination and contingencies. I'd definitely do my best to make sure both Saiyans died. I don't see that many extra kids being born but if they are and Beerus does awaken, then I can tell them how to do the SSG ritual, give him a good fight and then the rest of Super continues without Golden Frieza, Majin Buu or the Androids. Your plan is better than mine, you cover all bases possible. A few things you plan for don't necessarily happen unless you also attempt to minimise your changes, but I get that it's hard to plan for the butterfly effects and its easier to prepare for events when you know they'll happen. Thanks. I'm kinda curious how your DBS would work out. Like mine, you'd have Goten at 22-27 years old and Pan at 10-15 by the U6 v U7 Tourney. Like mine you'd also have no Vegeta, Trunks, or Uub. So how do you think your version of DBS would play out after the fight with Beerus? I haven't actually watched Super so I can't go into too much detail. I'd nominate Goku to be our first fighter in the tournament and watch him clear every opponent but Hit. If fate truly is out to get me Zeno will announce the inter-universal tournament afterwards. Then I'll have to free Buu from his prison and convince him to fight for our team in exchange for candy. I'd have no choice but to get Frieza and have him train with someone competent in the RoSAT to achieve his Golden form and iron out its weakness. Knowing that the Potara have an hour limit (*grumble*) I'd see if I could get someone(Tien) to fuse with me to make up for #17's loss. If god ki can be unlocked by anyone with sufficient training from Whis then I'd ask if the rest of the fighters could give it a shot. Without Vegeta we may not do as well but with everyone else's abilities honed we should stand a good chance of surviving.
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