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Post by Happi on May 31, 2021 18:10:03 GMT
A Universe 6 Special can only be better than the first (Seriously what was the goddamn point of the first Universe 6 special!?) but it feels way waaaayyyyy too late to try and develop the OC girls of that universe. Can't tell if this is a serious question. Although to answer, it was mostly just to rewrite the ending of the movie to showcase what happens after Gohan died. Give or take it could've been done in fewer pages but you have to remember that this was DBM over a decade ago and Gogeta Jr needed as much time he can get to draw. Although now today, they surely won't make a mistake like that again-- *sees U9 special everyone has been waiting for eagerly* I stand corrected. We need a thread about the whole U6, not just the girls. This universe gets overlooked because of that certain special. To me, the girls origins & the history of Bojack gang & their war with the frost demons is more interesting than Bra's "tormented" past, her daddy's issue, & her so called "redemption". That is true. I'll probably just dub the thread "U6 Commentary/Theorizing" than so it can last as long it needs too.
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Post by godjacob on May 31, 2021 18:17:08 GMT
A Universe 6 Special can only be better than the first (Seriously what was the goddamn point of the first Universe 6 special!?) but it feels way waaaayyyyy too late to try and develop the OC girls of that universe. Can't tell if this is a serious question. Although to answer, it was mostly just to rewrite the ending of the movie to showcase what happens after Gohan died. Give or take it could've been done in fewer pages but you have to remember that this was DBM over a decade ago and Gogeta Jr needed as much time he can get to draw. Although now today, they surely won't make a mistake like that again-- *sees U9 special everyone has been waiting for eagerly* I stand corrected. We need a thread about the whole U6, not just the girls. This universe gets overlooked because of that certain special. To me, the girls origins & the history of Bojack gang & their war with the frost demons is more interesting than Bra's "tormented" past, her daddy's issue, & her so called "redemption". That is true. I'll probably just dub the thread "U6 Commentary/Theorizing" than so it can last as long it needs too. You are correct, any artist is gonna need time to work on this especially given the free to view nature. Which only makes the decision of that Universe 6 Special even more baffling. "Hey, want to guess what happens to the Z-Fighters in a timeline where Bojack wins?" "Uh, I guess he kills them?" "Right now let's spend a whole special showing you in detail their deaths and nothing else!" It is such a waste of time/manpower.
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Post by عمار on May 31, 2021 18:58:29 GMT
You are correct, any artist is gonna need time to work on this especially given the free to view nature. Which only makes the decision of that Universe 6 Special even more baffling. "Hey, want to guess what happens to the Z-Fighters in a timeline where Bojack wins?" "Uh, I guess he kills them?" "Right now let's spend a whole special showing you in detail their deaths and nothing else!" It is such a waste of time/manpower. Aren't most of the specials like that though? XD
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Post by godjacob on May 31, 2021 19:01:59 GMT
You are correct, any artist is gonna need time to work on this especially given the free to view nature. Which only makes the decision of that Universe 6 Special even more baffling. "Hey, want to guess what happens to the Z-Fighters in a timeline where Bojack wins?" "Uh, I guess he kills them?" "Right now let's spend a whole special showing you in detail their deaths and nothing else!" It is such a waste of time/manpower. Aren't most of the specials like that though? XD YES! The specials could be interesting if they focused on literally anything but the "well duh" aspects of their world. Show how Bojack deals with Babidi/Dabura, show how the U6 Girls factor into...anything. U4 Buu is probably the best special cause it breaks the stock formula.
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Post by Axalon on May 31, 2021 19:20:49 GMT
Aren't most of the specials like that though? XD YES! The specials could be interesting if they focused on literally anything but the "well duh" aspects of their world. Show how Bojack deals with Babidi/Dabura, show how the U6 Girls factor into...anything. U4 Buu is probably the best special cause it breaks the stock formula. If the latest Broly special was anything to go by, then "well duh" might be the safest route to take. Otherwise we get nonsense like Broly surviving black holes and the dumbest Buu to ever exist.
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Post by godjacob on May 31, 2021 19:26:25 GMT
YES! The specials could be interesting if they focused on literally anything but the "well duh" aspects of their world. Show how Bojack deals with Babidi/Dabura, show how the U6 Girls factor into...anything. U4 Buu is probably the best special cause it breaks the stock formula. If the latest Broly special was anything to go by, then "well duh" might be the safest route to take. Otherwise we get nonsense like Broly surviving black holes and the dumbest Buu to ever exist. Honestly with the exception for how he won, I would've counted U20 special as a "well duh" special, since it only focuses on Broly killing the Z-Fighters. We don't see what happens next, we don't even see how he gets frozen (Which is like, the one thing you think a special on Broly would show)
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Post by عمار on May 31, 2021 19:27:18 GMT
YES! The specials could be interesting if they focused on literally anything but the "well duh" aspects of their world. Show how Bojack deals with Babidi/Dabura, show how the U6 Girls factor into...anything. U4 Buu is probably the best special cause it breaks the stock formula. I think don't think Bojack cross road with Babidi. Salagir mentioned what happened to Babidi where there no "strong warriors": Q. Did the Kaioshin kill Babidi in U8? Babidi should have been capable to turn Ginyu, Coola, and Freeza into Majin slaves if they ever met in U8.
Salagir: .....Well, first no, because the kaioshins did that in U1 & U10. I think my officially story for Babidi in U8 & the others that in universes where we don't have strong warriors, he could not open Buu's "ball". Because he need energy to revive that ball. And just like in the special where you see future Gohan fighting him. There's no SSJ2 around, so there's no good energy, so there's no Buu. So, in U8 Babadi is opening the ball & Buu is dead. So, too bad! 😃 (44:54 min - part 2) But I got what you're saying. While I'm curious to see how a certain bad guy beat the Z-fighters in his universe, I can also see that it is boring for others. That's why I think a special about the history of Bojack gang will be interesting. you know what will also be interesting? U17 special about Cell vs Bojack gang! But guess what Salagir said when I asked him about it on Instagram: 1. U17 special Bojack vs. Cell?
Salagir: No, there won't be, I don't think it will be very interesting. But if someone got a very good idea there will be, sure. (1:07:37 min)
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Post by Axalon on May 31, 2021 19:28:15 GMT
If the latest Broly special was anything to go by, then "well duh" might be the safest route to take. Otherwise we get nonsense like Broly surviving black holes and the dumbest Buu to ever exist. Honestly with the exception for how he won, I would've counted U20 special as a "well duh" special, since it only focuses on Broly killing the Z-Fighters. We don't see what happens next, we don't even see how he gets frozen (Which is like, the one thing you think a special on Broly would show) Well he just destroys everything and stops moving and freezes over, silly!
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Post by godjacob on May 31, 2021 19:31:28 GMT
YES! The specials could be interesting if they focused on literally anything but the "well duh" aspects of their world. Show how Bojack deals with Babidi/Dabura, show how the U6 Girls factor into...anything. U4 Buu is probably the best special cause it breaks the stock formula. I think don't think Bojack cross road with Babidi. Salagir mentioned what happened to Babidi where there no "strong warriors": Q. Did the Kaioshin kill Babidi in U8? Babidi should have been capable to turn Ginyu, Coola, and Freeza into Majin slaves if they ever met in U8.
Salagir: .....Well, first no, because the kaioshins did that in U1 & U10. I think my officially story for Babidi in U8 & the others that in universes where we don't have strong warriors, he could not open Buu's "ball". Because he need energy to revive that ball. And just like in the special where you see future Gohan fighting him. There's no SSJ2 around, so there's no good energy, so there's no Buu. So, in U8 Babadi is opening the ball & Buu is dead. So, too bad! 😃 (44:54 min - part 2) But I got what you're saying. While I'm curious to see how a certain bad guy beat the Z-fighters in his universe, I can also see that it is boring for others. That's I think a special about the history of Bojack gang will be interesting. you what will also be interesting? U17 special about Cell vs Bojack gang! But guess what Salagir said when I asked him about it on Instagram: 1. U17 special Bojack vs. Cell?
Salagir: No, there won't be, I don't think it will be very interesting. But if someone got a very good idea there will be, sure. (1:07:37 min) That doesn't even make sense, BOJACK IS A STRONG WARRIOR! His gang hell are even Ascended Saiyan tier. Surely they would be tempting prizes to free Buu, heck it was the Gohan/Cell fight that allegedly drew Babidi to Earth to begin with, and the Bojack events take place after that.
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Post by Axalon on May 31, 2021 19:42:31 GMT
I think don't think Bojack cross road with Babidi. Salagir mentioned what happened to Babidi where there no "strong warriors": But I got what you're saying. While I'm curious to see how a certain bad guy beat the Z-fighters in his universe, I can also see that it is boring for others. That's I think a special about the history of Bojack gang will be interesting. you what will also be interesting? U17 special about Cell vs Bojack gang! But guess what Salagir said when I asked him about it on Instagram: That doesn't even make sense, BOJACK IS A STRONG WARRIOR! His gang hell are even Ascended Saiyan tier. Surely they would be a tempting prizes to free Buu, heck it was the Gohan/Cell fight that allegedly drew Babidi to Earth to begin with, and the Bojack events take place after that. Yeah Bojack alone requires a SS2 to defeat. He'd surely be a good prize for energy to awaken Buu, let alone his gang.
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Post by عمار on May 31, 2021 19:46:59 GMT
That doesn't even make sense, BOJACK IS A STRONG WARRIOR! His gang hell are even Ascended Saiyan tier. Surely they would be a tempting prizes to free Buu, heck it was the Gohan/Cell fight that allegedly drew Babidi to Earth to begin with, and the Bojack events take place after that. I think if you ask Salagir, he will say "Bojack is not a SSJ2 tier" but You know? That's actually will be a good question to ask him. If watch the stream where he answered question about U8 Babidi, you will see that it took him a couple of seconds to make an "excuse" of why Babidi didn't take control of the frost demons. XD
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Post by godjacob on May 31, 2021 19:51:33 GMT
That doesn't even make sense, BOJACK IS A STRONG WARRIOR! His gang hell are even Ascended Saiyan tier. Surely they would be a tempting prizes to free Buu, heck it was the Gohan/Cell fight that allegedly drew Babidi to Earth to begin with, and the Bojack events take place after that. I think if you ask Salagir, he will say "Bojack is not a SSJ2 tier" but You know? That's actually will be a good question to ask him. If watch the stream where he answered question about U8 Babidi, you will see that it took him a couple of seconds to make an "excuse" of why Babidi didn't take control of the frost demons. XD Honestly the most interesting aspect of these villain win scenarios is how the villains deal with competition of other villains or other obstacles in their universe after beating the heroes. The fallout after the "well duh" expected outcome of a villain wins POV. And it seems Salagir's answer is "don't think about it" which is disappointingly dull. So I suppose if you want to save a question from me for the next stream, it would be "Why are Bojack and his gang not tempting for Babidi to try and steal energy from in Universe 6?"
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Post by Happi on May 31, 2021 20:28:59 GMT
That doesn't even make sense, BOJACK IS A STRONG WARRIOR! His gang hell are even Ascended Saiyan tier. Surely they would be a tempting prizes to free Buu, heck it was the Gohan/Cell fight that allegedly drew Babidi to Earth to begin with, and the Bojack events take place after that. I think if you ask Salagir, he will say "Bojack is not a SSJ2 tier" but You know? That's actually will be a good question to ask him. If watch the stream where he answered question about U8 Babidi, you will see that it took him a couple of seconds to make an "excuse" of why Babidi didn't take control of the frost demons. XD I mean, Salagir didn't make DB tbf. Although I remember reading a reddit thread about this and someone brought it up and said-- "Babiddi was hiding under the radar, so brainwashing the dictators of the universe wouldn't be staying discreet". Which makes perfect & logical sense. On the note about taking or majinizing other villains for their energy. I may be wrong about this but the midget can't specifically track people with his crystal ball unless he knows the location. He may have never found people like Bojack, Cell, etc in the cosmos even if he wanted too.
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Post by Son Pan on May 31, 2021 21:12:01 GMT
YES! The specials could be interesting if they focused on literally anything but the "well duh" aspects of their world. Show how Bojack deals with Babidi/Dabura, show how the U6 Girls factor into...anything. U4 Buu is probably the best special cause it breaks the stock formula. I think don't think Bojack cross road with Babidi. Salagir mentioned what happened to Babidi where there no "strong warriors": Q. Did the Kaioshin kill Babidi in U8? Babidi should have been capable to turn Ginyu, Coola, and Freeza into Majin slaves if they ever met in U8.
Salagir: .....Well, first no, because the kaioshins did that in U1 & U10. I think my officially story for Babidi in U8 & the others that in universes where we don't have strong warriors, he could not open Buu's "ball". Because he need energy to revive that ball. And just like in the special where you see future Gohan fighting him. There's no SSJ2 around, so there's no good energy, so there's no Buu. So, in U8 Babadi is opening the ball & Buu is dead. So, too bad! 😃 (44:54 min - part 2) But I got what you're saying. While I'm curious to see how a certain bad guy beat the Z-fighters in his universe, I can also see that it is boring for others. That's I think a special about the history of Bojack gang will be interesting. you what will also be interesting? U17 special about Cell vs Bojack gang! But guess what Salagir said when I asked him about it on Instagram: 1. U17 special Bojack vs. Cell?
Salagir: No, there won't be, I don't think it will be very interesting. But if someone got a very good idea there will be, sure. (1:07:37 min) It really sounds like he just didn’t think about how Babidi would factor into U6 and U8 to be honest. I say that because The Future Majin Attack showed Babidi can use his own minions to fuel Buu’s shell and if Babidi was truly desperate for energy he would take it from his minions.
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Post by Axalon on May 31, 2021 21:13:35 GMT
I think don't think Bojack cross road with Babidi. Salagir mentioned what happened to Babidi where there no "strong warriors": But I got what you're saying. While I'm curious to see how a certain bad guy beat the Z-fighters in his universe, I can also see that it is boring for others. That's I think a special about the history of Bojack gang will be interesting. you what will also be interesting? U17 special about Cell vs Bojack gang! But guess what Salagir said when I asked him about it on Instagram: It really sounds like he just didn’t think about how Babidi would factor into U6 and U8 to be honest. I say that because The Future Majin Attack showed Babidi can use his own minions to fuel Buu’s shell and if Babidi was truly desperate for energy he would take it from his minions. Yeah he could just drain Dabura, let him rest up, then keep draining him/resting him until Buu woke up. It honestly wouldn't have taken very long to wake Buu up at all in that case.
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Post by عمار on Jun 1, 2021 9:47:40 GMT
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Post by Jason9000 on Jun 1, 2021 13:27:34 GMT
Well you already complied the quotes for the questions we asked in the last stream. The time stamps aren’t that important since you already quoted everything and I doubt anyone is going to be screaming for the exact minute if we use it in future debates. Just save yourself the trouble and don’t bother. You already did it for this stream once. There’s no point in doing this again.
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Post by عمار on Jun 1, 2021 14:19:57 GMT
Well you already complied the quotes for the questions we asked in the last stream. The time stamps aren’t that important since you already quoted everything and I doubt anyone is going to be screaming for the exact minute if we use it in future debates. Just save yourself the trouble and don’t bother. You already did it for this stream once. There’s no point in doing this again. Yeah, but some people do want to watch the questions answered by Salagir himself. I think I did download the original videos, I may just upload them on youtube & be done with it.
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Post by godjacob on Jun 1, 2021 18:05:34 GMT
I mean I feel quoting us under the relevant quotes already got me largely what I needed. I don't think you should drive yourself insane trying to reedit this already big undertaking.
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Post by Happi on Jun 3, 2021 10:57:31 GMT
I reccomend just to add to edit your post and say, "all of these answers may or may not be shifted by 3 minutes on the stream(s) as it got edited the day after I posted" at the top. Hella easier.
Also I second what everyone else here has said.
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