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Post by godjacob on Jun 1, 2021 18:21:30 GMT
Except I feel you could easily, because in DB unless you are a specialized fighter like Burter stats correlate with power in every sense. Strength, speed, durability etc. All of these go up the stronger you are so Broly's power increasing constantly means he becomes harder to take down as his endurance and durability rises with his power. While I personally don't like the "lol power rises bro" aspect of Broly and the misconception of the origin; but it is a core aspect of the perception of the character (And I do appreciate in DBS Broly we see there is a limit to this when Gogeta entered the picture). I just feel you can't really replace that, and if I had to choose between his power rising or being invincible I'll pick the latter. Iirc, Goku's speed outpaced his general power level during the Ginyu stuff. But... not important. Broly's power increasing would mean it would become harder to beat him as he gets stronger and consequently more durable to the attacks that were previously on his level, yeah. But he doesn't usually seem to increase in power quickly enough for that to be too much of a thing. Vegetto's Big Bang Attack could've ended Broly if it was just that. Or his Final Dragon Flash. Having Broly be so durable that he's practically invincible to anything not far far beyond him, like a star or black hole, works just as good as saying that he's invincible. I'm saying that you could have DBM use that explanation, and nothing would be lost. Stuff would be lost (whether you like that stuff or not) if Broly only had constantly rising power. Also I'm not sure I was clear. When I was saying 'just' I meant 'just durable and not invincible', not 'just durable and not with constantly rising power'. Burter was the example here (Who like Dyspo is one of two specialized speed fighters we get in the series). And how quickly Broly increases (And the Berserker/Legendary Supe Saiyan form, in geneal) has lagely been to the writer's digression. LjSS Broly's power seemed to spike to "Stronge than whoever he is fighting" but doesn't seem to incease beyond the one line of dialogue in the original film. Super Broly's power & technique gradually improves from weaker than Base Vegeta to stronger than his SS forms (Though overwhelmed by SSG Vegeta and needing Wrath to get the edge back). When he finally goes SS due to Frieza, he is more powerful than Blue Goku & Vegeta though struggles with Gogeta's SS form till his power spikes to its Legendary/Berserker state, but seems to cap at above SS Gogeta as once he turns Blue Broly is beaten and unable to even attempt to close the gap. Kale seems to spite past blue in both the anime & manga but then in he anime controlled form or the manga's just getting weaker (Or "too simplisitc and out manuvered") and drop in performance a bit. DBM Broly especially seems to be a case of "just doubling up every minute or so" with no cap on it, making him the easiest (And wonkiest) of the Broly character to this point. I think regardless you could justify Vegito not just blasting Broly to paste too early, given that Vegito wouldn't even do that given his character. He'd want Broly to test and push him for the sake of a good fight, that is the justification you need to let Broly "catch up" and get durable enough to avoid being turned to paste page 3. I think you get the same result regardless. Adding actual invincibility or "super saiyan" durability as a default feature to a form that already has ever growing power just seems to. And I think if it was just high durability then you have the issue of Broly being the bulkiest ragdoll to stronger characters, not able to be hurt but not able to threaten them either. |
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Post by Son Pan on Jun 2, 2021 0:31:21 GMT
Except I feel you could easily, because in DB unless you are a specialized fighter like Burter stats correlate with power in every sense. Strength, speed, durability etc. All of these go up the stronger you are so Broly's power increasing constantly means he becomes harder to take down as his endurance and durability rises with his power. While I personally don't like the "lol power rises bro" aspect of Broly and the misconception of the origin; but it is a core aspect of the perception of the character (And I do appreciate in DBS Broly we see there is a limit to this when Gogeta entered the picture). I just feel you can't really replace that, and if I had to choose between his power rising or being invincible I'll pick the latter. Iirc, Goku's speed outpaced his general power level during the Ginyu stuff. But... not important. Broly's power increasing would mean it would become harder to beat him as he gets stronger and consequently more durable to the attacks that were previously on his level, yeah. But he doesn't usually seem to increase in power quickly enough for that to be too much of a thing. Vegetto's Big Bang Attack could've ended Broly if it was just that. Or his Final Dragon Flash. Having Broly be so durable that he's practically invincible to anything not far far beyond him, like a star or black hole, works just as good as saying that he's invincible. I'm saying that you could have DBM use that explanation, and nothing would be lost. Stuff would be lost (whether you like that stuff or not) if Broly only had constantly rising power. Also I'm not sure I was clear. When I was saying 'just' I meant 'just durable and not invincible', not 'just durable and not with constantly rising power'. I don’t think the durability shouldn’t be too crazy. Broly shouldn’t be able tank a SS3 Vegetto’s Final Dragon Flash when his power level is only on Perfect Cell level. That is too much to write around for the story. I think durability increasing with the power could still work. It depends on the situation. Vegetto wanted a good fight, so he would intentionally not finish Broly off at the tournament to give Broly opportunities to increase his power so he could a good fight. First and second Broly specials it is is to write around how Broly wouldn’t get killed right away. The easiest one if when Broly turned LSS he would start at a higher level than our protagonists and as the fight draws out Broly gets stronger and stronger until they need to rely on the Spirit Bomb to beat him. Broly barely surviving that lined up with what we got originally. Second special Broly started off stronger than everyone else with the exception of SS2 Gohan, but that is an easy fix too. Gohan is weaker than he was seven years prior and Broly is stronger than he was during his first battle their levels would be closer and Gohan would probably have harder time killing him right away. The others would need a group ki attack to blast him into the sun. The third Broly special for U20 would need to be reworked completely though, but it kind of needs to work better. |
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