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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Sept 21, 2021 21:30:01 GMT
So was thinking about it and I’m sure this has been brought up before but for the sake of livening this place up again with how slow it’s been recently. If you could pick one special to change/tweak what one would it be?
I’ll start it off and it’s more of a change then just a tweak. Besides the obvious easy slaughter specials (Cell/Bojack and even Broly’s most recent appearance), I’d have to go with the future Majin attack special from U12,14 and 15. Not only did it have some of the worst power scaling in this entire comic, even a tired Dabura should have one shot a SSJ future Gohan, drained or not. With him possibly being a perfect Cell/SSJ2 tier villain after all.
Power level discrepancies aside that wasn’t even my worst issue with it.
If Babidi could literally drain the energy of his own slaves like he did to Dabura and just give it to Buu, why the heck wouldn’t he have done that in canon? Could just MC whoever and drain them, then wait until they recover or are healed and do it all over again. If that was the case it makes no sense why he’d have his fighters head off to gather energy. Now I understand why this was done to Dabura otherwise future Gohan would have zero chance but I still don’t buy it.
It being established in Z that pure energy is needed for the resurrection of Buu as far as I remember, I don’t know why Salagir went in this direction.
As for how I’d change it, I’m by no means a Super fan but I will say the way they handled future Babidi’s attack was much better. A future Trunks that was informed and trained by a paranoid Supreme Kai, giving him the drive and push to reach SSJ2. Them being able to combine their powers and with future Trunk’s no nonsense/get it done attitude. Shin and him should have been able to completely get the drop on and surprise Babidi and Dabura, killing them before Buu could even be brought back.
This to me makes way more sense and we could have even gotten a cool fight between the 4 of them with how close in power they were.
The ass pull that the DBM special went with. That being a Gohan that was weaker then the androids, some how killing them all because of luck and Babidis stupidy is just an odd way to go about it. Also having Dabura jobb like that just made his character look really stupid for no reason, poor dude already got smashed by a suppressed Cell in the tournament could have thrown him a little bit of a bone.
The whole thing honestly made Babidi look even more incompetent then canon, something that I didn’t think was possible until I read it.
All you’d have to explain if it was changed is why they showed up so much later in the future timeline compared to the Buu saga and that would have been a much easier explanation to get away with then what we got.
With the cyborgs having no sensible power level and the earth being basically dead at that time from their years of destruction. Could have just said that Babidi/Dabura didn’t detect any power levels that were worth their time compared to the original time they resurrected Buu in canon.
Years later after the whole Cell problem is over and Trunks returns to the future, maybe Babidi could have grown impatient and went to Earth regardless to retrieve Buus ball if he hadn't already. Or even them detecting Trunk’s new power after he returned from the past and murked the cyborgs/Cell.
Him deciding to head back to revive Buu at that time could have been a possibility and made sense.
Would have also given us a slightly more advanced SSJ2 future Trunks for the tournament with his fight with U18 Vegeta remaining relatively the same.
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Post by godjacob on Sept 22, 2021 7:08:36 GMT
U6 Special. Low hanging fruit but it is really the low point of the specials. An entirely pointless story with some ugly art that just existed to waste time till the next chapter.
Easy fix would be to make the Bojack kills everyone bit a one panel recap, since well we can guess what happens, and focus the rest of the special from the perspective of Kat's group. They feel like a pointless group who exist for some awkward fanservice, so actually telling their story and why they desire to kill Bojack would better justify their role in this story and more importantly tell us something we wouldn't already know. Might even succeed in making them sympathetic/likeable.
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Post by عمار on Sept 22, 2021 13:01:17 GMT
Let's see... U3:- The frost demons deserve more than 3 pages of being killed by Broly. - Hanasia vs Broly should've been longer than one page. And if it was up to me, I would make Broly kill her using SSJ. U12,14,15:- Future Gohan could never beat Dabura! I don't care how much weakened Dabura was! The best way to handle this fight was either to never make it in the first place or let Future Trunks unlock SSJ2 & kill Dabura & Babidi himself. - The way ch.71 ended was stupid! If 3rd form Cooler could outmatched SSJ Goku then he should NOT be effected by a freaking makankōsappō by Piccolo! I don't care how long he has been charging that thing! & to add insult to injury, Vegeta killed him with one blast. Yeah, BULLSHIT! The best way to handle was to let Goku take him on & the others to assist him. That way is more believable. U13:
- Why was the idea of using "Lamp" to transform into an ozaru given to Kakarotto? You already made him immortal & powerful enough to unlock SSJ. Let Raditz have this idea! - Raditz should've killed at least one of the Heloïts. U20: - Broly should have never been able to survive a black hole. The diversion should have happened in page 1878 where Uub didn't make it in time & Broly was able to kill "Ultra" Buu. And I think that's all of them.  |
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Post by Skarr on Sept 22, 2021 14:32:04 GMT
The above comments mentioned the ones I would change. I would also tweak U13 to have the Saiyans leave Planet Vegeta after killing Freeza because they fear Cooler or King Cold would destroy the planet from orbit. After that a timeskip to when Broly is a teenager and they send him to kill the remaining Frost Demons then the special continues the same way from there.
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Sept 22, 2021 19:16:38 GMT
All solid points, agree that any of the “slaughter” specials would have been better off if summed up in a page or two tops with the majority of the special instead being about what the character would be setting up to do next. Also some questionable last minute kills from characters that were unnecessary and way out of their power scale when there were other options that would have made more sense. Agree that Piccolo special beam cannoning a marginally stronger Raditz is much different from him somehow blowing a hole in a vastly stronger 3rd form Kold.
Wouldn’t have been the most exciting outcome but could have reversed it, have Goku secretly charging up an attack for the kill while the others distract. I mean Kold couldn’t even sense energy so wouldn’t be too hard or far fetched to pull off. Also seeing as he never gets a chance to do his IT Kamehameha against Cell in that time line, could have had him think of it earlier out of desperation and use it here to finish off Kold instead.
Another set of specials that i’v never cared much for is what we got for U11. Weird inhuman poses and #18 fan service shots aside, the fight between the cyborgs and everyone else for the remote could have been a neat idea but just wasn’t done very well in this instance.
I’m thinking a fight between the 3 early SSJs and the cyborgs could be pretty epic with the cyborgs coming out on top in most situations but for story’s sake I’d give the Saiyans a small chance just to keep it interesting. Now this all gets completely thrown out the window for one reason unfortunately, android 16. Why the hell was he even there if all he was going to do was stand around? I know he did that in canon but this was without Goku around. He literally just stood and watched #17 fight in the special.
Wasn’t his whole stick supposed to be to kill Goku? Not to mention with the power gap between him and the others at that time he would have murdered anyone of them in seconds making the struggle we watched completely pointless. I also doubt he’d just stand and watch as the others used a remote to shut him and his new friends off, he did finally jump in against first form Cell originally after all.
I would have kept things relatively the same as canon, Cell being there and all. With Vegeta and Trunks coming out of the time chamber, they then go on to face semi perfect Cell. Only this time Vegeta pulls his head out of his ass and doesn’t get completely high on his new power. Maybe because he’s reminded that he can still fight Goku after all this to test his strength.
He then proceeds to ignore his tricks and murders Cell with him never becoming complete. Meanwhile Goku and Gohan would have still gone into the chamber but with Cell dead there’s no reason for them to fight (other then an ego high Vegeta wanting to box it out with Goku and see his improvements of course). The whole ordeal with Cell giving the androids and others something to bond over, setting them up to tolerate each other and even maybe become friends like what we got in the special. Goku picks up Dende from New Namek just like in canon for a new set of dragon balls. Krillin convincing the others that the androids aren’t so bad and nothing like their future counterparts and that Cell was the true monster. They then wish #17 back along with anyone else that died after the others realize that they really weren’t all that bad. This would lead up to them also being involved and included in the Babidi debacle, not that they’d change much in the long run.
This all leading up to the death of everyone once Babidi and friends finally show up. With him not facing Cell and nothing else to really push Gohan he would have never truly broke through to SSJ2. Not to mention him not having to step up to save the world would have likely kept him even more passive then he ended up being in the canon Buu saga and he may just continue to rely on others with him not finding that faith in his own strength or self worth like he did in the Cell saga. Maybe Goku being alive could have balanced that out a little so he would have trained some but I don’t see it changing much. Them just topping out at mastered SSJ would have been pretty weak in the face of Buu, so after 7 years of training and Goku knowing that theres possibly a level above from seeing Gohans rage and out bursts in the time chamber. I’d imagine that’d be enough motivation for him to train and ascend eventually but at a much slower pace compared to what he could have accomplish in the afterlife.
I’d have Goku achieve SSJ2 with Vegeta being hot on his tail. Him either being a mastered SSJ or maybe even a fresh SSJ2 like Goku but still beneath him slightly power wise by the time the Majins show up. With Gohan lagging behind the two with a mastered SSJ form that probably wouldn’t be much different than his Cell games level.
This would make it so Majin Vegeta is still a thing. Though might have to come up with some slightly different mental reasons as to why he allowed Babidi to Majinize him but that wouldn’t be too hard to explain.
This giving him access to SSJ2 or if he recently attained the form before this, it would equalize the gap between him and Goku for their inevitable fight. With Vegeta having slightly more of an advantage compared to their canon fight because of his Majin durability and Goku not having a dead body for easier energy use to balance that out. Either way works, their fight still being the main contributor of energy for Buus resurrection. Hell you could even have a Majinized Piccolo happen too as a throw back to that old idea and as something to stress and push Gohan if need be. While the two SSJ2s fight we’d have Gohan, Shin and whoever else that’s still around up against Babidi, Dabura and his goons. Having Gohan finally tap into his rage like he did against Cell in canon to ascend to SSJ2 to hold off Dabura and it also giving him a cool moment as well.
Of course Buu still pops out, though with Gohan being an angry fresh SSJ2 and Buu masking his energy like he did in canon. I’d have Gohan not hesitate and charge him, get in some solid hits and seem like he was doing alright with Buu just tanking it all like the fat punching bag he is. Just for Buu to eventually try a little and actually kill Gohan outright. With Shin and the others there being helpless to do anything. Dabura witnesses Buus power first this time because of being sidelined earlier by an angry SSJ2 Gohan. So unlike what he stupidly did in canon he decides not to commit suicide and doesn’t insult Buu and lives.
Could go a few ways from there, Goku and Vegeta stop their fight after sensing Gohans death and then proceed to team up against Buu. Without fusion or SSJ3 they’d get murked as well though unfortunately. Could even keep Vegetas sacrifice in place if you wanted to with it obviously failing like it did originally. Point is Buu and Babidi win. With Dabura being around still he could have also inadvertently saved Babidis life by keeping Buu from turning on the him. With the typically cool headed advice that he gives the pompous wizard, could say it keeps Babidi more cautious. Making him a little more carful around Buu, otherwise I’d just see Buu outright killing Babidi eventually like in canon.
Just a side note but always thought this “what if Super Vegeta killed semi perfect Cell” theory was one of the best ways to make the OG Z Broly movie work as well, the 2nd one not so much. You could apply these “what ifs” to most DBZ movies I suppose. Easier to explain them as alternate time lines and also sets them up nicely to fit in as multiverse specials as well. Would absolutely love a slightly altered Fuison Reborn telling, have a couple of ideas on that one.
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Post by Son Pan on Sept 28, 2021 5:37:47 GMT
As many have mentioned already I would have changed the Future Majin Attack that happened in U12, U14, and U15 where Future Gohan defeats Babidi. It doesn't work. Too much time is spent trying to make the Babidi attack to occur the same time as it did in the main universe that the story has to bend itself backwards to work. It would have made more sense that Babidi came to Earth around the same time, but since Earth's population went down he decided there wasn't enough energy to revive Majin Buu. He decides to leave Earth to find another planet with a big population to try to gather energy to revive Buu and come back later to move the shell. That would explain why Babidi and Dabura didn't attack Earth the same way they did in main universe.
In universe 14 when Babidi returns to Earth he and Dabura successfully get Buu's shell and move to other planets to revive Majin Buu. In U14 Trunks never returns to his timeline and 17 and 18 continue to terrorize the Earth. In U15 Trunks returned home, but since he never trained in the time chamber and was killed by Cell there is no one to stop Babidi when he comes back to Earth to take Buu’s shell. In U14 and U15 there are no strong warriors on the side of good for the Supreme Kai to recruit and he is left powerless as Babidi removes Buu's shell. Supreme Kai has to come up with a plan to try to stop Babidi in those universes. In U12 Trunks not only returned home, but trained in the past and became strong enough to defeat the cyborgs and Cell. Trunks catches the Supreme Kai's notice and he goes to Trunks for help when Babidi returns to Earth.
Supreme Kai and Kibito ask for Trunks and Android 16's help in stopping Babidi from taking Buu off Earth and reviving him. Trunks and 16 agree to help out. The four of them lie in wait for when Babaidi's ship lands to take Buu away. We find out that the last 12-14 year Babidi and his forces found a planet with a big enough population to revive Majin Buu. The Majin Force lands on Earth where they get ambushed by Supreme Kai and the others. In this universe Supreme Kai is less cautious because he doesn't have as many allies and he is unsure if he will get another chance to stop Babidi from reviving Buu when he leaves Earth. Trunks and the others will defeat the weaker warriors. Babidi and Dabura will retreat to the ship to force the god and his allies to come into the ship so they can have a chance to drain their energy. The group reluctantly follows after Babidi.
We get a montage of the group defeating Babidi's forces in the first four stages. Thanks to 16's mechanical nature he has no energy to give to Buu. Trunks is so much stronger he can easily kill most of Babidi's subordinates, including Yakon. The fifth and final stage has Dabura fight. After three to four years of training since he came back to his timeline Trunks will be much stronger than he was at the Cell Games, but he still hasn't reached SS2 yet. He is closer to Perfect Cell's power, but is still not as strong as him, while Dabura is about as strong as Perfect Cell. It would be a good way to show us how much Trunks has improved, while creating tension, since he fighting an enemy who is stronger than him. By the time we see the fight we see Trunks and Dabura are both pretty battle worn, but Trunks is in worse shape. That would mean he has lost a good deal of energy, which went to Buu. We could even see the two of them engage in a sword fight, which could be cool. As the battle goes on it becomes obvious that Dabura will win if nothing is done. Supreme Kai use his psychic power to hold Dabura down the same way U18 Supreme Kai would do to U18 Gohan at the World Tournament. Remember he was able to hold back SS2 Gohan for a decent amount of time, so he could hold down Dabura, who is only Perfect Cell level.
Supreme Kai hopes to give Kibito time to heal Trunks, but Trunks decides to go USS. Since Dabura is frozen he doesn't have to worry about the drop in speed. He unleashes a strong attack and kills Dabura. With Dabura gone the others make to Babidi, kill him and secure Majin Buu's shell. Grateful to Trunks the Supreme Kai offers to grant him one favor. Trunks asks him to take them to New Namek. Kibito teleports them there. Trunks meets the Nameks and asks them come back to Earth to be their new Kami and make new Dragon Balls for them. An adult Dende decides to do so to honor Gohan and Krillin by watching over their home planet. We get a Future Majin Attack where Future Trunks and Android 16 get to be the heroes. Supreme Kai does Trunks a favor by taking him to Namek. Trunks not only stops Majin Buu from being revived, but gets new Dragon Balls for Earth. U12 Earth has its magic reset buttons again in case they need them.
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Post by عمار on Sept 28, 2021 10:23:42 GMT
The above comments mentioned the ones I would change. I would also tweak U13 to have the Saiyans leave Planet Vegeta after killing Freeza because they fear Cooler or King Cold would destroy the planet from orbit. After that a timeskip to when Broly is a teenager and they send him to kill the remaining Frost Demons then the special continues the same way from there. U3, Skar, not U13. 😉 |
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Post by Son Pan on Oct 1, 2021 5:01:35 GMT
The Broly won universe could have happened in U11 over U20. As an added bonus we could do away with LSS's invincibility. Universe 11 was made into the unseen timeline in the original series where the Z-fighters stopped the androids/cyborgs, but never encountered Future Cell. Right off the bat it means the Z-fighters will be weaker than they were in the main universe. We know that because the Future Trunks that went back in time and helped them would go back to his future where he will be killed by Imperfect Cell. He never trained in the time chamber and likely used the remote to stop 17 and 18 of his time rather than surpassing them like Future Trunks we followed did. That makes U11 a prime candidate for being the universe where Broly won.
If people didn't really like the how 16, 17, and 18 changed in the proper U11 we could probably change it so the gang either successfully stopped Gero before he could activate them or in U11 for whatever reason 16 is never activated so 17 and 18 were able be talked down and the whole 16 never kills Goku for whatever reason doesn't feel so random. Whatever the route people want to go with for U11 the important thing is they stopped 17 and 18 without using the time chamber. This would lead Future Trunks aka U15 Trunks, that helped out this past (U11) got the remote to use on the 17 and 18 in his future (U15). The end result is that Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan are all much weaker than they were in other universes, Gohan isn't even a Super Saiyan. Paragus finds out Vegeta is alive and goes to Earth to lure him into a trap as we see in First Broly special. Since the group is much weaker they don't have anyone who can hold off Broly until Goku can make a Spirit Bomb, so they are killed. Broly could retain his rapidly growing ki ability, but loses the invincibility. That way when Broly wins in U11 he stay in LSS form and continue his rampage across the universe where his power will continue to grow until he destroyed everything and got frozen.
This way it justifies how U11 Broly grew so powerful that he could rival U16 Vegetto in power. Vegetto wants a challenge so bad that even without Broly literally being invincible he would likely let Broly power up as much he needed to so he could get a good fight. The fight could stay the same as we saw it in the comic proper, except SS3 Vegetto's attack likely would have killed Broly, but that is not a real loss to the story. I know people are going to say that would mean we lose Babidi wins universe, but we could still get that in another universe. With small tweaks Babidi coming to Earth and successfully revives Majin Buu might work in U6. Since U6 is where Bojack won that could have an unintended effect where Babidi has an easier time gathering energy and manipulating Bojack's crew than he did the Supreme Kai and our heroes. Bojack is arrogant enough to not help Supreme Kai and his subordinates could definitely be defeated by Dabura and have their energy drained when they battle him. When the whole thing is done Babidi could even possess Bojack and some his surviving crew to make them his slaves. Babidi could have Dabura, Majin Buu, and Bojack under his control and conquer the universe.
The girls in U6 never got any real development anyway, so cutting them out doesn't really change a whole lot. Their spots can easily be filled by other bit characters from other universes, like Freeza Soldiers, U10 Saiyans, or some other minor character. Bojack could still be in the story and have the same role to usher in danger to the story. Bojack would still be the same asshole he is now under Babidi's control, so he would likely do the same thing to U16 Pan. Nothing is lost by having Babidi win in U6 instead of U11. While U11 being the universe where the gang defeated the androids and cyborgs without using the time chamber lead to them to lose to Broly makes sense. Broly winning in U11 would still have him stay in LSS state. He would still go on a rampage and his power would still keep growing without Broly needing to be invincible. The rapidly growing ki ability would already make Broly an extremely dangerous foe, but still gives others more wiggle room to defeat him without it feeling totally random like what we have now. We get rid of the U20 special, since there is no need to explain how Broly won. U20 has vacant spot now, but that could be filled with anything from a Gero won universe to Metal Cooler universe or Shadow Dragons universe.
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Oct 2, 2021 17:49:26 GMT
The Broly won universe could have happened in U11 over U20. As an added bonus we could do away with LSS's invincibility. Universe 11 was made into the unseen timeline in the original series where the Z-fighters stopped the androids/cyborgs, but never encountered Future Cell. Right off the bat it means the Z-fighters will be weaker than they were in the main universe. We know that because the Future Trunks that went back in time and helped them would go back to his future where he will be killed by Imperfect Cell. He never trained in the time chamber and likely used the remote to stop 17 and 18 of his time rather than surpassing them like Future Trunks we followed did. That makes U11 a prime candidate for being the universe where Broly won.
If people didn't really like the how 16, 17, and 18 changed in the proper U11 we could probably change it so the gang either successfully stopped Gero before he could activate them or in U11 for whatever reason 16 is never activated so 17 and 18 were able be talked down and the whole 16 never kills Goku for whatever reason doesn't feel so random. Whatever the route people want to go with for U11 the important thing is they stopped 17 and 18 without using the time chamber. This would lead Future Trunks aka U15 Trunks, that helped out this past (U11) got the remote to use on the 17 and 18 in his future (U15). The end result is that Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan are all much weaker than they were in other universes, Gohan isn't even a Super Saiyan. Paragus finds out Vegeta is alive and goes to Earth to lure him into a trap as we see in First Broly special. Since the group is much weaker they don't have anyone who can hold off Broly until Goku can make a Spirit Bomb, so they are killed. Broly could retain his rapidly growing ki ability, but loses the invincibility. That way when Broly wins in U11 he stay in LSS form and continue his rampage across the universe where his power will continue to grow until he destroyed everything and got frozen.
This way it justifies how U11 Broly grew so powerful that he could rival U16 Vegetto in power. Vegetto wants a challenge so bad that even without Broly literally being invincible he would likely let Broly power up as much he needed to so he could get a good fight. The fight could stay the same as we saw it in the comic proper, except SS3 Vegetto's attack likely would have killed Broly, but that is not a real loss to the story. I know people are going to say that would mean we lose Babidi wins universe, but we could still get that in another universe. With small tweaks Babidi coming to Earth and successfully revives Majin Buu might work in U6. Since U6 is where Bojack won that could have an unintended effect where Babidi has an easier time gathering energy and manipulating Bojack's crew than he did the Supreme Kai and our heroes. Bojack is arrogant enough to not help Supreme Kai and his subordinates could definitely be defeated by Dabura and have their energy drained when they battle him. When the whole thing is done Babidi could even possess Bojack and some his surviving crew to make them his slaves. Babidi could have Dabura, Majin Buu, and Bojack under his control and conquer the universe.
The girls in U6 never got any real development anyway, so cutting them out doesn't really change a whole lot. Their spots can easily be filled by other bit characters from other universes, like Freeza Soldiers, U10 Saiyans, or some other minor character. Bojack could still be in the story and have the same role to usher in danger to the story. Bojack would still be the same asshole he is now under Babidi's control, so he would likely do the same thing to U16 Pan. Nothing is lost by having Babidi win in U6 instead of U11. While U11 being the universe where the gang defeated the androids and cyborgs without using the time chamber lead to them to lose to Broly makes sense. Broly winning in U11 would still have him stay in LSS state. He would still go on a rampage and his power would still keep growing without Broly needing to be invincible. The rapidly growing ki ability would already make Broly an extremely dangerous foe, but still gives others more wiggle room to defeat him without it feeling totally random like what we have now. We get rid of the U20 special, since there is no need to explain how Broly won. U20 has vacant spot now, but that could be filled with anything from a Gero won universe to Metal Cooler universe or Shadow Dragons universe.
Nice good ideas, I honestly don’t mind if Broly has “invulnerability” but just wish there was more thought put into it then what we got and I’d tone down the random insane power spikes and nonsense that happens every time Broly comes around. He jumped so quick from SSJ1 level Vegetto to SSJ2, I’d still make it possible but just slow it way down. Also have him keep the invincibility as I said before but it only working if he’s stronger or at least at the same level as his opponent. Giving whoever’s fighting him a chance still to put him down before it’s too late. It is a shame that those U6 girls were literally about as important or talked about as much as the random audience members we saw, who may have actually gotten more of a spot light and attention than them thanks to the Majin rebellion haha. Having them be flushed out more would at least make me care a little about this up and coming Bojack special. The way Salagir puts out his specials typically is so bizarre, once in awhile he does put out a relevant one to what’s going on in the main story but most of the time they’re so random and out of place. Like this Bojack special coming up, really should have been released years ago when they were just leaving the tournament maybe if it is a follow up special after they all head back home. I get that he’s left to the mercy of his artists at times and can only put out whatever they’re willing to draw but he should be able to plan accordingly and set the pacing up a little better for something that’s actually being focused on in the main story if possible. Easier said than done I’m sure and maybe it’s just because of how things are lately and after the way Bra was handled and won in that arc, only to be followed up by the horribly ending Broly specials. (Seriously I can’t believe how bad he made that Z Buu look, he should have known better and put Broly down immediately or attempt to teleport him first at least). Instead he just talked about doing it, and still just fought Broly normally for most of their fight, the fuck was that? I guess you could say it was the saiyan influence taking over because they were the most dominant ones in him at that time but I think it was just Buu being forced into holding the idiot ball until Broly could rage quit like he did. I really thought at first we were going to get a botched fusion dance Veku instead and have him get blasted before they can defuse and try the dance again. As sad as that’d be because Veku is my boy, it would have looked better than how stupid Buu was made out to be just so Broly could pull the W. Salagirs just not impressing me much as a writer at all lately for whatever that’s worth, it’s been a long time to be fair though. Writer fatigue is for sure a thing especially when you’re not making a ton of money off it because it’s not your original property. I will always like DBM because it really did get me back into Dragon Ball after so long but just not like I used to I guess. |
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Post by Skarr on Oct 2, 2021 18:53:08 GMT
He’s just not impressing me much as writer at all lately for whatever that’s worth, it’s been a long time to be fair though. Writer fatigue is for sure a thing especially when you’re not making a ton of money off it because it’s not your original property. I will always like DBM because it really did get me back into Dragon Ball after so long but just not like I used to I guess. They actually make no money from DBM but it costs him to host it on its own ad-free site instead of something like Deviantart. There could be some fatigue since it's the longest running fan comic. Usually it's a few years before the author loses interest and stops working on it. Unfortunately you can tell when that begins to happen since the release between pages or chapters slows down. In the many fan comics I've read, I hope DBM joins the short list of fanfics that made it to its end. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 2, 2021 19:07:55 GMT
Since most of what I wanted to say was already commented, I'd say U17. Have Cell outright kill Vegeta without Gohan intervening on time. This would keep Gohan with both arms. Then, instead of a beam struggle, make SSJ2 Gohan actually tussle with Super Perfect Cell.
Yes, it would still be a slaughter fest, but better narrative than Gohan just not having the confidence.
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Oct 2, 2021 23:26:41 GMT
He’s just not impressing me much as writer at all lately for whatever that’s worth, it’s been a long time to be fair though. Writer fatigue is for sure a thing especially when you’re not making a ton of money off it because it’s not your original property. I will always like DBM because it really did get me back into Dragon Ball after so long but just not like I used to I guess. They actually make no money from DBM but it costs him to host it on its own ad-free site instead of something like Deviantart. There could be some fatigue since it's the longest running fan comic. Usually it's a few years before the author loses interest and stops working on it. Unfortunately you can tell when that begins to happen since the release between pages or chapters slows down. In the many fan comics I've read, I hope DBM joins the short list of fanfics that made it to its end. Yea i’v seen some pretty good fan works come and go over the years, always a shame when a really good one comes to an end before it can even begin to finish or is super rushed. As you said usually starts with the authors slowly cutting back on releases and just fading into the ether not long after. That makes sense, I know most DB fan works don’t but wasn’t sure if DBM maybe had something going on the side like say Teamfourstar might have, them being much popular compared to the average fan work. Through either donations or other means to still make something without it being directly tied back to DB. especially with how big of a beast Toei seems to be when it comes to strikes. You’d think they’d like the fan works spreading its popularity and the free advertising they give but not how Japanese corporations operate unfortunately. This isn’t the same as using anime footage for a parody so I don’t know if it’s more lax or not for copyright reasons. I’m sure that could be a stressor too that can come into play after having done so much work over the years, just for the chance it all gets ended randomly over legal reasons. Along with typical burn out/writers block or even real life maybe coming into play obviously too. As for the money thing that’s a shame as I do think they deserve something for sure, especially with how amazing the art is at times let alone the amount of years they’ve committed to it. Can say what you want but it is impressive. I have never dug that deep into it though so all assumptions on my part, so no idea and talking out of my ass on that one haha. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 2, 2021 23:54:17 GMT
They actually make no money from DBM but it costs him to host it on its own ad-free site instead of something like Deviantart. There could be some fatigue since it's the longest running fan comic. Usually it's a few years before the author loses interest and stops working on it. Unfortunately you can tell when that begins to happen since the release between pages or chapters slows down. In the many fan comics I've read, I hope DBM joins the short list of fanfics that made it to its end. That makes sense, I know most DB fan works don’t but wasn’t sure if DBM maybe had something going on the side like say Teamfourstar might have, them being much popular compared to the average fan work. Through either donations or other means to still make something without it being directly tied back to DB. especially with how big of a beast Toei seems to be when it comes to strikes. You’d think they’d like the fan works spreading its popularity and the free advertising they give but not how Japanese corporations operate unfortunately. I’m sure that could be a stressor too that can come into play after having done so much work over the years, just for the chance it all gets ended randomly over legal reasons. Along with typical burn out/writers block or even real life maybe coming into play obviously too. As for the money thing that’s a shame as I do think they deserve something for sure, especially with how amazing the art is at times let alone the amount of years they’ve committed to it. Can say what you want but it is impressive. I have never dug that deep into it though so all assumptions on my part, so no idea and talking out of my ass on that one haha. I'm not sure if other fan manga authors share this sentiment but if I were to be able to draw that good up to being able to do monthly releases of a fan manga, I'd probably eventually feel unsatisfied due to limitations working on "other's" story entails. I'd probably figure it's better to put all that talent into making my own story. There were some crazy throwaway ,satyre and webtoon stories that became famous like Dog Ningen, Rooster fighter, Tower of Good or even One Punch Man. |
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Post by Skarr on Oct 3, 2021 0:07:12 GMT
I'm not sure if other fan manga authors share this sentiment but if I were to be able to draw that good up to being able to do monthly releases of a fan manga, I'd probably eventually feel unsatisfied due to limitations working on "other's" story entails. I'd probably figure it's better to put all that talent into making my own story. I know some former fan comic artists moved on to drawing their own stories. I think it's still a hobby and at most part-time job but it offers more freedom since you're not limited by another author's story. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 3, 2021 0:14:01 GMT
I'm not sure if other fan manga authors share this sentiment but if I were to be able to draw that good up to being able to do monthly releases of a fan manga, I'd probably eventually feel unsatisfied due to limitations working on "other's" story entails. I'd probably figure it's better to put all that talent into making my own story. I know some former fan comic artists moved on to drawing their own stories. I think it's still a hobby and at most part-time job but it offers more freedom since you're not limited by another author's story. Fan stories with lots of OC's (except in villains, which is a necessary evil) and foreign thematics, or exploring weird interpersonal relationships) tend to not be that well accepted. So there's certainly a very limiting factor you would not have if all characters were your own. |
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Oct 3, 2021 2:45:58 GMT
I know some former fan comic artists moved on to drawing their own stories. I think it's still a hobby and at most part-time job but it offers more freedom since you're not limited by another author's story. Fan stories with lots of OC's (except in villains, which is a necessary evil) and foreign thematics, or exploring weird interpersonal relationships) tend to not be that well accepted. So there's certainly a very limiting factor you would not have if all characters were your own. Haha you pretty much summed up why even Hollywood mostly releases sequels and reboots these days with that one. Riding that old known nostalgia train straight to the bank, can be hard to sell new. |
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Post by Son Pan on Oct 3, 2021 18:08:40 GMT
I'm not sure if other fan manga authors share this sentiment but if I were to be able to draw that good up to being able to do monthly releases of a fan manga, I'd probably eventually feel unsatisfied due to limitations working on "other's" story entails. I'd probably figure it's better to put all that talent into making my own story. I know some former fan comic artists moved on to drawing their own stories. I think it's still a hobby and at most part-time job but it offers more freedom since you're not limited by another author's story. I have seen one or two that gave up because they have less free time to work on it. Sometimes writers block happens to. I was writing a Bleach fan fiction that I got writers block for and before I knew it five years passed before I came back in on it. Every once in a while I try to write something but it feels wrong or I’m missing something. |
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Post by ouv on Oct 4, 2021 1:32:32 GMT
He’s just not impressing me much as writer at all lately for whatever that’s worth, it’s been a long time to be fair though. Writer fatigue is for sure a thing especially when you’re not making a ton of money off it because it’s not your original property. I will always like DBM because it really did get me back into Dragon Ball after so long but just not like I used to I guess. They actually make no money from DBM but it costs him to host it on its own ad-free site instead of something like Deviantart. There could be some fatigue since it's the longest running fan comic. Usually it's a few years before the author loses interest and stops working on it. Unfortunately you can tell when that begins to happen since the release between pages or chapters slows down. In the many fan comics I've read, I hope DBM joins the short list of fanfics that made it to its end. Motivation, longevity, potential writer fatigue, moving to side projects, will it be finished one day or will Salagir/Asura lose interest at some point ? Great points and questions for the next DBM Twitch In what ways DBM falls in or avoid the usual traps of long-term fan fiction? Why do some of the team members keep working on DBM after all these years ? Why not move from DBM to some copyright-owned comics ? Sorry for not being on topic, but these are all great questions we will be happy to answer |
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Post by godjacob on Oct 4, 2021 6:41:52 GMT
I am aware this was due to real life complications due to artists picking it up then bailing on it so I am more forgiving to it than say U6 Special, but the U9 Special was a mess that basically opened with interesting ideas...before skipping over to the present skipping over ALL the important stuff I actually wanted to see/be given context to.
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Oct 5, 2021 2:10:16 GMT
I am aware this was due to real life complications due to artists picking it up then bailing on it so I am more forgiving to it than say U6 Special, but the U9 Special was a mess that basically opened with interesting ideas...before skipping over to the present skipping over ALL the important stuff I actually wanted to see/be given context to. For sure, it’s a shame if what I remember right about them having a hard time even having artists finish drawing any U6 specials let alone finding one that wanted to do it. Leading to that stitched together special that was sorta hard to follow to say the least. It’s no secret that the humans are probably the least interesting or popular characters for most. Not only because they are typically far too weak to help out, being forced on the sidelines as a restful. But also because it’s hard to compete in popularity irl with these other colorful super hero/villain like alien races that also tend to have access to cool ass transformations that buff the hell out of them. Do think DBM has some cool ideas for the U6 humans though and made them seem like they could be pretty competent. Being able to handle some more major threats without the saiyans around to save the day every time. Points for actually utilizing the Kaioken too and giving the humans at least something to combat some threats with. Always a neat idea and should have been in canon imo. But unfortunately they’ve only been able to tell us a little instead of showing us more, keeping so much in the dark about U6 even after all these years. Think there’s a lot of great potential for some awesome plots to happen without the saiyans in the picture, even if they just have faced Freeza level threats there’s still an interesting story to be told there. Like how/why did some of them learn the Kaioken and how the invading saiyans most likely played a hand in what went down. Or where they encountered Cooler and some how managed to over take someone as strong as him seeing as he’s been mentioned. Him always being in his true form by the Z years should rule out any tomfuckery about getting murdered while he’s in a vastly weaker suppressed form like his brother and father have been. Even if he catches the idiot ball they would at least need to pull off something amazing to take him down, maybe one of them knows the spirit bomb? Then there’s always what’s up with and how it got so twisted that Yamcha became a cyborg of course and if it was against his will or not. Lots of ideas to work with but that said unfortunately think it would have been much more hyped and looked forward to for most if we had got something like that for U6 a few years ago. Or if they were still some what relevant to the main comic at least, sadly that can be said for most of the other less popular universes too I suppose. Know that’s not how DBM specials typically work because of real life issues unfortunately but would do a lot to hype up underrated universes imo if they got decent specials when they are still relevant or not eliminated from the tournament let alone years after. But always the chance that cyborg Yamcha really is the dark horse in the supposed XXI confrontation, so maybe we’ll get more about U6 then. |
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