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Post by Skarr on Feb 2, 2022 22:53:51 GMT
What's the point of a U17 special? Cell won. The end. It'd be 20 pages of Cell brutally murdering/absorbing people. I already think it was a bit of a stretch to make Cell as strong as he is in DBM, because, with no opponents, there wouldn't be any motivation for him to push himself further. Cell was definitely way outclassed early on but the comic always seemed to imply he got stronger than his base SSJ2 level self from DBZ, which doesn't make any sense. If there is another U17 special, it would probably show Cell and the Jrs defeating Bojack's gang, maybe Babidi if they ran into him, and exploring the universe terrorizing a few planets. I think at the beginning of the DBM tournament he's low SSJ3 tier. That's after 27 years of occasional training and maybe some Zenkais if he's holding back against the planets he terrorized. I think out of boredom he would end up doing these things. |
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Post by verdimon07 on Feb 3, 2022 0:10:23 GMT
also heres one that would be neat a earth without son goku of king piccolo earth of U1 & U10 east & west kaioshin would seal king picclo so kami would not die meaning master mutaito would not die meaning master shen would not be evil and tao would most likely either be good or on his own if mutaito is like roshi and shen then he would help train tien krillin yamcha chiaotzu grandpa gohan & ox he could also chose to move on to the afterlife and not become immortal my guess is that roshi & shen would not have there rivaly and might teach two diffrent styles of martial arts in the same school being a more goku vegeta rivaly being more frendly i see events playing out like universe 9/3 to start with the hunt for the dragon balls with the changes being the encounter with roshi being diffrent gohan would take yamcha to train with his masters were they meet tien and krillin the first world martial arts tournament happens but with tien and chiaotzu i see the finals being jakie chun vs bruce leo same leason as before then red ribbion ethier the kais show up and destroy the army or the dragon team do either way greo wants some vengence but after that the humans possible train with korin and kami yamcha marries bulma the the 2nd and 3rd worlds martial arts tournments happen and things our peacefull besides gero who begians work create the perfect being in his lab this cell is not like the one we know he has none of the pepole that makes up him in the original he is instead made up of the most powerfull martial arts masters in his dna the most brillant minds he has none of the flaws normal flaws that reqular humans have no selfish desire no old age a better healing factor he is the perfect human he is cell once born cell he challges the dragon team he beats them easily but does not kill him as unlike the cell in U18 he choses to better the world instead of destroying it since he has no lust to fight or desire for death and chaos and choses to take over the world so that he can make a better place the kais however don't like it now i do not like chapter 86 of dragon ball multivesre but this could prove the point of grand kai just a little better as well a little extreme this version of cell would not be like the original since he was desined so diffrently in the first place and would try to do good in his own way the kais see him as a threat and kill him and gero or the nameless namkian would not leave namek meaning no yamchai kami or bulma but still being the sameand the humans being weaker then there universe 9 self and the kais being the only particpants this would be the last special of U1 besides a possible aftermath special
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Post by NamelessSaiyan on Feb 3, 2022 2:08:06 GMT
What's the point of a U17 special? Cell won. The end. It'd be 20 pages of Cell brutally murdering/absorbing people. I already think it was a bit of a stretch to make Cell as strong as he is in DBM, because, with no opponents, there wouldn't be any motivation for him to push himself further. Cell was definitely way outclassed early on but the comic always seemed to imply he got stronger than his base SSJ2 level self from DBZ, which doesn't make any sense. If there is another U17 special, it would probably show Cell and the Jrs defeating Bojack's gang, maybe Babidi if they ran into him, and exploring the universe terrorizing a few planets. I think at the beginning of the DBM tournament he's low SSJ3 tier. That's after 27 years of occasional training and maybe some Zenkais if he's holding back against the planets he terrorized. I think out of boredom he would end up doing these things. I think it's possible that, in a war of attrition against Babidi, Fat Buu and Dabura, Cell would eventually win. They wouldn't know how to kill him for good, which would allow him large boosts due to zenkais. Cell is stronger than Dabura even in low SSJ2 form and Buu can't obliterate him unless he turns Cell into chocolate. I can perfectly see Buu hitting a Jr with Chocolate Beam, which would make Cell much more cautious. Not to mention a team of Jrs + Cell stands a much better chance of defeating Fat Buu than U9, and U9 might have done it anyway. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 3, 2022 14:58:11 GMT
If there is another U17 special, it would probably show Cell and the Jrs defeating Bojack's gang, maybe Babidi if they ran into him, and exploring the universe terrorizing a few planets. I think at the beginning of the DBM tournament he's low SSJ3 tier. That's after 27 years of occasional training and maybe some Zenkais if he's holding back against the planets he terrorized. I think out of boredom he would end up doing these things. I think it's possible that, in a war of attrition against Babidi, Fat Buu and Dabura, Cell would eventually win. They wouldn't know how to kill him for good, which would allow him large boosts due to zenkais. Cell is stronger than Dabura even in low SSJ2 form and Buu can't obliterate him unless he turns Cell into chocolate. I can perfectly see Buu hitting a Jr with Chocolate Beam, which would make Cell much more cautious. Not to mention a team of Jrs + Cell stands a much better chance of defeating Fat Buu than U9, and U9 might have done it anyway. I doubt Majin Buu was even revived in U9 or U17. It is pretty easy to imagine scenarios where either universe defeated the wizard and Dabura before they got the necessary energy needed to revive Buu like what U12/U14/U15 did with Gohan, only less convoluted. |
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Post by Skarr on Feb 3, 2022 15:14:57 GMT
I doubt Majin Buu was even revived in U9 or U17. It is pretty easy to imagine scenarios where either universe defeated the wizard and Dabura before they got the necessary energy needed to revive Buu like what U12/U14/U15 did with Gohan, only less convoluted. In the universes Buu was revived, Majin Vegeta fighting Goku helped gather enough energy. If Cell was Majinized in U17, there wouldn't have been anyone for him to fight so he would've turned against Babidi and fought Dabura. The only way I can see Buu being revived in U17 is if Cell was curious after hearing about him and helped Babidi gather energy over time. |
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Post by NamelessSaiyan on Feb 3, 2022 17:32:42 GMT
I think it's possible that, in a war of attrition against Babidi, Fat Buu and Dabura, Cell would eventually win. They wouldn't know how to kill him for good, which would allow him large boosts due to zenkais. Cell is stronger than Dabura even in low SSJ2 form and Buu can't obliterate him unless he turns Cell into chocolate. I can perfectly see Buu hitting a Jr with Chocolate Beam, which would make Cell much more cautious. Not to mention a team of Jrs + Cell stands a much better chance of defeating Fat Buu than U9, and U9 might have done it anyway. I doubt Majin Buu was even revived in U9 or U17. It is pretty easy to imagine scenarios where either universe defeated the wizard and Dabura before they got the necessary energy needed to revive Buu like what U12/U14/U15 did with Gohan, only less convoluted. Now that you mentioned it, I want to see Cell absorbing Babidi. |
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Post by godjacob on Feb 3, 2022 18:29:02 GMT
I doubt Majin Buu was even revived in U9 or U17. It is pretty easy to imagine scenarios where either universe defeated the wizard and Dabura before they got the necessary energy needed to revive Buu like what U12/U14/U15 did with Gohan, only less convoluted. Now that you mentioned it, I want to see Cell absorbing Babidi. Problem here is, Cell would only absorb people if it could increase his power. He doesn't per say get to take aspects of who he absorbs into him like Buu can, so Babidi's magical knowledge would be of little use to him. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 3, 2022 19:49:44 GMT
Now that you mentioned it, I want to see Cell absorbing Babidi. Problem here is, Cell would only absorb people if it could increase his power. He doesn't per say get to take aspects of who he absorbs into him like Buu can, so Babidi's magical knowledge would be of little use to him. To add to this I also do not think Cell can absorb people get stronger anymore. That was a function mostly created to help him achieve completion. As soon as he achieves it Cell stops absorbing people. He never even attempted to try to absorb Gohan despite being outclassed in every way. I don’t think it was a pride issue considering how desperate Cell got during that fight. If Cell felt cornered he would have tried to absorb Gohan like he did Piccolo when he proved too much for Cell to handle. Cell’s absorption seems far more limited to just absorbing the parts and bits of people he needs to reach his perfect form. He doesn’t seem like he is draining their ki directly, but their body tissue to get stronger. |
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Post by NamelessSaiyan on Feb 3, 2022 21:15:23 GMT
Now that you mentioned it, I want to see Cell absorbing Babidi. Problem here is, Cell would only absorb people if it could increase his power. He doesn't per say get to take aspects of who he absorbs into him like Buu can, so Babidi's magical knowledge would be of little use to him. Not for power. It's for seeing the actual absorption and Babidi's horror. |
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Post by Skarr on Feb 3, 2022 21:46:32 GMT
To add to this I also do not think Cell can absorb people get stronger anymore. That was a function mostly created to help him achieve completion. As soon as he achieves it Cell stops absorbing people. He never even attempted to try to absorb Gohan despite being outclassed in every way. I don’t think it was a pride issue considering how desperate Cell got during that fight. If Cell felt cornered he would have tried to absorb Gohan like he did Piccolo when he proved too much for Cell to handle. That's true. Perfect Cell still had his tail though so it's possible he didn't think he could be fast enough to use it on Gohan. He tried overpowering Gohan with a concentrated Kamehameha then his version of USSJ before #18 was knocked out of him. Perfect Cell was still able to get a Zenkai despite being complete so I imagine Gero would intentionally remove a useful ability he had in a previous form. Imperfect Cell might've been able to get stronger had he absorbed more people but it seemed like he stopped once he had enough to surpass Piccolo who was the strongest Z fighter at the time. |
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Post by godjacob on Feb 3, 2022 22:09:40 GMT
Think how Cell works is, he can absorb in his Imperfect/Semi-Perfect State to a point. Like I imagine strong enough so it could complete its desired objected of absorbing Android 17/18. Once he hits perfect, he is in essence "complete" and while a thing like a Zenkai can give him a bit of a boost, I think he loses his ability to absorb as well he doesn't have any need to.
If there is no limit to his absorption, then his Semi-Perfect and Perfect Forms become moot as Imperfect Cell could just keep absorbing people/warriors and surpass his perfect power which would be just a stupid design idea.
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Post by Skarr on Feb 3, 2022 23:16:08 GMT
Think how Cell works is, he can absorb in his Imperfect/Semi-Perfect State to a point. Like I imagine strong enough so it could complete its desired objected of absorbing Android 17/18. Once he hits perfect, he is in essence "complete" and while a thing like a Zenkai can give him a bit of a boost, I think he loses his ability to absorb as well he doesn't have any need to. If there is no limit to his absorption, then his Semi-Perfect and Perfect Forms become moot as Imperfect Cell could just keep absorbing people/warriors and surpass his perfect power which would be just a stupid design idea. True I was assuming there was a limit to his imperfect form otherwise there wouldn't have been a point for more transformations. Transforming might allow him to absorb more people since the concept involves raising his potential and his tail still exists. I'm not sure what they went with for DBM since it varies in fanfics that include Cell. He could still extend his tail in DBM but I don't remember if it was said whether or not he could still absorb energy with it. |
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