This Week's (Subbed) DBS Episode

Just look at the recent One Punch Man did. Wasn't a high budget anime, even the manga was a revised version of the original webcomic with some extra details and fillers. The author kept it consistent and the animation studio also had volunteers helping with the digital animation "passionately" and it though we might have some passionate people behind DBSuper, OPM was enjoyable. Season 2 coming

Then there's over the top high quality animations like Attack on Titan, Kabeneri etc. When these studios could do so much then why TOEI couldn't?

Nah, no need to compare these to DBSuper when we could just take DBZ for comparison

So I was right, and @skar and @malacassida were utterly wrong. Hehe.

Champa already mentioned "So the 4 STRONGEST Universes are non-chalant because they don't get erased".

EDIT: Rewatched again (with various other alternate translations) and it seems he didn't ACTUALLY say that. Still, Bergamo's wording lead us to the same conclusion: What MORTAL LEVEL means is the average powerlevel of all mortals combined. Not of the team of 10, and it doesn't take into account which kaioshins/hakaishins are stronger.

Bergamo said something like: "Zeno Sama says we are the weakest universe... but by defeating Goku I'll prove they are even lower!". Also, Keihatsu/Juumin were never mentioned in this episode either. Keihatsu is the proper japanese word for civilization/enlightenment. Not "reberu". "Reberu" can only mean water level, height and POWER in the case of this anime.

I can, but you won't understand shit because it's in Spanish:


So I'll provide screenshots with translations:


"I am Bergamo, a warrior from the universe King of All considers the WEAKEST"

Weak = débil.



"I suppose our level of Gods must also be superior"

Since it is taboo for GoD's to fight, the best proxy for it is the powerlevel of the mortals they survey. If this was about morality or development, they'd speak more confidently, since it would mean they're directly helping them to develop and advance both in technology and philosophy, which I don't think is the case.

There has been one very direct mention of strength / weakness thus far, but no clear pronunciation of anything relating to civilization, population number, or morality.

So naturally, if Universe 9 is the WEAKEST, Universe 7 should be the second weakest, and by mere consequence the 4 excluded top ones the STRONKEST.

Also, power level is easy to quantify. Morality can only be described in non-quantifiable terms. Therefore it sounds ridiculous to say "This universe has 3.97 morality points".


Morality is something subjective and therefore can not be quantified/qualified. For this to even start to make sense you'd have to define the morality of the gods (if they have any). Some culture may find religious human sacrifices totally honorable, other civilizations may consider it a complete amoral aberration. Some cultures may be OK with polygamy and others may find it truly amoral.

I feel many of the people arguing for it not being about powerlevels are just tired as shit of powerlevel wanking and obsessive cyphering, but quantifying morality in a scale of 1 to 10 would bring the same issues powerlevel did among many other new ones.

By the way, the non-participating universes acted very selfish and apathetic at the fact most of the other universes would be wiped out. Most of the excluded universes did not even bulge or react strongly at anything that Goku did. Not even him "displaying a power that rivals the gods" nor his apparent disrespect for Zeno. Although morality is very malleable depending on living conditions, apathy/selfishness is generally considered non-moral in most cultures.

If the deities do not care at all about countless trillions dying outside their jurisdiction (including fellow gods) then it's likely they would not care too much about what happens to the mortal in their universe or what path they take either. With this, moral teaching on behalf of the gods seems even more unlikely.

I forgot to comment on the episode!

-I really liked these Wolf brothers. It was a dickmove to try and turn everyone against Goku but he did it to save his own universe at least. Despite being underhanded bastards, they seem to at least care about each other.

-I never rooted against Goku before but I really hope Toppo beats the shit out of him next episode. The guy's talking about justice and Goku being evil and all Goku can think about is fighting him because his last opponent wasn't good enough.

-Goku supposedly having trouble with teamwork feels like those RoF character flaws made up for the movie that were never a problem in the series. Goku accepted help in every major battle in the manga. Tien saved him from King Piccolo's blast when he flew him up in the air, he teamed up Piccolo against Raditz, Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe helped him against Vegeta, he wanted to fight Ginyu and Jeice with Vegeta but Vegeta abandoned him, he wanted to help Gohan against Cell when he realized Gohan wasn't able to get angry, offered to fight Buu with Vegeta until Vegeta knocked him out, and was going to fuse with Gohan and convinced Vegeta to fuse with him. I think the only time Goku wanted to fight on his own was against Kid Buu initially because they underestimated his power but he did suggest having Gotenks and Gohan come to help when he realized Kid Buu was too much for him. Plus, he used the Spirit Bomb three times which involves borrowing energy from his surroundings and shows that he understood his power wasn't enough. I understand if they want to give the characters something to work towards but I hate how in DBS it relies on character regression and reteaching them an old lesson or giving them a flaw they never had a problem with.

-So the tournament is going to be a giant battle royale?? It's going to be hard to keep track of everyone with 80 contestants fighting at once. It's the first time we've had something like that so I think it'll be pretty awesome as long as the animation is good. Grand Priest said it will last for 48 minutes but I wonder if that's real time or "Freeza minutes" lasting 10+ episodes.


In the translation I saw, he said "I am a warrior from universe 9, a place Zenoh-sama said had the lowest mortal level" then he went on to say that Goku's level was far below his own because he was threatening all the universes over a tournament. In this context, mortality makes more sense in my opinion because he's bringing Goku's morals into question and after pointing out that his universe is the lowest ranked.


That was in the translation I saw but I understood it as the Gods having their ranking. The mortal level refers to how well they perform their jobs while the God level could refer to their own morality. A Kaioshin could have a good character like U7 Kaioshin and Gowasu but not do a good job at guiding mortals and bringing up their level. I agree that mortality can't really be quantified but the God who come up with that system, whether it's Zeno or Grand Priest, is basing it on their standards of what they consider "moral". It's a God who could scan the multiverse and give an average ranking so I don't think it's too farfetched that this God could decide how everyone will be judged.

No, I don't think I implied that. I said it can't be quantified because it's subjective and whoever is coming up with the system decides what counts as "moral". In real life, we have civil laws that could vary between countries. We don't know what exactly is being judged but there is a clear implication that it has to do with the job performance of the Kaioshin. If it had to with average power level, many of the scenes wouldn't make sense.

-There wouldn't be a point in showing Beerus and Kaioshin blame each other if they were being judged based on something that literally had nothing to do with their jobs.

-It would only be a coincidence that the lowest ranked universe had a cheating Kaioshin and passive God of Destruction.

-They gods mentioned how Goku was disrespectful towards Zeno and brought up his universe's mortal level which wouldn't matter if it was referring to his power.

-Bergamo questioned Goku's morality immediately after saying that his universe was the lowest ranked.

-Kaioshin talked about his great leadership but bringing up the average power level of mortals was never implied to be part of their jobs.

Bold: Was asking why they go for "King Kai Fist" instead of the (in)famous "KAIOKEN!!!!"

Your Edit: Yep. 48 minutes the entire tournament. Only one universe can stand on the arena, regardless if it's 1 or 10 members, just one universe. That's it. Total battle royal... Probably gonna be played quickly to just the top 4 universes, one of which includes fighters like Majin Blue, FemBroly, and Hit, taking down the weaker/easier universes while the camera focuses on U7's struggles... and the Krillin own count.