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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 12, 2017 23:16:45 GMT
Not a better person but instantly more likable and charismatic. We do not even know what her band of thugs does and doesn't. For all we know they just hang out to drink or something. It's just Bra sucks this much, and if this post of yours is anything to go by, so does the senseless yapping of their fans when attempting a futile defense. Seriously, fuck you more. I just like the part where where you like a gang leader of degenerate thugs because she smiles over a tough bitch because she says some mean this. I'm not so much defending Bra as much as I am pointing out your blatant hypocrisy so seriously, fuck you the most +1 I have had to stand Bra for the whole DBM while I only have had to stand Caulifla for 3 or 4 episodes. It makes sense. Or tell me, do you not complain more about a fat wife for 20 years than some brand new girlfriend? Still, my points still stands: Her outward demeanor (save for the comments to Goku and Vegeta which incidentally were very Bra-like) is far more charismatic and likeable than that of Bra.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 23:35:17 GMT
I just like the part where where you like a gang leader of degenerate thugs because she smiles over a tough bitch because she says some mean this. I'm not so much defending Bra as much as I am pointing out your blatant hypocrisy so seriously, fuck you the most +1 I have had to stand Bra for the whole DBM while I only have had to stand Caulifla for 3 or 4 episodes. It makes sense. Or tell me, do you not complain more about a fat wife for 20 years than some brand new fat girlfriend? Still, my points still stands: Her outward demeanor (save for the comments to Goku and Vegeta which incidentally were very Bra-like) is far more charismatic and likeable than that of Bra. FTFY just so that comparison is more compatible for this CvB quarrel. Well to each their own. I like Caulifla, but I like Bra significantly more and that's not because Caulifla comes across as some unkempt dyke. Also helps that Bra has the pedigree to go along with her entire package whereas Caulifla just came in like a wrecking ball. If I could find a chick to cosplay as Bra, complete with highheels so she can kick/stomp me with em all the while spouting condescending profanities I think I would die a happy man, a very happy man.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 12, 2017 23:51:44 GMT
I have had to stand Bra for the whole DBM while I only have had to stand Caulifla for 3 or 4 episodes. It makes sense. Or tell me, do you not complain more about a fat wife for 20 years than some brand new fat girlfriend? Still, my points still stands: Her outward demeanor (save for the comments to Goku and Vegeta which incidentally were very Bra-like) is far more charismatic and likeable than that of Bra. FTFY just so that comparison is more compatible for this CvB quarrel. Well to each their own. I like Caulifla, but I like Bra significantly more and that's not because Caulifla comes across as some unkempt dyke. Also helps that Bra has the pedigree to go along with her entire package whereas Caulifla just came in like a wrecking ball. If I could find a chick to cosplay as Bra, complete with highheels so she can kick/stomp me with em all the while spouting condescending profanities I think I would die a happy man, a very happy man. Well I basically agreed she was developed better, and far more deserving of her power. Do not even get me started with the transformations with back tingles as it's unnecessary. All in all Bra is a lot better character in everything except the factor I mentioned: charisma.
In this Caulifla has her beat. And yeah, something as simple as facial expressions, smiles, or her making herself an ass (like having teary eyes when Cabba showcased SSJ for the second time) can influence the perception a lot. If you do not think so then, compare how Bra looked when possessed with Ginyu vs. when she isn't. When she went SSJ2 against Zen Buu she looked like a demented crackhead. Let's be real. You do not get directly hurt by chicks like Bra like you suggested, in real life. She is the one that cockblocks you from her naiver, nicer hot group of friends just because instead. Not because she wants to protect them but because she's an asshole.
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Post by Azoth on Jul 13, 2017 0:12:41 GMT
I think Cabba will deliberately stay behind Caulifla because he secretly likes being dominated by stronger women.
Anyway, while I am pretty hype for Caulifla, I'd like to see more from her before I decide she's better/worse than Bra. Bra's had plenty of screentime to make her unlikable, Caulifla could go the same direction.
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Post by Namikaze on Jul 13, 2017 0:20:55 GMT
Is there anything leaning to believe that she WILL get the form? The description sounds pretty vague with the "but...", so I just assume that either she attempts to learn but fails -- or she's attempting to learn until Kale gets the wrong idea about their training. However, if worse comes to worse, then I'll just safely disregard Super as anything serious completely and just enjoy it simply for being a "fun" show.
Krillin Discussion: I don't think this is really the best way to take out Krillin honestly. You mean to tell me that after all that build-up of Krillin becoming a fighter again - you DQ him out of the tournament? And the first one out too? C'mon man. In two ways this also kinda makes Krillin look a bit dumb and reckless. One, because his entire Universe (including his own daughter's live) is on the line. Two, even if by some chance this is a gamble to get rid of a few fighters, it's extremely risky in the first place since the tournament is pretty randomized and you don't know what other fighters are capable of. If it's not a gamble, then the writers are just lazy for taking Krillin out in such a lazy fashion after building him up.
Caulifla & Kale/Bra: I've already went into what I think about Bra - which is to shortly say, not much of a strong enough opinion. However, I do think there is more of a place for Bra in DBM than I think there is for Caulifla or Kale currently in Super. Bra is not very likable, but at least there's layers to that given her upbringing. Why exactly is Caulifla a punk? Why is her brother even cool with that? Is their relationship not really the best? Where are their parents? See? Stuff like that. Likewise would also go for Kale. What exactly ties her to this Broly/LSS/Rage form? How did she fall in with Caulifla and her gang? The list goes on and on. Right now they both feel like cash-grab gimmicks in their own right -- which, isn't to say that I hate them or anything. They're just a bit one-dimensional as they are, but there is always room for improvement. Giving them powerup after powerup isn't doing them favors either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 0:29:04 GMT
FTFY just so that comparison is more compatible for this CvB quarrel. Well to each their own. I like Caulifla, but I like Bra significantly more and that's not because Caulifla comes across as some unkempt dyke. Also helps that Bra has the pedigree to go along with her entire package whereas Caulifla just came in like a wrecking ball. If I could find a chick to cosplay as Bra, complete with highheels so she can kick/stomp me with em all the while spouting condescending profanities I think I would die a happy man, a very happy man. Well I basically agreed she was developed better, and far more deserving of her power. Do not even get me started with the transformations with back tingles as it's unnecessary. All in all Bra is a lot better character in everything except the factor I mentioned: charisma.
In this Caulifla has her beat. And yeah, something as simple as facial expressions, smiles, or her making herself an ass (like having teary eyes when Cabba showcased SSJ for the second time) can influence the perception a lot. If you do not think so then, compare how Bra looked when possessed with Ginyu vs. when she isn't. When she went SSJ2 against Zen Buu she looked like a demented crackhead. Let's be real. You do not get directly hurt by chicks like Bra like you suggested, in real life. She is the one that cockblocks you from her naiver, nicer hot group of friends just because instead. Not because she wants to protect them but because she's an asshole. I think Caulifla is a manipulative cunt for the reasons you mentioned, which I find it funny considering how much Ginyu and Caulifla are so alike in that respect. I thought she looked awesome as a demented crackhead? I love me some good raipface. It seems we both like a bitch, just a different type of bitch. You and I will never see eye to eye when it comes to each of their, ahem, 'charismatic' traits, so I am just going to leave it at that. LOL. I was just fishing without a hook in regards to the being hurt thing, didn't think you would have a nibble..... Besides, if Bra is the ugly one in that circle of friends I wouldn't have had a bloody chance to begin with so I can thank her for saving me both the time AND the heartache, but especially the time.
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Post by Axalon on Jul 13, 2017 2:56:28 GMT
Excellent write ups today Axalon , you're on fire cunt! Among other things, I'm also very glad the needlessly added 'universe ending' punches have not been forgotten and are biting Toei on the arse.If your day wasn't already complete, allow me to help you with that. I have a decent toothache, one that makes it look like I had a stroke then Mike Tyson punch hooked the right side of my face on my way down so between your posts on this page, especially the Goku vs Beerus pic and The Retro Kakarotto 's two videos I am now officially writhing in agony. Fuck you both very, very much... The worst part of those punches? It isn't Toei. It has ALL the hallmarks of being a Toei-ism but that in fact sprang forth from the mind of Toriyama, as the manga ALSO has the universe destroying punches. So once again the power scaling has jumped up to astronomical levels and...honestly never even got that high again for some reason until Zen-Oh erased a universe. I dunno. Poor Toei and Toyotaro have both had to try and just work around that I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 3:00:03 GMT
Excellent write ups today Axalon , you're on fire cunt! Among other things, I'm also very glad the needlessly added 'universe ending' punches have not been forgotten and are biting Toei on the arse.If your day wasn't already complete, allow me to help you with that. I have a decent toothache, one that makes it look like I had a stroke then Mike Tyson punch hooked the right side of my face on my way down so between your posts on this page, especially the Goku vs Beerus pic and The Retro Kakarotto 's two videos I am now officially writhing in agony. Fuck you both very, very much... The worst part of those punches? It isn't Toei. It has ALL the hallmarks of being a Toei-ism but that in fact sprang forth from the mind of Toriyama, as the manga ALSO has the universe destroying punches. So once again the power scaling has jumped up to astronomical levels and...honestly never even got that high again for some reason until Zen-Oh erased a universe. I dunno. Poor Toei and Toyotaro have both had to try and just work around that I suppose. This is like fanfiction to the extreme, almost-Marvel levels if you will. Zen-Oh erased an entire timeline. EDIT: Put the manga page in spoiler tags for space.
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Post by Jason9000 on Jul 13, 2017 3:28:41 GMT
The worst part of those punches? It isn't Toei. It has ALL the hallmarks of being a Toei-ism but that in fact sprang forth from the mind of Toriyama, as the manga ALSO has the universe destroying punches. So once again the power scaling has jumped up to astronomical levels and...honestly never even got that high again for some reason until Zen-Oh erased a universe. I dunno. Poor Toei and Toyotaro have both had to try and just work around that I suppose. This is like fanfiction to the extreme, almost-Marvel levels if you will. Zen-Oh erased an entire timeline. EDIT: Put the manga page in spoiler tags for space. Did Future Zeno erase the entire Future Timeline? I don't remember that being said. Just that he erased the Future Universe 7 and was floating around in empty white space because he was to impatient to bring his body guards with him to Future Universe 7. Because if he erased the entire Future timeline why do they show up in scenes when the two Zeno's are playing planetary chess?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 13, 2017 3:39:13 GMT
This is like fanfiction to the extreme, almost-Marvel levels if you will. Zen-Oh erased an entire timeline. EDIT: Put the manga page in spoiler tags for space. Did Future Zeno erase the entire Future Timeline? I don't remember that being said. Just that he erased the Future Universe 7 and was floating around in empty white space because he was to impatient to bring his body guards with him to Future Universe 7. Because if he erased the entire Future timeline why do they show up in scenes when the two Zeno's are playing planetary chess?Not following? I'd like to think he erased the entire timeline, since Zamasu was so OP he was already spreading everywhere. He even started leaking into U7 present timeline. If he was able to do so by mere expansion, then it's safe to assume he covered the entire universes. Let's hope we get an alternate ending in the manga in this chapter, that finally feels more conclusive and actually makes some sort of sense.
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Post by Jason9000 on Jul 13, 2017 3:52:04 GMT
Did Future Zeno erase the entire Future Timeline? I don't remember that being said. Just that he erased the Future Universe 7 and was floating around in empty white space because he was to impatient to bring his body guards with him to Future Universe 7. Because if he erased the entire Future timeline why do they show up in scenes when the two Zeno's are playing planetary chess?Not following? I'd like to think he erased the entire timeline, since Zamasu was so OP he was already spreading everywhere. He even started leaking into U7 present timeline. If he was able to do so by mere expansion, then it's safe to assume he covered the entire universes. Let's hope we get an alternate ending in the manga in this chapter, that finally feels more conclusive and actually makes some sort of sense. Sorry I meant that we see Future Zeno's bodyguards when him and his present counterpart are smashing planets together when Goku shows up asking about the multiversal martial art tournament that becomes the Tournament of Power. There's two bodyguards behind Future Zeno and two behind Present Zeno. So if he erased the entire Future timeline they would no longer exist and wouldn't be there in that scene. Although for some reason they or their present counterparts keep disappearing every other scene they're in. Like Toei can't make up their mind if they're actually there or not. I'm pretty sure that Zamasu only started to infect the present timeline because of the bullshit time rifts that Goku Black pulled out of his ass and never closed. We never had any confirmation he infected anywhere else besides spreading across Future Universe 7 and starting to spread into Present Universe 7 because of the rifts. I don't think the rifts closed until Future Zamasu was erased.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 3:52:30 GMT
This is like fanfiction to the extreme, almost-Marvel levels if you will. Zen-Oh erased an entire timeline. EDIT: Put the manga page in spoiler tags for space. Did Future Zeno erase the entire Future Timeline? I don't remember that being said. Just that he erased the Future Universe 7 and was floating around in empty white space because he was to impatient to bring his body guards with him to Future Universe 7. Because if he erased the entire Future timeline why do they show up in scenes when the two Zeno's are playing planetary chess? Zamasu's essence spread throughout the entire multiverse after his body was destroyed, so Future Zen-Oh had to destroy the multiverse to get rid of him completely. His bodyguards were in his palace which is apparently beyond the multiverse. They may have appeared along with Future Zen-Oh to live in Present Zen-Oh's palace off-screen.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Jul 13, 2017 4:40:27 GMT
I'm gettin the impression that some of you cunts have been reeeaaaally hurt by some chick in the past or at least by someone who reminds you enough of Bra, that or youse really love DBM while really hating Super which would also explain the subconscious reasoning behind such moronic thought process' and statements. Struth! [...] If your day wasn't already complete, allow me to help you with that. I have a decent toothache, one that makes it look like I had a stroke then Mike Tyson punch hooked the right side of my face on my way down so between your posts on this page, especially the Goku vs Beerus pic and The Retro Kakarotto 's two videos I am now officially writhing in agony. Fuck you both very, very much... I'm more-so upset at the way Toei handled Caulifla's power-ups (about the whole "fit into an episode" and "no reference to the amount of time spent" thing). But since it is what it is, we gotta roll with it (at least In-Universe in that regard,) that she's a talented prodigy, or as Axalon puts it, Cabba's Goku: Always ahead of Vegeta, or in U6's case, Cabba. Or maybe I'm more disappointment at how it didn't go as I (and maybe a couple other members) envisioned it. Could've been Cabba doing intense training with Caulifla, someone who's got huge potential and is able to overpower Cabba (I would also question Cabba's placement in the U6 tournament but not my main concern as of now) to the point that Cabba has to man up and vent his years worth of Caulifla-induced-frustration towards her, especially how she's [insert an insult such as being so bitchy towards him], just to trigger her to enter the state. For me at least, my issue isn't with her nature or the possibility of resembling Bra, (but for the record, Caulifla is kinda cool with her punk nature, something to be set different from the norm) but the transformation to SS. A half human half [double] saiyan hybrid getting the form from a tantrum compared to back tingles; sure back tingles could explain what the sensation is like, but to compare the two ascensions, a Human-Saiyan hybrid who's got a strong born-from-magic father and throwing a hissy fit, relatively angry [and suspiciously similar to TFS Vegeta now that I think about it], I'd have to put that higher on the scale than being told from a Chibi Vegeta how to have back tingles when said Chibi was originally threatened with his family and planet's life on the line. My two Zeni on why I'm "butt hurt" about Caulifla getting SSB. Toriyama: YOU GET SUPER SAIYAN BLUE GOKU, YOU GET SUPER SAIYAN BLUE VEGETA, TRUNKS YOU GET A BROLY-LIKE FORM, GOHAN YOU GET YOUR MYSTIC FORM BACK, AND FOR YOU MISS CAULIFLA, YOU GET ALL THE TRANSFORMATIONS!!!... except for the Green one, that's for the FemBroly that the Westerners like so much online.
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Post by Axalon on Jul 15, 2017 6:04:46 GMT
I just realized. Vegeta. He's so much stronger than Goku currently is it isn't even funny. Remember that cat lady? The one Vegeta defeated? The arena is built out of Kachi Katchin. Stronger and more durable than mere Katchin. Vegeta SHATTERED this when he hit the cat lady. He didn't punch her off the ring. He punched her through the ring (at the very edge) and then consequently out of the arena. It's amazing that he didn't accidentally kill her, given the force he just used. This was in his BASE form. The moment in question: Meanwhile, with Goku...
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Post by R I P I R I U S on Jul 15, 2017 13:52:54 GMT
I just realized. Vegeta. He's so much stronger than Goku currently is it isn't even funny. Remember that cat lady? The one Vegeta defeated? The arena is built out of Kachi Katchin. Stronger and more durable than mere Katchin. Vegeta SHATTERED this when he hit the cat lady. He didn't punch her off the ring. He punched her through the ring (at the very edge) and then consequently out of the arena. It's amazing that he didn't accidentally kill her, given the force he just used. This was in his BASE form. The moment in question: Meanwhile, with Goku... Hooly.. so Vegeta > Goku!
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Jul 15, 2017 17:46:25 GMT
I just realized. Vegeta. He's so much stronger than Goku currently is it isn't even funny. Remember that cat lady? The one Vegeta defeated? The arena is built out of Kachi Katchin. Stronger and more durable than mere Katchin. Vegeta SHATTERED this when he hit the cat lady. He didn't punch her off the ring. He punched her through the ring (at the very edge) and then consequently out of the arena. It's amazing that he didn't accidentally kill her, given the force he just used. This was in his BASE form. Was gonna say "Because he's Vegeta" as the Rule of Cool (or Badass?) but for a real explanation, then I'm gonna inquire about the gravity. Hear me out, if the cat lady's home planet gravity is 1x time of Earth and Vegeta is 10x of earth, are his punches "10x stronger" or does that not have any affect on damaging others (and it only affects the user's agility?).
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Post by R I P I R I U S on Jul 15, 2017 18:15:13 GMT
Was gonna say "Because he's Vegeta" as the Rule of Cool (or Badass?) but for a real explanation, then I'm gonna inquire about the gravity. Hear me out, if the cat lady's home planet gravity is 1x time of Earth and Vegeta is 10x of earth, are his punches "10x stronger" or does that not have any affect on damaging others (and it only affects the user's agility?). I think it only effects how they feel when they fight. Basically everyone is fighting as if they've lived in the same place with the same gravity, so I'd have to assume that fighters who grew up with heavy gravity don't get an advantage.
Yup, you are right. That's what its supposed to be.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Jul 15, 2017 19:50:44 GMT
Was gonna say "Because he's Vegeta" as the Rule of Cool (or Badass?) but for a real explanation, then I'm gonna inquire about the gravity. Hear me out, if the cat lady's home planet gravity is 1x time of Earth and Vegeta is 10x of earth, are his punches "10x stronger" or does that not have any affect on damaging others (and it only affects the user's agility?). I think it only effects affects how they feel when they fight. Basically everyone is fighting as if they've lived in the same place with the same gravity, so I'd have to assume that fighters who grew up with heavy gravity don't get an advantage.
FTFY Still doesn't answer Axalon's original question to which I'm just gonna say "Fuck this shit, always go for Rule of Cool instead of trying to justify Super."
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Post by Axalon on Jul 15, 2017 19:53:30 GMT
I think it only effects affects how they feel when they fight. Basically everyone is fighting as if they've lived in the same place with the same gravity, so I'd have to assume that fighters who grew up with heavy gravity don't get an advantage.
FTFY Still doesn't answer Axalon's original question to which I'm just gonna say "Fuck this shit, always go for Rule of Cool instead of trying to justify Super." What original question is this that I had?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 15, 2017 20:12:45 GMT
FTFY Still doesn't answer Axalon's original question to which I'm just gonna say "Fuck this shit, always go for Rule of Cool instead of trying to justify Super." What original question is this that I had? Something about Vegeta breaking the Duper-Kachin Metal. Thing is, if Vegeta managed to punch so hard he broke the ring, wouldn't the catgirl's bones be so strong as to remain unharmed and only a bit sore afterwards? Did she receive an adamantium-bonding like wolverine did? Hell, the trio de crackheads looked far more hurt than any of the rest of the weaklings including the catgirl (this one should have been the one with most damage or even dead).
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