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Post by animeality on May 8, 2019 22:50:46 GMT
Well DBM already had an answer to this question, but I wanted to know how others interpreted this power. In Dragonball, and Z, and Super, and Xenoverse the question is never answered because Ginyu's Body Change never misses. But, like, there have to be limitations somewhere. Does it act like an ordinary beam? Is it a special kind of ki like god ki with its own properties? I had a few theories: - It's like DBM where Ginyu can change the direction of the beam as though it were regular ki, as long as he can say "CHANGE" you're basically screwed
** if this is the case then the beam can be deflected with another ki attack
** or it can't in which case it's an unblockable attack - It can only be activated when Ginyu has a clear shot
- It can miss but Ginyu will be fine and his soul will merely "come back"
- It can miss, but Ginyu will die since his "soul" and "consciousness" is leaving his body and firing off into the ether
- It will keep on traveling until it hits something
Then I got to wondering about what it could and couldn't affect. - Super would probably say that he can't affect beings of a higher power level - but that'd be BS because Goku was stronger than him
- He never used it on Frieza - was Frieza too strong, too smart, or was Ginyu too loyal? We see in DBM that this is no longer the case but he instead goes after King Cold.
- We see Vegeta almost get hit by it twice - both times he's seemingly aware that Ginyu has switched places with Goku, but he's rocketing toward Ginyu at such a speed that he appears to be incapable of dodging, or deflecting the attack
Thoughts?
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Post by Axalon on May 11, 2019 21:52:43 GMT
The way I see Ginyu's Change Beam working: - If it hits nothing, it dissipates. Ginyu's soul never leaves. - Only when it hits another person does the soul swap actually occur, and this is the only time Ginyu's soul leaves. - Super would probably say that he can't affect beings of a higher power level - but that'd be BS because Goku was stronger than him
An argument could be made that he was actually stronger than Goku at the time he used it, due to Goku only being stronger than him when using the Kaioken technique, which he wasn't using all the time, only in bursts. Without it, Ginyu outclasses Goku by a significant margin. This, however, is irrelevant, as Super actually de-confirms this pretty hard since Frog Ginyu was able to swap with Tagoma. Ginyu is likely too loyal. He seems to love his current place in life as the most elite fighter under Frieza's command where he gets to come up with cool poses for his group to do.
Seems like a case where Vegeta's overconfidence simply gets the better of him. A near-dead Goku on the ground is able to react to Ginyu's beam and throw a frog to intercept it before the beam can hit Vegeta. If Goku can do that, Vegeta should have more than enough time to get out of the way. |
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Post by supergojita3 on Apr 6, 2020 3:47:44 GMT
The way I see Ginyu's Change Beam working: - If it hits nothing, it dissipates. Ginyu's soul never leaves. - Only when it hits another person does the soul swap actually occur, and this is the only time Ginyu's soul leaves. - Super would probably say that he can't affect beings of a higher power level - but that'd be BS because Goku was stronger than him
An argument could be made that he was actually stronger than Goku at the time he used it, due to Goku only being stronger than him when using the Kaioken technique, which he wasn't using all the time, only in bursts. Without it, Ginyu outclasses Goku by a significant margin. This, however, is irrelevant, as Super actually de-confirms this pretty hard since Frog Ginyu was able to swap with Tagoma. Ginyu is likely too loyal. He seems to love his current place in life as the most elite fighter under Frieza's command where he gets to come up with cool poses for his group to do.
Seems like a case where Vegeta's overconfidence simply gets the better of him. A near-dead Goku on the ground is able to react to Ginyu's beam and throw a frog to intercept it before the beam can hit Vegeta. If Goku can do that, Vegeta should have more than enough time to get out of the way. as for not working on stronger guys, as a frog, he was weaker than tagoma, and he was weaker than bulma. one was filler, the other was a shitty movie retelling. |
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Post by Axalon on Apr 8, 2020 2:07:43 GMT
The way I see Ginyu's Change Beam working: - If it hits nothing, it dissipates. Ginyu's soul never leaves. - Only when it hits another person does the soul swap actually occur, and this is the only time Ginyu's soul leaves. An argument could be made that he was actually stronger than Goku at the time he used it, due to Goku only being stronger than him when using the Kaioken technique, which he wasn't using all the time, only in bursts. Without it, Ginyu outclasses Goku by a significant margin. This, however, is irrelevant, as Super actually de-confirms this pretty hard since Frog Ginyu was able to swap with Tagoma. Ginyu is likely too loyal. He seems to love his current place in life as the most elite fighter under Frieza's command where he gets to come up with cool poses for his group to do.
Seems like a case where Vegeta's overconfidence simply gets the better of him. A near-dead Goku on the ground is able to react to Ginyu's beam and throw a frog to intercept it before the beam can hit Vegeta. If Goku can do that, Vegeta should have more than enough time to get out of the way. as for not working on stronger guys, as a frog, he was weaker than tagoma, and he was weaker than bulma. one was filler, the other was a shitty movie retelling. Yes. That is what I said. |
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Post by supergojita3 on Apr 8, 2020 3:45:24 GMT
as for not working on stronger guys, as a frog, he was weaker than tagoma, and he was weaker than bulma. one was filler, the other was a shitty movie retelling. Yes. That is what I said. ah/ indeed you did. I must have misread that part from being too tired. Carry on. |
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Post by Eldagusto on Apr 9, 2020 5:31:18 GMT
I think a miss means nothing unless it hits a frog or something, what are the odds of that though?
But I don't think he shoots his soul, I think its like a spell or psychic power that shoots a vehicle for an effect that only triggers when it hits a body with a soul and then the shift is nigh instantaneous once triggered.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Apr 9, 2020 11:51:22 GMT
I think a miss means nothing unless it hits a frog or something, what are the odds of that though? But I don't think he shoots his soul, I think its like a spell or psychic power that shoots a vehicle for an effect that only triggers when it hits a body with a soul and then the shift is nigh instantaneous once triggered.
How does the "vehicle" work? Is it time limit based? If no time limit could it go on for years and then outta the blue Ginyu finds himself in a new body?
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Post by Eldagusto on Apr 9, 2020 14:33:39 GMT
I assume it has a distance limit otherwise he is doomed when the beam goes into space. I imagine the beam has to hit someone, like make contact with the soul, or maybe it has a membrane that gets triggered when a vessel passes into it.
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Post by Eldagusto on Apr 10, 2020 7:56:47 GMT
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