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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 5, 2019 0:33:39 GMT
So I was making a comment on a post on MasakoX's Reddit that required me to kinda figure out how much Ki pts roughly per human that Cell gains when he absorbed humans as Imperfect Cell to be able to be strong enough to easily overpower C17 & C18 in order to absorb them without any difficulties. I actually came up with an impressive amount by assuming maybe Gingertown had 1 million people and if they all had PL 10 (the max for an average adult human) that that would only be 10 million PL, so the biomass converted to Ki must be most of the energy he gained since to fight Piccolo (post-Kami assimilation) he'd probably need in the 800 million to 1 billion PL range cuz I'm assuming Piccolo at that point was around 1 billion given that Namek Saga SSJ Goku was at 150 million and the amount of power that those that fought 18 must've had combined must be around 800 million or so meaning if Piccolo is stronger than them combined he must be in the 1 billion range and that's just a conservative guesstimation.
If Imperfect Cell at Gingertown was at 800 million then that means the biomass of those 1 million must've accounted for 790 million (most likely more since I doubt every Gingertown adult resident had the max average human PL for an average adult and there also had to be children and babies in Gingertown too). Well do the math and that means if everyone gave 10 million total in their body's normal Ki reserves that they're biomass must've given about 790 each. So the average human biomass at conservative estimates would be in the 800 Ki pts range. That's pretty impressive if you think about it.
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Post by Son Pan on Sept 28, 2019 4:40:57 GMT
I tend to think the biomass isn't directly tied to power levels. I don't think Cell would have gotten as strong as he did if that was the case. He hit towns first that likely wouldn't have millions of people out of the gate. Plus we also have to remember Cell came from the alternate future world where 17 and 18 killed most of the people. There couldn't have been a lot of people for him to absorb in the first place to get as strong as he was to kill Trunks let alone his 17 and 18. I think the biomass only unlocks more of Cell's complete/perfected power.
We know Gero's original design for Cell was the Perfect form right out of the gate, but he couldn't make that right off the bat. My guess is technology he had just wasn't up to snuff for that yet, so he worked around it by designing the Imperfect Cell form that we were introduced to and he was designed to absorb biomass, so he could absorb 17 and 18 to achieve its perfected stage. I don't think Cell's absorption is like 19 and 20 where they are absorbing power level directly or converting biomass into ki exactly. Really it works on something like if Cell absorbs 100,000 people with an average power level ranging anywhere from 1 to 20 it may awaken small percentage of Perfect Cell's original power level.
I can't remember if this was only said in the English dub or not, but when Cell first fought Piccolo he said there wasn't enough people in that town to awaken his full power and that is why he was losing. That line stuck out to me, because it really hits home that Cell isn't absorbing people to add to his power, but absorbing them to unlock more of his full power. It kind of makes since given once Cell reaches his perfected stage as intended why the tail no longer is used to absorb biomass to grant Cell more power (if he could do that he would have tried to stick Gohan with it to gain more power).
Maybe it is not so much converting biomass into ki, but unlocking more of Cell perfected power.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 28, 2019 7:26:17 GMT
Maybe it is not so much converting biomass into ki, but unlocking more of Cell perfected power.
That makes sense I guess. Though the line about awakening his full power either could've just been an anime sub &/or dub thing (no idea if it was since I have only read sections of the manga when I was trying to find out what is canon and non-canon extra scenes/dialogue added to the anime to pad it out more). Even if it was what he actually said in the manga, technically you could interpret it the way you did OR you could interpret it as him meaning awakening to mean returning to his full power of his Imperfect form.
Honestly either way in terms of the series it really doesn't matter either way, but for the case of it not being your interpretation, I think it makes too much sense that the biomass converted to Ki would be a lot and likely even if that is the case is probably not something Toriyama even thought about as it's likely he even forgot about average human PLs for full grown adults maxing out at 10. Toriyama after all could've just thought average human PLs were much higher than 10 at the time he came up with Cell and just thought Cell was absorbing all their Ki and adding it to his PL so that he'd be a little weaker than The Namek (Kamicolo; later chosen to stick with the name Piccolo to make it easier on his friends and stolen son). After all it wouldn't be the first time Toriyama forgot something he'd previously had be stated as fact earlier in the series and then later completely forgot about it. Hell he even forgot about the existence of Launch and only shoehorned her back in as a cameo when Goku was gathering Ki energy for the Spirit Bomb to be used against Kid Buu (also not even sure if that shoehorned cameo happened in the manga OR if it was Toei shoehorning her back in as a cameo).
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Post by supergojita3 on Oct 10, 2019 22:25:18 GMT
The xenoverse games for mentor cell suggests his power up was based on piccolos merger ability, sort of. He absorbed the humans and powered up more so than their base power in a sense.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Oct 13, 2019 4:28:51 GMT
The xenoverse games for mentor cell suggests his power up was based on piccolos merger ability, sort of. He absorbed the humans and powered up more so than their base power in a sense.
That I guess kinda sorta makes sense tho not quite since Piccolo's Namekian fusion while it is an assimilation it does happen thru both parties agreeing to the merger and one placing their hand on the other to start the process, which is more assimilation than an actual fusion since it's more like one person is absorbing the other with both agreeing to the procedure happening. I think Cell's being non-voluntary and his being more like him drinking the other thru his tail like his tail is some sorta straw, than just an assimilation where the assimilated just vanishes upon becoming part of the other participant in the Namekian "Fusion".
I think the only things from the DB games that wasn't already said in the original series that could possibly be added to canon is maybe the whole God Ki makes you immune to mind control. As for everything else it's pure non-canon and probably always will be cuz video games and how they are almost always non-canon for a series with exception of how I guess you could say that the Steins;Gate visual novels are canon since they are technically the source material the anime adaption came from.
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