Semi Fun. Cell Saga Power Level Calculations.
Oct 4, 2019 14:42:00 GMT
Post by squirz96 on Oct 4, 2019 14:42:00 GMT
Trying to Calculate Android/Cell Saga Power Levels.
I know, I know power levels are crap and no one likes them. It is just for fun to calculate them.
Here are the Rules:
Transformations:
SSJ = 50xBase
ASSJ = 75xBase
FPSSJ = 50xBase – Endurance Cost.
SSJ2 = 2xSSJ.
USSJ = 3xSSJ → While being stronger than SSJ2, SSJ2 and FPSSJ have endurance and speed advantage.
Percentage Differences Between Fighters:
1-10% → Slight advantage, weaker fighter could still win by having better skill set and endurance.
11-30% → Goku was 25% stronger than Frieza when he first transformed to SSJ and he got quite the advantage over him. If not his sayian instincts and the fact that he transformed for the first time the over all fight advantage. Medium Advatage but if another opponent with the same power level as your first appears, you would have more difficulties. Especially if they are skilled fighters.
31-49% → Quarter Killing Zone. Unless the opponent has some trick upon their sleeves, you could dominate them. Yet you would not be able to one shot them or even two shot them.
50-75% → Semi Killing Zone. SSJ2 Gohan would be somewhat in the middle of this during his fight with Cell. About 60%. While he dominated Cell in just two punches he haven’t killed him instantly.
76-100+% → Killing Zone. < 1% chance of beating stronger opponent if you are weaker one.
Another thing in mind this is Anime Only.
Future Trunks Arrival:
Mecha Frieza: 180 000 000. While Frieza is narcissistic and over states his own abilities, he was most likely was stronger than Namek Saga SSJ Goku. So I give him 20% advantage.
King Cold: 190 000 000. Was he stronger or slightly weaker than his son doesn’t matter. Either way advantage between the two was not significantly different.
Future Trunks SSJ: 240 000 000. He easily dispatched both of them and since neither of them where super skilled I only give him 33% advantage over Mecha Frieza.
Future Trunks Base: 4 800 000
SSJ Goku: 300 000 000. Clearly stronger than F Trunks as he stopped his sword swings with just one finger.
Base Goku: 6 000 000.
3 Year Time Skip.
Now this is where most of calculations tend to go off rails. Not promise that mine would not go. So before I go, here is training rule:
This rule works only if:
a) Compared characters have same biology and neither of them have considerable genetic advantage.
b) Time spend training. If A trained 50% more time than B had it just doesn’t work. Less difference in time spend training, more accurate this would be.
c) Environment. 1 year in ROSAT >> 1 year in Earth.
Training Power Up Rule:
a) First time has the biggest advantage compared to second or third times. This is even true in our reality as new type of training for the first time puts more tension in your muscles. This rules states this that if (n-1) = 100% than n = 75%. Aka first time = 100%, second = 75%, 56.25%.
b) Training partners gives advantage over none training partners even if those training partners are weaker than you are.
Here is what advantage it gives while comparing yours and your partners power level differences:
>+50% → 1.1x
>+25+<+50 % → 1.25x
<+25% → 1.3x
>-25% → 1.5x
>-50% and more → 2x
This would have been based on their bases. Piccolo would be strongest one, while SSJ Goku could easily dominate him, Piccolo was most likely stronger than base Goku.
Base Gohan → Had two training partners that where stronger than him. He might have even trained a little bit less yet I still give him 1.5x advantage. If 1 year of intense training on earth = 2x boost without using any training equipment or hardcore environment this is how Golan's power grew:
1 year: 8 640 000 = 3 200 000x2x1.5x0.9. Now 0.9 comes from the fact that most likely he haven’t trained same amount as his dad and Piccolo. Chi Chi, studies, etc.
2 year: 8 640 000 x 2 x 1.5 x 0.75 x 0.9 = 17 496 000
3 year: 17 496 000 x 2 x 1.5 x 0.75 x 0.75 x 0.75 = 26 572 050.
Goku Base: 34 543 665. I still give him 30% advantage over Gohan.
Piccolo: 103 630 995. You might ask why 3x over Base Goku? I tend to believe that in last months of training Goku began using SSJ against Piccolo more frequently. Besides he was sure he could defeat Dr Gero, so 100M could be even low balling.
SSJ Goku (No Heart Virus infected and 100% Energy): 1 727 183 250.
SSJ Goku Heart Virus + Energy Absorbed. → 1 036 309 950
Android 19 Pre Absorption: 700 000 000
Android 19 After Absorption: 1 200 000 000
SSJ Vegeta: 1 850 000 000. Was stated that he was slightly stronger than Goku by Piccolo. Many claim that this is comparison between Hear Virus infected Goku and Vegeta. I believe this is Piccolo’s comparison between the last time he trained with Goku, not virus infected one.
You know what I already f-up. I had no intention to reach billions this early, so this is update.
Gohan only gets 1.25x
Gohan: 3 200 000 → 7 200 000 → 12 150 000 → 15 377 344
Goku: 19 990 547.
Piccolo: 120 000 000. I give him Full Power Frieza as his power right now.
SSJ Goku No Sickness: 999 527 350.
SSJ Goku Sick: 599 716 410
SSJ Vegeta: 1 050 000 000.
Android 19 Energy Absorbed: 700 000 000.
Future Trunks: 800 000 000.
Others: 100k – 1M
Androids 16, 17 and 18 are activated.
Android 18: 1 470 000 000. 40% advantage over Vegeta as of SSJ.
Piccolo Fuses with Kami: 1 800 000 000. Namek Stronger than Super Sayians. He fought equally against Android 17 who is stronger than Android 18.
Android 17: 1 750 000 000. I put him slightly weaker than Piccolo. Yet he has huge endurance advantage.
Imperfect Cell Introduced: 1 200 000 000. Still needed to absorb humans, so he was most likely weaker.
Imperfect Cell vs Android 16,17 and 18: 3 150 000 000. Seriously he dominated all four of them like kids. 75%+ difference between him and Piccolo is reasonable.
Android 16: 2 520 000 000. Revealed to be strongest of android trio. \
Semi Perfect Cell Arc:
Semi Perfect Cell = 5 500 000 000.
Vegeta Base Pre Rosat: 21 000 000.
Trunks Base Pre Rosat: 15 000 000.
Vegeta Base After Rosat: 105 000 000. He trained more than for a year. He bathed in training. My suggestion is that both he and Trunks for the first time trained for 14 months.
Trunks Base After Rosat: 100 000 000.
SSJ Vegeta: 5 250 000 000.
ASSJ Vegeta: 7 875 000 000.
SSJ Trunks: 5 000 000 000.
ASSJ Trunks: 7 500 000 000.
Goku and Gohan ROSAT Training:
Now this is difficult one for the number of reasons:
a) We don’t know exact number of months they had trained.
b) Gohan was weaker one when he arrived. When his power was relatively as strong as Goku’s? Aka when they reached equal level.
My possible answer to question A is 10 months. They emerged earlier than 1 year should have passed. Six was definitely no. They would have emerged at night time. It was a day.
For answer B we are dividing into two parts. 5 and 5. Goku at first did not used his full strength and haven’t pushed his Son till Gohan had begged him.
Goku and Vegeta have both Sayian biology so their potential is relatively same.
Vegeta in 14 months: 5x
Goku in 10 months: 3,5x → 10x since he has “plot and main character armor” Bear in mind this is without training partner. Vegeta’s mistake was not using Trunks as his training partner.
Goku in 5 months without training partner; 5x
Goku was 30% stronger than Gohan when they began their training: 5x1.25 = 6.25x.
Their power equalized after fifth month. I am using <+25% so x 5x1.3x = 6.5x.
So Goku in ROSAT got 12.75 times stronger. I know that this sounds a lot yet bear in mind these factors:
a) Goku was weaker than Vegeta when he began his training.
b) Goku seriously trained with Gohan.
c) Vegeta could have over trained himself.
Perfect Cell is Born/Cell Games:
FPSSJ Goku = ~ 12 750 000 000.
USSJ Trunks = 15 000 000 000
Vegeta after 2nd time in ROSAT SSJ: 10 200 000 000. Less time spend training and slight demotivation.
Cell During his fight with Goku: 14 000 000 000.
Gohan FPSSJ: 14 025 000 000. He used 11 000 000 00. Since he wasn’t sure of himself.
Cell Jrs: 15 000 000 000 each.
Gohan SSJ2: 28 050 000 000
Cell Full Power: 18 000 000 000.
Gohan SSJ2 After Loosing Armor: 23 842 500 000. Seriously who thinks that loosing your arm you lose 50% of your power?
Enraged SSJ Vegeta: 11 500 000 000.
Super Perfect Cell: 26 000 000 00. But Muh Gohan defeated him.
Kamehameha Between Gohan and Cell: 100 000 000.
Amount of Kamehameha that Gohan was pushing towards Cell: 45B. Gohan lost his father and Cell was super motivated. So yes it gave him disadvantage.
Cell Before Vegeta’s distraction: 55B.
Vegeta distracts Cell and Gohan is boosted by Goku’s encourage:
Gohan pushes: 60B
Cell pushes: 40B.
The end.
In reality this was to show how absurd is to calculate power levels even if you try to establish rules how power grows over the years. To be honest arrival of Trunks power levels where most likely to be most accurate in this list. The more time skips, the more unknown variables and the more likely for miscalculations. I tried to use reasonable amount of calculations. I somewhere seen that some claim that Cell is 900M which would be absurd that he was only 6x times stronger than Namek Saga SSJ Goku.
I also started with “official” power list that we got.
I know, I know power levels are crap and no one likes them. It is just for fun to calculate them.
Here are the Rules:
Transformations:
SSJ = 50xBase
ASSJ = 75xBase
FPSSJ = 50xBase – Endurance Cost.
SSJ2 = 2xSSJ.
USSJ = 3xSSJ → While being stronger than SSJ2, SSJ2 and FPSSJ have endurance and speed advantage.
Percentage Differences Between Fighters:
1-10% → Slight advantage, weaker fighter could still win by having better skill set and endurance.
11-30% → Goku was 25% stronger than Frieza when he first transformed to SSJ and he got quite the advantage over him. If not his sayian instincts and the fact that he transformed for the first time the over all fight advantage. Medium Advatage but if another opponent with the same power level as your first appears, you would have more difficulties. Especially if they are skilled fighters.
31-49% → Quarter Killing Zone. Unless the opponent has some trick upon their sleeves, you could dominate them. Yet you would not be able to one shot them or even two shot them.
50-75% → Semi Killing Zone. SSJ2 Gohan would be somewhat in the middle of this during his fight with Cell. About 60%. While he dominated Cell in just two punches he haven’t killed him instantly.
76-100+% → Killing Zone. < 1% chance of beating stronger opponent if you are weaker one.
Another thing in mind this is Anime Only.
Future Trunks Arrival:
Mecha Frieza: 180 000 000. While Frieza is narcissistic and over states his own abilities, he was most likely was stronger than Namek Saga SSJ Goku. So I give him 20% advantage.
King Cold: 190 000 000. Was he stronger or slightly weaker than his son doesn’t matter. Either way advantage between the two was not significantly different.
Future Trunks SSJ: 240 000 000. He easily dispatched both of them and since neither of them where super skilled I only give him 33% advantage over Mecha Frieza.
Future Trunks Base: 4 800 000
SSJ Goku: 300 000 000. Clearly stronger than F Trunks as he stopped his sword swings with just one finger.
Base Goku: 6 000 000.
Gohan: 3 200 000
Now this is where most of calculations tend to go off rails. Not promise that mine would not go. So before I go, here is training rule:
This rule works only if:
a) Compared characters have same biology and neither of them have considerable genetic advantage.
b) Time spend training. If A trained 50% more time than B had it just doesn’t work. Less difference in time spend training, more accurate this would be.
c) Environment. 1 year in ROSAT >> 1 year in Earth.
Training Power Up Rule:
a) First time has the biggest advantage compared to second or third times. This is even true in our reality as new type of training for the first time puts more tension in your muscles. This rules states this that if (n-1) = 100% than n = 75%. Aka first time = 100%, second = 75%, 56.25%.
b) Training partners gives advantage over none training partners even if those training partners are weaker than you are.
Here is what advantage it gives while comparing yours and your partners power level differences:
>+50% → 1.1x
>+25+<+50 % → 1.25x
<+25% → 1.3x
>-25% → 1.5x
>-50% and more → 2x
Goku, Piccolo and Gohan.
Base Gohan → Had two training partners that where stronger than him. He might have even trained a little bit less yet I still give him 1.5x advantage. If 1 year of intense training on earth = 2x boost without using any training equipment or hardcore environment this is how Golan's power grew:
1 year: 8 640 000 = 3 200 000x2x1.5x0.9. Now 0.9 comes from the fact that most likely he haven’t trained same amount as his dad and Piccolo. Chi Chi, studies, etc.
2 year: 8 640 000 x 2 x 1.5 x 0.75 x 0.9 = 17 496 000
3 year: 17 496 000 x 2 x 1.5 x 0.75 x 0.75 x 0.75 = 26 572 050.
Goku Base: 34 543 665. I still give him 30% advantage over Gohan.
Piccolo: 103 630 995. You might ask why 3x over Base Goku? I tend to believe that in last months of training Goku began using SSJ against Piccolo more frequently. Besides he was sure he could defeat Dr Gero, so 100M could be even low balling.
SSJ Goku (No Heart Virus infected and 100% Energy): 1 727 183 250.
SSJ Goku Heart Virus + Energy Absorbed. → 1 036 309 950
Android 19 Pre Absorption: 700 000 000
Android 19 After Absorption: 1 200 000 000
SSJ Vegeta: 1 850 000 000. Was stated that he was slightly stronger than Goku by Piccolo. Many claim that this is comparison between Hear Virus infected Goku and Vegeta. I believe this is Piccolo’s comparison between the last time he trained with Goku, not virus infected one.
You know what I already f-up. I had no intention to reach billions this early, so this is update.
Gohan only gets 1.25x
Gohan: 3 200 000 → 7 200 000 → 12 150 000 → 15 377 344
Goku: 19 990 547.
Piccolo: 120 000 000. I give him Full Power Frieza as his power right now.
SSJ Goku No Sickness: 999 527 350.
SSJ Goku Sick: 599 716 410
SSJ Vegeta: 1 050 000 000.
Android 19 Energy Absorbed: 700 000 000.
Future Trunks: 800 000 000.
Others: 100k – 1M
Androids 16, 17 and 18 are activated.
Android 18: 1 470 000 000. 40% advantage over Vegeta as of SSJ.
Piccolo Fuses with Kami: 1 800 000 000. Namek Stronger than Super Sayians. He fought equally against Android 17 who is stronger than Android 18.
Android 17: 1 750 000 000. I put him slightly weaker than Piccolo. Yet he has huge endurance advantage.
Imperfect Cell Introduced: 1 200 000 000. Still needed to absorb humans, so he was most likely weaker.
Imperfect Cell vs Android 16,17 and 18: 3 150 000 000. Seriously he dominated all four of them like kids. 75%+ difference between him and Piccolo is reasonable.
Android 16: 2 520 000 000. Revealed to be strongest of android trio. \
Others: Relatively the same.
Semi Perfect Cell = 5 500 000 000.
Vegeta Base Pre Rosat: 21 000 000.
Trunks Base Pre Rosat: 15 000 000.
Vegeta Base After Rosat: 105 000 000. He trained more than for a year. He bathed in training. My suggestion is that both he and Trunks for the first time trained for 14 months.
Trunks Base After Rosat: 100 000 000.
SSJ Vegeta: 5 250 000 000.
ASSJ Vegeta: 7 875 000 000.
SSJ Trunks: 5 000 000 000.
ASSJ Trunks: 7 500 000 000.
Goku and Gohan ROSAT Training:
Now this is difficult one for the number of reasons:
a) We don’t know exact number of months they had trained.
b) Gohan was weaker one when he arrived. When his power was relatively as strong as Goku’s? Aka when they reached equal level.
My possible answer to question A is 10 months. They emerged earlier than 1 year should have passed. Six was definitely no. They would have emerged at night time. It was a day.
For answer B we are dividing into two parts. 5 and 5. Goku at first did not used his full strength and haven’t pushed his Son till Gohan had begged him.
Goku and Vegeta have both Sayian biology so their potential is relatively same.
Vegeta in 14 months: 5x
Goku in 10 months: 3,5x → 10x since he has “plot and main character armor” Bear in mind this is without training partner. Vegeta’s mistake was not using Trunks as his training partner.
Goku in 5 months without training partner; 5x
Goku was 30% stronger than Gohan when they began their training: 5x1.25 = 6.25x.
Their power equalized after fifth month. I am using <+25% so x 5x1.3x = 6.5x.
So Goku in ROSAT got 12.75 times stronger. I know that this sounds a lot yet bear in mind these factors:
a) Goku was weaker than Vegeta when he began his training.
b) Goku seriously trained with Gohan.
c) Vegeta could have over trained himself.
d) Vegeta was still weaker than Goku after his second visit to ROSAT.
FPSSJ Goku = ~ 12 750 000 000.
USSJ Trunks = 15 000 000 000
Vegeta after 2nd time in ROSAT SSJ: 10 200 000 000. Less time spend training and slight demotivation.
Cell During his fight with Goku: 14 000 000 000.
Gohan FPSSJ: 14 025 000 000. He used 11 000 000 00. Since he wasn’t sure of himself.
Cell Jrs: 15 000 000 000 each.
Gohan SSJ2: 28 050 000 000
Cell Full Power: 18 000 000 000.
Gohan SSJ2 After Loosing Armor: 23 842 500 000. Seriously who thinks that loosing your arm you lose 50% of your power?
Enraged SSJ Vegeta: 11 500 000 000.
Super Perfect Cell: 26 000 000 00. But Muh Gohan defeated him.
Kamehameha Between Gohan and Cell: 100 000 000.
Amount of Kamehameha that Gohan was pushing towards Cell: 45B. Gohan lost his father and Cell was super motivated. So yes it gave him disadvantage.
Cell Before Vegeta’s distraction: 55B.
Vegeta distracts Cell and Gohan is boosted by Goku’s encourage:
Gohan pushes: 60B
Cell pushes: 40B.
In reality this was to show how absurd is to calculate power levels even if you try to establish rules how power grows over the years. To be honest arrival of Trunks power levels where most likely to be most accurate in this list. The more time skips, the more unknown variables and the more likely for miscalculations. I tried to use reasonable amount of calculations. I somewhere seen that some claim that Cell is 900M which would be absurd that he was only 6x times stronger than Namek Saga SSJ Goku.
I also started with “official” power list that we got.