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Post by whatever on Sept 29, 2016 0:09:24 GMT
This is so confusing, with so many Buus and so much bad writing at that saga. I have formed a theory which i think makes the most sense.
Rules: -All Buu's absorptions are additive power ups, since it has never been stated otherwise. Only exception is Dai Kai; because of his meek nature, absorbing him acts subtractively. -South Kai is his anime haxed self. -There are three Fat Buus; all of them have the same appearance, but different powers: Majin Buu (the fatso that comes out of the egg), Good Buu (Majin Buu after expelling evil) and Mister Buu (the fatso that Kid Buu spat out)
1. In the beginning, Kid Buu absorbs South Kai and turns to Buffed Buu... Kid Buu= 100 South Kai= 100 Buffed Buu= Kid Buu + South Kai= 200
2. Buffed Buu absorbs Dai Kai and turns to Majin Buu; he has all Super Buu's power, but, because of his sweet nature, cannot access it all if he doesn't get angry enough... Dai Kai= 15 Majin Buu= Buffed Buu - Dai Kai= 185 Majin Buu (useable power)= 90
3. South Kai had some evil in him, like most good people have. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't evil, he was just not a person that could ride Nimbus... South Kai (good part)- 95 South Kai (evil part)- 5
4. When Majin Buu's anger reaches its peak, he splits into Good Buu and Grey Buu. Good Buu takes all Majin Buu's good and Grey Buu takes all Majin Buu's evil. When they refuse, Grey Buu being the main personality this time, the total power does not change, it is just rearranged. Because of his nature, Super Buu can access all of Majin Buu's power without needing anger. Good Buu= South Kai (good part) - Dai Kai (remember Dai's power acts as a subtraction)= 80 Grey Buu= Kid Buu + South Kai (evil part)= 105 Super Buu= 185
5. The fatso Goku/Vegeta find in the coocoon is Mister Buu; he consists of both Kais Kid Buu has absorbed, so the coocoon's removal causes Kid Buu to reappear... Kid Buu= 100 Mister Buu= South Kai - Dai Kai= 85
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Post by Jaquan on Sept 29, 2016 5:30:28 GMT
I think you're just overthinking stuff (no offense meant). I believe the main difference between Fat But and Super But is the former more chaotic and innocent nature. And I don't think that Daikaioshin lowered Buu's overall power. As you mention his gentle nature influenced But making him into innocent kid rather than destructive one which made him slightly less dangerous. Super Buu had overall most focused mind which coupled with his evil being dominate part of it made him this much more dangerous even if overall power was same.
And was writing of that saga this bad? I didn't see that much difference over Cell saga. At least this time we actually had single villain who got stronger rather than. "OK the androids weren't that bad. What those weren't the one who destroyed future? OK those are the ones we need to kill. What? They're not that evil? This guy is evil? Who the heck he even is?" No seriously due to struggle between Toriyama and his editors Cell saga was a mess of a plot to bear. Yes Buu arc did introduce more flashy transformations but overall was bot easier to follow
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 29, 2016 18:40:26 GMT
JaquanI guess I'm guilty of overthinking this stuff too, then Just because I know Toriyama didn't think this through doesn't mean that I don't spend time trying to find explanations for it. whateverIt never made sense to me that Fat Buu splitting and coming back together would somehow make him stronger. My headcanon is pretty similar to yours. Absorbing Dai Kaioshin didn't weaken Buu, but limited his power; Fat Buu actually is as strong as Super Buu, but with such a large chunk of his power locked away (Gohan-style) that he can't beat a SS3. It was only until Super Buu, when the evil side became fully dominant, that all that dormant power could be used. I think you have a good point in guessing there's a difference between Good Buu and Mr. Buu. To me, this's the best way to explain why Buu became Kid Buu instead of the grey Evil Buu. Good Buu is a manifestation of Buu's goodness (Dai Kaioshin with a little bit of South Kai's) and only appeared once, while Mr. Buu is basically the Dai Kaioshin with a Buu body and is the one at the end of DBZ. So: Super Buu minus Good Buu = Evil Grey Buu. Super Buu minus Mr. Buu = Kid Buu. Mr. Buu =/= Good Buu, though there's almost no difference, and certainly nothing noticeable. Mr. Buu < Good Buu. As for strengths: Fat Buu's potential = Super Buu's potential. Mr. Buu < Good Buu < Fat Buu's fighting strength < Kid Buu < Evil Grey Buu < Super Buu.
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Post by Jaquan on Sept 29, 2016 20:20:45 GMT
I never said it's bad trait. But whole subtraction theory was just a bit overdoing it even for my standards.
You see Skinny Buu wasn't equal to Kid Buu. Kid Buu was physical base form. He was there at the beginning as a being of Pure Evil and Pure Chaos. Skinny Buu is result of Fission. Buu didn't remove anyone he absorbed from his body. He removed the outburst of negative emotions he suffered after Mr Satan was shot. I know it sounds complicated but the point is that while Kid Buu is physical being Skinny Evil Buu is concentrated wrath given form. To be fair I could say that Skinny Buu and Fat Buu were equal in terms of power. The difference in their nature was enough to give Skinny Buu advantage over Fat one. In the end even when their power is even the one with more violent nature will be far less reserved about using his or her power. Similar thing happened years later with Mr Buu when due to reading Satan's Naughty Book he developed deep need of partner which resulted in him splitting into male and female.
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Post by Ashanark on Sept 29, 2016 22:42:04 GMT
I never said it's bad trait. But whole subtraction theory was just a bit overdoing it even for my standards. You see Skinny Buu wasn't equal to Kid Buu. Kid Buu was physical base form. He was there at the beginning as a being of Pure Evil and Pure Chaos. Skinny Buu is result of Fission. Buu didn't remove anyone he absorbed from his body. He removed the outburst of negative emotions he suffered after Mr Satan was shot. I know it sounds complicated but the point is that while Kid Buu is physical being Skinny Evil Buu is concentrated wrath given form. To be fair I could say that Skinny Buu and Fat Buu were equal in terms of power. The difference in their nature was enough to give Skinny Buu advantage over Fat one. In the end even when their power is even the one with more violent nature will be far less reserved about using his or her power. Similar thing happened years later with Mr Buu when due to reading Satan's Naughty Book he developed deep need of partner which resulted in him splitting into male and female. Yeah, things get crazy with numbers. I'd say Skinny Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. The Good Buu vs. Evil Buu fight is only about three pages of manga time, and Good Buu doesn't even land a hit. Kid Buu and Fat Buu, however, are duking it out for maybe three chapters, and Mr. Buu gets a few good blows in.
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Post by Xeno Black on Oct 19, 2016 4:12:36 GMT
I've actually made several bog posts on DBM wiki (check them out by clicking on "Xeno Gotenks" and hitting "blog" to see the full list) and I can honestly say which Buu is the strongest from weakest to the absolute strongest. I'll give you a rough outline of what I'd said in those posts.
10. Fat Buu (Pure Good): This is basically Fat Buu with all of the evil purged from his body. Now while he is still strong enough to fight against SSJ2 opponents (proving by holding his own against Kid Buu), he is absolutely not match for anybody stronger, since his evil half has more than half of his original ki.
9. Evil Buu: Basically the "King Piccolo" version of the original Fat Buu splitting apart, he possess most of the power that the original Fat Buu possessed. Thus he is still weaker compared to his original form, but is obviously capable of still fighting against SSJ2 tier fighters.
8. Fat Buu (Original form): Despite being a transformation of Kid Buu with South Kai absorbed, absorbing a brain-dead Grand Kai (DBM logic btw) lowering his power substantially compared to his original Pure form. Buu is comparable to SSJ3 Goku, but Goku is still capable of killing him when deemed necessary.
7. Kid Buu: The original version of Buu who is strong enough to completely dominate SSJ2 Vegeta, overpower South Kai, and strong enough to wear down and eventually defeat SSJ3 Goku. Despite his great power, Goku both in the anime and manga stated that he could kill Kid Buu if he was at his absolute strongest, thus by default making this Buu significantly weaker than Super Buu.
6. Super Buu: This Buu is basically the original Fat Buu with the evil being dominate. But why is he stronger you ask? Simple, he simply has more access to South Kai and Grand Kai's strength, but their collective goodness and Daikaioh being brain dead prevents him from accessing his true potential. Plus this Buu is stronger than Goku and Vegeta completely, thus needing SSJ3 Gotenks or Ultimate Gohan for assistance.
5. Super Buu (Piccolo Absorbed): Despite having the powers, strength, skills, techniques, and intellect / mindset of Piccolo, he still pales in comparison to Gohan. Yet, he is probably way stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks however.
4. Super Buu (Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks Absorbed): Despite having the additional powers of two Super Saiyans (thus he can use Gotenks techniques), he is still outmatched by Ultimate Gohan.
3. Kid Buu (Southern Supreme Kai Absorbed): Now while this Buu may be slightly weaker compared to Super Buu with Piccolo and the two saiyans absorbed, I believe that this Buu is stronger due to the Kid Buu having complete access to South Kai's full might. For example, South Kai is capable of going toe to toe against Kid Buu, which was portayed better compared to Vegeta's fight against he destructive djinn. Thus, we can infer that South Kai may be slightly stronger than SSJ2 Vegeta, who is stronger than Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks combined.
2. Super Buu (Gotenks and Piccolo Absorbed): Buu is now capable of easily defeating Ultimate Gohan, where is demeanor and raw power makes him my most favorite version of Buu in canon.
1. Super Buu (Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks Absorbed): Is somewhat comparable to base Vegetto in the anime, which is no small feat in case you are wondering.
And that concludes my rough outline on which is the strongest Majin. For more details, go to the DBM Wiki and look at my blogs which goes in deeper depth.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 19, 2016 18:28:23 GMT
Xeno Black I disagree with your order. I'll explain: to me it never made sense that absorbing anyone would actually weaken Buu in real output terms. This comes from the notion that this ability is a defense mechanism used by Buu when he's faced by an opponent he can't beat. Thus, for me, it goes like this from weakest to strongest: 1) Mr Buu that appears after Kid Buu spits him 2) Original Kid Buu 4) Fissed Fat Buu (after expelling his evil wrath) = Evil Grey Buu (but given his evil nature, he uses it far better.) 3) Kid Buu with South Kai absorbed 5) Initial Fat Buu (South Kai Absorbed and Fat Kai absorbed) = Super Buu. However, Super Buu has access to the fullpower potential of his 2 absorbees while Initial Fat Buu is too dumb to use them. 3 6) All Super Buu evolutions (I don't think there should be any debate with these ones) I don't know how to read that "he's getting stronger" sentence. In my headcannon that was just likely a very big slip and shouldn't have been said. It really made no sense that Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu has two absorbees, Buff Buu only one. By pure logic, Super Buu should be stronger. Not mentioning he actually possesses an intellect, which means even more danger.
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 19, 2016 19:12:26 GMT
I don't know how to read that "he's getting stronger" sentence. In my headcannon that was just likely a very big slip and shouldn't have been said. It really made no sense that Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu has two absorbees, Buff Buu only one. By pure logic, Super Buu should be stronger. Not mentioning he actually possesses an intellect, which means even more danger. Complete headcanon: When Goku and Piccolo were both charging their special attacks against Raditz, their PLs shot upward; Piccolo, in particular, was temporarily higher than Raditz at 1330 and could kill him. However, Piccolo clearly wasn't stronger than Raditz, he just happened to have more energy stored in him at that moment. So, I think of the Buff Buu situation this way: Buu, his mind unstable, was releasing the South Kai as smoke. He was expending all of that South Kai energy in one moment, making it look like he was stronger than Super Buu--just like how Piccolo, charging the SPC, looked stronger than Raditz--but it was only a temporary thing. Definitely a headcanon, but the best explanation I can come up with that fits with the statement and what I think about power levels. I agree that Buff Buu with one absorption should not be stronger than Super Buu with two. (And if you think about it, it's a bit like Cell: his Semi-Perfect form was bigger, but the smaller Perfect form was stronger.) I'd be happy to write off that "he's getting stronger" line as Toriyama not thinking things through yet again.
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Post by Xeno Black on Oct 20, 2016 5:41:17 GMT
Xeno Black I disagree with your order. I'll explain: to me it never made sense that absorbing anyone would actually weaken Buu in real output terms. This comes from the notion that this ability is a defense mechanism used by Buu when he's faced by an opponent he can't beat. Thus, for me, it goes like this from weakest to strongest: 1) Mr Buu that appears after Kid Buu spits him 2) Original Kid Buu 4) Fissed Fat Buu (after expelling his evil wrath) = Evil Grey Buu (but given his evil nature, he uses it far better.) 3) Kid Buu with South Kai absorbed 5) Initial Fat Buu (South Kai Absorbed and Fat Kai absorbed) = Super Buu. However, Super Buu has access to the fullpower potential of his 2 absorbees while Initial Fat Buu is too dumb to use them. 3 6) All Super Buu evolutions (I don't think there should be any debate with these ones) I don't know how to read that "he's getting stronger" sentence. In my headcannon that was just likely a very big slip and shouldn't have been said. It really made no sense that Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu has two absorbees, Buff Buu only one. By pure logic, Super Buu should be stronger. Not mentioning he actually possesses an intellect, which means even more danger. I can understand where you coming from that "absorbing anyone would actually weaken Buu in real output terms", but it did occurred to Majin Buu regardless what we think about the logic behind it lol. While the original manga or anime didn't gointo full details on "why" it happened the way it did (besides the inherited goodness of the absorbed, etc), we just have to accept it the way it is. For example, Super Kid Buu (Kid Buu with Southern Supreme Kai Absorbed) was a true powerhouse that was capable of easily rolling over Eastern Supreme Kai and made Goku and Vegeta sweat bullets upon seeing his returned form. However, when Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai, his soul calmed down so much from his inherited goodness that he became docile (Chapter 314 in the DBZ manga-Viz edition). Thus we can infer that he could no loner access his full potential anymore, which is quite evident since the original Fat Buu was no match for SSJ3 Goku under any circumstances (as explained in the anime when SSJ3 Goku was fighting against Kid Buu. As for your list, your first and fourth numbers ("Mr Buu that appears after Kid Buu spits him" and "Fissed Fat Buu") are one in the same. Both versions is simply Fat Buu without his evil inhabiting his body anymore, which became either Kid Buu or Evil Buu during such circumstances. Either way, Fat Buu was no match for either combatant, which debunks your first numbers since you believe that "Fissed Fat Buu" is actually stronger than Kid Buu. As with your Evil Grey Buu being stronger than Kid Buu, I can see your reasoning on why you made that decision. However, it is not correct unfortunately. You see, if the Original Fat Buu is no match for against SSJ3 Goku, then how will his separated parts (Good Fat Buu and Evil Buu) can be stronger than their initial combined form? They can't, which is confirmed in the Japanese sub anime when Piccolo says that Evil Buu "inherited" most of the Fat Buu's power. And if the original Fat Buu was no match for Goku (while Kid Buu can potentially kill Goku in the same form), this will automatically make Evil Buu weaker than Kid Buu. As for "3" and "5", yes and no. Let me explain.. You see, for the "yes" mindset, original Fat Buu SHOULD be stronger than most of the other forms, but he isn't due to his power being severely restricted (inherited kai goodness or Grand Kai being brain-dead DBM logic). But if those restrictions didn't affect his whole potential, Fat Buu's power would probably be even greater than Super Buu's since Fat Buu has full access to his inherited strength (while canon Super Buu still doesn't have full access to both Kai's strength. I make this point clearer in my blogs, so check them out on the DBM wiki. As for the "no" mindset, due to the original Fat Buu having his true potential basically sealed away, he became much weaker compared to his previous form (Kid Buu with South Kai Absorbed). Like I said previously, Buff Buu was able to make both Goku and Vegeta pretty nervous, with Goku saying that his ki increased even further compared to Super Buu's own strength (chapter 313 in the DBZ Manga-Viz edition). And if you know Super Buu, both Goku and Vegeta couldn't even defeat his base form in the anime (even if Goku did went SSJ3, it wouldn't be enough), with Goku being afraid to fight him in the manga upon separating from Vegeta. Thus by deductive reasoning, Buff Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu, who is much stronger than original Fat Buu. But at least we can agree that almost all of Super Buu's absorbed forms is stronger than the rest, though Buff Buu may be somewhat equivalent to Piccolo absorbed since both versions are stronger than regular Super Buu. This could be a debate in it itself lol. As for your headcannon, I see where you are coming from, but like I said in this post, it simply did not work like that in canon. Anyways thanks Khan for this miniature debate, I look forward to hearing your counter responses soon. Also, did you actually got your "3" and "4" numbers mixed up in your list, or was that intentional?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 20, 2016 7:18:50 GMT
Xeno Black I disagree with your order. I'll explain: to me it never made sense that absorbing anyone would actually weaken Buu in real output terms. This comes from the notion that this ability is a defense mechanism used by Buu when he's faced by an opponent he can't beat. Thus, for me, it goes like this from weakest to strongest: 1) Mr Buu that appears after Kid Buu spits him 2) Original Kid Buu 4) Fissed Fat Buu (after expelling his evil wrath) = Evil Grey Buu (but given his evil nature, he uses it far better.) 3) Kid Buu with South Kai absorbed 5) Initial Fat Buu (South Kai Absorbed and Fat Kai absorbed) = Super Buu. However, Super Buu has access to the fullpower potential of his 2 absorbees while Initial Fat Buu is too dumb to use them. 3 6) All Super Buu evolutions (I don't think there should be any debate with these ones) I don't know how to read that "he's getting stronger" sentence. In my headcannon that was just likely a very big slip and shouldn't have been said. It really made no sense that Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu has two absorbees, Buff Buu only one. By pure logic, Super Buu should be stronger. Not mentioning he actually possesses an intellect, which means even more danger. I can understand where you coming from that "absorbing anyone would actually weaken Buu in real output terms", but it did occurred to Majin Buu regardless what we think about the logic behind it lol. While the original manga or anime didn't gointo full details on "why" it happened the way it did (besides the inherited goodness of the absorbed, etc), we just have to accept it the way it is. Indeed it is. I recognize that line was actually said, but when you come around to it, it made zero sense at all. In fact everything would be pretty linear if such line was never said. If something akin to "eh? it really didn't drop that much!" everything would make more sense. With Gray Buu included, which is also a source of doubt (I'll get to that later.) And that's how I see it too: it was more of a change of mindset that made his power unavailable under normal conditions. I do not consider them one in the same, because no absorbees were removed. If they were one in the same, Initial Fat Buu would have only spit Kid Buu, but he didn't. He made a Gray Buu out of smoke, which still had some Kai influences on him. And evidently, following the same logic this was similar to Piccolo/Kami, the Fissed Fat Buu also contained at least a part of Kid Buu. It was only that he was eaten, that the whole Kai influenced condensed into him, while all the Kid Buu condensed in the outer body and became Super Buu. The fact Gray Buu still possesses Kai clothing, also serves to show he indeed still has some influence of them, unlike Kid Buu. I think Original Fat Buu could have been a match to Goku (though less so than Kid Buu due to the childish nature). Goku didn't manage to seriously injure him at all. My reasoning is pretty linear. Kid Buu = 1 South Kai = 1 Buff Buu = 2 Fat Kai = 1 Initial Fat Buu = 3 Therefore... Fissed Fat Buu = 1.5 (but can't use most of it) Evil Gray Buu = 1.5 (but is able to use and release all of that and a more battle oriented mindset) I still consider Fissed Fat Buu different than the last Mr. Buu. Mr. Buu is even weaker (I consider Fissed Fat Buu to still have some Kid Buu influence) I always saw as Super Buu as the full potential of the original Fat Buu. Why wouldn't it? Let's remember he has the whole absorbees, but is a whole lot more violent and intelligent. Fat Buu inherent potential shouldn't be any higher than Super Buu, as he's a restructure of the same self. Was it ever said in canon that Super Buu doesn't have the full potential of the Kais? All I know is Goku bragged about being able to beat the first Fat Buu, but he was scared shitless of Super Buu. It took Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan (who were far stronger than Goku) to tackle him down. We are talking about an even higher tier than SSJ3. IMO, the sealed potential is a very key point to remember, otherwise we end on some sort of weird circular logic where certain absorbees decrease his power, but other increase it. Either way, to measure either Piccolo or Buff Buu in terms of actual fighting feats is hard, as we never really saw them fight against truly strong characters. One can deduce Buucolo is a bit stronger than normal Super Buu, but not too much. But in the case of Buff Buu, we only saw him wrecking Eastern Kai, who we know was not very strong. Goku in SSJ during the tournament could have killed him when he interfered in his upcoming fight with Vegeta. And I just noticed I screwed the numbers' order.
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Post by Archon on Oct 20, 2016 7:55:17 GMT
I don't know how to read that "he's getting stronger" sentence. In my headcannon that was just likely a very big slip and shouldn't have been said. It really made no sense that Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Super Buu has two absorbees, Buff Buu only one. By pure logic, Super Buu should be stronger. Not mentioning he actually possesses an intellect, which means even more danger. Complete headcanon: When Goku and Piccolo were both charging their special attacks against Raditz, their PLs shot upward; Piccolo, in particular, was temporarily higher than Raditz at 1330 and could kill him. However, Piccolo clearly wasn't stronger than Raditz, he just happened to have more energy stored in him at that moment. So, I think of the Buff Buu situation this way: Buu, his mind unstable, was releasing the South Kai as smoke. He was expending all of that South Kai energy in one moment, making it look like he was stronger than Super Buu--just like how Piccolo, charging the SPC, looked stronger than Raditz--but it was only a temporary thing. Definitely a headcanon, but the best explanation I can come up with that fits with the statement and what I think about power levels. I agree that Buff Buu with one absorption should not be stronger than Super Buu with two. (And if you think about it, it's a bit like Cell: his Semi-Perfect form was bigger, but the smaller Perfect form was stronger.) I'd be happy to write off that "he's getting stronger" line as Toriyama not thinking things through yet again. I forget whether I posted something similar to this in the comments section or on here but yeah that's how I see it too. Buu's power is fluctuating wildly because he is no longer in control and he is in a state of change so it's possible his energy shot up to an insane level before finally coming down to a lesser power.
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Post by Xeno Black on Oct 21, 2016 3:41:42 GMT
I can understand where you coming from that "absorbing anyone would actually weaken Buu in real output terms", but it did occurred to Majin Buu regardless what we think about the logic behind it lol. While the original manga or anime didn't gointo full details on "why" it happened the way it did (besides the inherited goodness of the absorbed, etc), we just have to accept it the way it is. Indeed it is. I recognize that line was actually said, but when you come around to it, it made zero sense at all. In fact everything would be pretty linear if such line was never said. If something akin to "eh? it really didn't drop that much!" everything would make more sense. With Gray Buu included, which is also a source of doubt (I'll get to that later.) And that's how I see it too: it was more of a change of mindset that made his power unavailable under normal conditions. I do not consider them one in the same, because no absorbees were removed. If they were one in the same, Initial Fat Buu would have only spit Kid Buu, but he didn't. He made a Gray Buu out of smoke, which still had some Kai influences on him. And evidently, following the same logic this was similar to Piccolo/Kami, the Fissed Fat Buu also contained at least a part of Kid Buu. It was only that he was eaten, that the whole Kai influenced condensed into him, while all the Kid Buu condensed in the outer body and became Super Buu. The fact Gray Buu still possesses Kai clothing, also serves to show he indeed still has some influence of them, unlike Kid Buu. I think Original Fat Buu could have been a match to Goku (though less so than Kid Buu due to the childish nature). Goku didn't manage to seriously injure him at all. My reasoning is pretty linear. Kid Buu = 1 South Kai = 1 Buff Buu = 2 Fat Kai = 1 Initial Fat Buu = 3 Therefore... Fissed Fat Buu = 1.5 (but can't use most of it) Evil Gray Buu = 1.5 (but is able to use and release all of that and a more battle oriented mindset) I still consider Fissed Fat Buu different than the last Mr. Buu. Mr. Buu is even weaker (I consider Fissed Fat Buu to still have some Kid Buu influence) I always saw as Super Buu as the full potential of the original Fat Buu. Why wouldn't it? Let's remember he has the whole absorbees, but is a whole lot more violent and intelligent. Fat Buu inherent potential shouldn't be any higher than Super Buu, as he's a restructure of the same self. Was it ever said in canon that Super Buu doesn't have the full potential of the Kais? All I know is Goku bragged about being able to beat the first Fat Buu, but he was scared shitless of Super Buu. It took Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan (who were far stronger than Goku) to tackle him down. We are talking about an even higher tier than SSJ3. IMO, the sealed potential is a very key point to remember, otherwise we end on some sort of weird circular logic where certain absorbees decrease his power, but other increase it. Either way, to measure either Piccolo or Buff Buu in terms of actual fighting feats is hard, as we never really saw them fight against truly strong characters. One can deduce Buucolo is a bit stronger than normal Super Buu, but not too much. But in the case of Buff Buu, we only saw him wrecking Eastern Kai, who we know was not very strong. Goku in SSJ during the tournament could have killed him when he interfered in his upcoming fight with Vegeta. And I just noticed I screwed the numbers' order. Interesting theory about the two versions of "Fissed Fat Buu" not being the same entity. While I still hold onto my belief that they are separate beings, your logic does make sense considering the fact Evil Buu does has the same vest on as Grand Supreme Kai. You are correct in saying that Super Buu is more violent and intelligent compared to original Fat Buu, but he still doesn't have full access to the absorbed kai's strength. This is just my personal opinion (since no source has never addressed this question), but allow me to explain my reasoning behind this belief. You see, Buff Buu has complete total access to South Kai's power, but lost some access to it upon absorbing Grand Kai (while in the process, losing some access to his strength too). When Fat Buu "basically" transformed into Super Buu, he gained a little more access to both absorbed kai's strength, but total access is still out of reach. If he DID had total access, Super Buu's base strength would be far greater compared to Buff Buu's own strength since Super Buu is basically Buff Buu in addition with Grand Kai's power. But he didn't... thus I can infer from presented information that Super Buu has yet to have full access because he is still weaker than Buff Buu despite having one more additional absorption. And yes I agree with you 100% on the sealed potential, since it is the only logic that can explain why some absorption's increase Buu's power, while others decrease his. It brings me back to the good old Budokai 2 days when Super Buu absorbs either Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Perfect Cell, Frieza, Piccolo, or Vegeta, his power level soars to incredible heights. But when Super Buu absorbs Yamcha and Tien, his strength actually decreases instead of increases, despite the fact hard logic is telling us it still should have increases regardless of the absorbed victim. As for the numbers, it all good lol.
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