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Post by Cataclysm on Dec 14, 2022 15:03:47 GMT
Goku vs Vegeta- I have no idea how this will go, besides it being a close match. Goku is the OG main character, but it feels like Vegeta has gotten much more development. I thought it might be a double KO, but that happened against Uub. Vegeta's 'secret power' has been hyped up, but Goku has a reputation of not even really trying until the final round.
I originally thought Vegeta would have to use most of his strength against Cell, giving Goku some insight and an advantage. That didn't happen.
That match was kinda inconsistent trying to gauge powers. Goku seemed impressed by Cell when he powered up, then after Vegeta won he nonchalantly asked him if he could do better.
I think Goku has mastered SSJ3 in that he's minimized the energy drain. Maybe him and Vegeta have found 'augmented forms' or 'grades' past their final forms. AKA SSJ2.5 which can be as strong as a 'strong' SSJ3, but priotises being more energy efficient, SSJ3.5 which is more powerful, where you can use SSJ3 level power for much longer, or also 'limit break' but with regular SSJ3 energy efficiency.
That part in the novel where Goku and Vegeta fight in the ROSAT with Gohan and Pan there. Vegeta says SSJ3 is worthless. Goku concedes its weaknesses but basically says wouldn't they have to master SSJ3 to surpass it.
Gast VS XXI- Gast is gonna get defused. That was his wish, he wants to help the other universes but 200 Nameks can't do shit.
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Post by jbame on Dec 17, 2022 23:04:56 GMT
This is why it disappoints me to see Vegeta using SSJ3. The novel has clearly stated that Vegeta thinks very poorly of the transformation and that instead he has found other ways to become stronger. I've always thought that vegeta willingly chooses not to use SSJ3 despite being more than capable enough of achieving the transformation, and that he instead developed other techniques to become stronger. This would create a nice parallel between Goku having a very powerful SSJ3 and Vegeta being a SSJ2 with crafty techniques (we see some of this in Vegeta vs Kakarot in the novelization)... but instead it seems Vegeta is just a clone of Goku. Hopefully their fight proves me wrong.
Gast vs XXI is exactly like Buu vs XXI in that there are two ways it could go:
Gast gets defeated in one technique, or he is too OP for XXI's magic and thus he is forced to release more of his true potential.
As for the winner? Well... i'd be surprised if the finals wasn't Goku vs XXI. It's just... logical. The protagonist vs the main antagonist.
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Post by drewsaga on Dec 25, 2022 3:11:52 GMT
Not sure there is much to speculate. It's highly likely that Goku and Vegeta will show their new transformation (or maybe not even new but might actually be the Mystic powerup that they manage to achieve on their own), no way they are just stuck merely at SSJ3. Also, SSJ3 is straight up better than SSJ2. I could possibly see U18 Vegeta beat U13 Vegeta with SSJ2 but even that's stretching it. Goku's decades of experience with SSJ3 and with fighting in general would be far too much for Vegeta in SSJ2 hence Vegeta would need SSJ3 or he could just go "beyond SSJ3" (personally I hope both characters have a beyond-SSJ3 powerup because if one of then has it then it's a wash.
As for Gast vs XXI, that's a large unknown. Gast has both magic and physical power but doesn't have an innate weakness like Zen Buu does to magic where the right spell one-shots Buu (and XXI one-shotted #18 on a technicality and just warped Vegetto to a inverse-HTC dimension so those don't count). It took many spells for Buu to break Gast's defense and ultimately kill him but that lack of a "fatal" weakness is only as far as we know, he still has weaknesses (loud sound). We don't know how XXI can hold up in a physical fight, as far as power goes I say he might be SSJ3-level much like Gast, Goku and Vegeta (to keep things even unless Goku and Vegeta have a power beyond SSJ3 like Gohan does or something), XXI is powerful enough to disintegrate Buu after all with that technique that Vegetto, Bra, Goku and Vegeta know. My point is XXI is probably not nearly as skilled in fighting as he is in magic, we know XXI will likely win by beating Gast with magic, XXI is certainly smart as far as DB villains go.
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