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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 2, 2016 9:40:54 GMT
I excluded most replies to Axalon Genghis Khan and Axalon- I'll reply to you both here as our combined comment are getting pretty long. I'll start with you Genghis- Potential and power are irrevocably linked, a fighter's potential basically shows what level their power can rise to. Not really. Power is just the maximum power a person can fight at the moment, including his transformation. For example: Raditz Power right now is below Freeza tier, but say, he has the potential to reach SSJ3 at a power similar to Goku if he had trained properly during his life and discovered all transformations. This is likely where the Mystic ritual will land him. Roughly the same power? Let me laugh loudly, there are like 12 examples to completely disprove you. But I'll just add one: SSJ3 Goku had a shitload of problems defeating Kid Buu. Super Buu was a shitload stronger than Kid Buu. Gotenks was around the same level as Super Buu. Mystic Gohan wiped the floor with Super Buu. What does this tell us? That either Gohan or Gotenks could have vaporized Kid Buu, whereas Goku couldn't until the Genki Dama. If you do not understand this then I don't know what to do. Goku never fought Buutenks (that's anime filler) and I don't think he meant he could have dealt with him. What he meant that fusion was not necessary anymore was that Gohan could have beaten Buucolo (which is true). But Buucolo would have wiped the floor with Goku, as would have done Super Buu. It would be damn stupid if they got impressed by the Super Perfect Cell level which they all already fought 20 years ago (which was approximately the maximum Cell has displayed). They haven't seen Cell's full power so they can't comment on it, yet they speculated he would be far stronger as he shat a Cell Jr considerably stronger than the Super Perfect Cell they knew. Super has nothing to do with DBM. And like it or not, it is not the new canon (it contradicts the end of Z, until it offers an official mending with it, it will remain non-canon) and even if it were, it is not the canon of DBM. Dismissed. You probably think U12 Future Trunks can defeat SSJ3 Vegetto harnessing the power of TOEI just because it happened in Super as well? Then why the hell have you been using this vapid excuse ('not impressed enough') for like 4 messages? No normal SSJ3 (non-fused) is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Well, though shit if you can't agree with me. The novel and the screenshot I posted do. There is not much you can argue about it. SSJ2 Bra is more powerful than Mystic Gohan (trained or not).Sorry but this is complete bullshit that doesn't even deserve a proper refutal. Kid Buu and Super Buu are at the same level? Kid Buu has no absorbees. Super Buu has 2 top gods inside. Super Buu is automatically stronger. Not even wrong.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 2, 2016 10:08:29 GMT
Anyway, this is derailing a lot. Do you people want me to make a new thread? (although I am no longer sure about what the fuck we're talking about now at this point).
This went from Gast strength, to some bullshit about Goku and Vegeta being über strong, to Cell just being SSJ2 level (which he already was at the end of Cell saga), to a completely non-sensical, warped scale of Buu's. Whenever you correct one single mistake on this guy, he pulls out other 5 new wrongs. LOL.
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Post by VoidSlayer on Dec 2, 2016 10:29:20 GMT
I excluded most replies to Axalon Genghis Khan and Axalon- I'll reply to you both here as our combined comment are getting pretty long. I'll start with you Genghis- Potential and power are irrevocably linked, a fighter's potential basically shows what level their power can rise to. Not really. Power is just the maximum power a person can fight at the moment, including his transformation. For example: Raditz Power right now is below Freeza tier, but say, he has the potential to reach SSJ3 at a power similar to Goku if he had trained properly during his life and discovered all transformations. This is likely where the Mystic ritual will land him. Roughly the same power? Let me laugh loudly, there are like 12 examples to completely disprove you. But I'll just add one: SSJ3 Goku had a shitload of problems defeating Kid Buu. Super Buu was a shitload stronger than Kid Buu. Gotenks was around the same level as Super Buu. Mystic Gohan wiped the floor with Super Buu. What does this tell us? That either Gohan or Gotenks could have vaporized Kid Buu, whereas Goku couldn't until the Genki Dama. If you do not understand this then I don't know what to do. Goku never fought Buutenks (that's anime filler) and I don't think he meant he could have dealt with him. What he meant that fusion was not necessary anymore was that Gohan could have beaten Buucolo (which is true). But Buucolo would have wiped the floor with Goku, as would have done Super Buu. It would be damn stupid if they got impressed by the Super Perfect Cell level which they all already fought 20 years ago (which was approximately the maximum Cell has displayed). They haven't seen Cell's full power so they can't comment on it, yet they speculated he would be far stronger as he shat a Cell Jr considerably stronger than the Super Perfect Cell they knew. Super has nothing to do with DBM. And like it or not, it is not the new canon (it contradicts the end of Z, until it offers an official mending with it, it will remain non-canon) and even if it were, it is not the canon of DBM. Dismissed. You probably think U12 Future Trunks can defeat SSJ3 Vegetto harnessing the power of TOEI just because it happened in Super as well? Then why the hell have you been using this vapid excuse ('not impressed enough') for like 4 messages? No normal SSJ3 (non-fused) is stronger than Mystic Gohan. Well, though shit if you can't agree with me. The novel and the screenshot I posted do. There is not much you can argue about it. SSJ2 Bra is more powerful than Mystic Gohan (trained or not).Sorry but this is complete bullshit that doesn't even deserve a proper refutal. Kid Buu and Super Buu are at the same level? Kid Buu has no absorbees. Super Buu has 2 top gods inside. Super Buu is automatically stronger. Not even wrong.Your potential argument has weight, but as this is all speculation to what each fighter potential is since it was never really covered in the series. Like Your Raditz example we won't really know how high his potential will go untill he gets his Mystic powerup (If it happens, im still skeptical at this point) Wait...What? You keep saying that they were a shitload more powerful then each other yet you offer no proof, and you expect me to take you seriously? Please, come back when you have an argument worth mentioning. At NO point is it ever stated that Super Buu was more powerful then Kid Buu, even Salagirs official tier list puts them in the same category, and are you going to argue with the creator of this whole fanfiction? Gotenks was around the same level as Super Buu, thats one thing you've gotten right. Otherwise you're speculating. Goku fought Buutenks, and held him off which puts him at Mystic level. Period. If it happened in the anime then IT'S CANON. You say that you don't think he meant that, well thats speculation and not fact. The facts are that Goku did not need to fuse with Gohan after Gotenks defused inside of Buu, which he flat out stated in the anime that he could handle Buuiccolo. Gohan at that point was badly injured and only about half strength which would have had him lose against Superbuu. I hate to say it but you really need to go back and re-watch DBZ, you appear to just state things like Mystic is 5 times more powerful then SS3, No normal SSJ3 (non-fused) is stronger than Mystic Gohan. and SuperBuu is more powerful then Kid Buu like they have any meaning. Heads up- They don't. Well clearly Trunks can't defeat SS3 Vegito. I'm not even going to go into how you think that's relevent. But i'll say that Super is new Canon as it's stated to be the continuation of DBZ and is written by Akira Toriyama himself, so yeah, i'd say it trumps DBM, as good as it is. I didn't argue that SS2 Bra is weaker than Gohan, if anything i agreed with you, i just disagreed that by that logic SS3 Goku is about even with SS2 Bra because after all the training he's done, i'd say if he wasn't more powerful then Gohan in DBZ, he sure is now. Dude, i just proved how Kid and Super Buu are around the same power. If you choose to ignore it through the false logic that it's 'Anime Filler', then thats your problem. Kid Buu is the original version with the best regen, and Goku stated that he just keeps getting stronger. Super Buu had no such Gods inside him, i don't know where the heck you're getting that from but spoiler alert- you're wrong. And you can post as many clever pics as you like but it doesn't change anything mate.
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Post by VoidSlayer on Dec 2, 2016 10:37:12 GMT
I will agree with you on one point though, we got onto scales of power based on how we thought Gast would match up to certain characters, which got onto tiering, which got onto our current argument over who's more powerful. Lets face it, we're obviously never going to agree as we clearly have very different interpretations on what actually happened in DbZ, and what's going to happen in DBM, and how you can't provide evidence to back your claims. But whatever, a new thread will be welcome.
Final thought on Gast, he'll beat Raichi, maybe even help him reform somewhat, but it'll be tough for Gast.
And i REALLY want to see how Gast goes against a genuine SS3 that won't run out of energy.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 2, 2016 10:48:52 GMT
I will agree with you on one point though, we got onto scales of power based on how we thought Gast would match up to certain characters, which got onto tiering, which got onto our current argument over who's more powerful. Lets face it, we're obviously never going to agree as we clearly have very different interpretations on what actually happened in DbZ, and what's going to happen in DBM, and how you can't provide evidence to back your claims. But whatever, a new thread will be welcome. Final thought on Gast, he'll beat Raichi, maybe even help him reform somewhat, but it'll be tough for Gast. And i REALLY want to see how Gast goes against a genuine SS3 that won't run out of energy. This is not a matter of interpretation but of you deliberately deciding to ignore proof. Thus far I have already proved you (with coherent evidence and even screenshots) that: - Bra at SSJ2 is stronger than Mystic Gohan (trained). You anyway said "I just can't accept this" in spite of the evidence. -Cell is at a mere mid SSJ2 level (despite he shat a Cell Jr far stronger than that). You just used a vague quote by Goku and Vegeta, and even conceded that we hadn't seen his full-power, yet are only using selective evidence, as there are multiple statements of U18 that no longer fit your view. You also said that Vegeta and Goku were never impressed by Cell and tried to pass it as conclusive proof. Thus far Cell hasn't been impressed at all by U18. In this case your argument is just a selection bias. - That DBS influences DBM and is a continuation of Z. False, it is not a continuation of Z. Dragon Ball GT is a continuation of Z. For it to be a continuation of Z, it would have started after the tournament they met Uub. You only replied something I couldn't clearly decypher. It also doesn't have any bearing with DBM. It is stated so in the very FAQ section of the website. -That Kid Buu, Mystic Gohan, Gotenks, Goku SSJ3, Super Buu are all at the same power level. Seriously man, this doesn't even deserve an explanation. It is ironic you're telling me to rewatch since it's evident that even if you watched it, you clearly couldn't follow the historyline and progression of events. This is so much wrong you actually managed to do a Maximum Gish Gallop. And there are plenty more fallacies, so many of them it's overwhelming. I would need to write a Bible to right all the wrongs in your concepts. Not anything that appears in Anime is canon. What happened on the Manga is canon. And there's also a difference between DBZ canon and DBM canon. DBM canon is DBZ canon (without filler) + some of the movies. When you are even aware of this slight but very important difference, you have no authority to fend off my comments as lunacy or non-sense. A Gish Gallop is defined as: In other words a Gish Gallop is an endless barrage of wrong (and often unrelated) shit that can be done very quickly, but takes a lot to break down and fix. This Buu theme has been done to death even in this forum. If your Buu saga references are not right and are using some sort of smoked out headcanon, then thus far this whole exchange of posts has been worthless. It would have been easier if since the beginning you had said "I don't understand Buu saga powertiers, plz explain" instead of doing this backwards barrage of fanon, wrong interpretations and outright fallacies. Now, after thinking we were making some progress, again have to go back to the beginning. If you have your Buu-saga power-tier fucked up, it is impossible to make reasonable guesses or references to speculative DBM powerlevels at all, as all of the current contestants bar 2 (who are far more OP) still fall within the ranges of power-level of that saga. The accurate Buu range is like this: SSJ1 Vegeto Buuhan Buutenks Mystic Gohan Buucolo Super Buu - Kid Gotenks Kid Buu - Goku SSJ3 - Original Fat Buu (severely impaired due to childish nature) Mr Buu Only debatable ones are the Evil Gray Buu and the Buff Buu after absorbing South Kai, but they don't really matter as this point as they appeared during a very short period of time. I'll let another user prove you that anyway. I can't really be bothered at this point because I'm sure you'll still be able to get a strawman out of it. Also, are you a foreigner (as in a non_English speaker?) Your sequences of ideas have a messy, rushed redaction (although they generally retain proper grammar and spelling) and seem to often go nowhere. I am a foreigner too but I want to discard the possibility of any language barrier before dismissing it as mere density.
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Post by Axalon on Dec 2, 2016 11:00:09 GMT
As for multipliers the only place i've seen them be used is in theoretical powerlists on wiki pages...Hardly a credible source. However if you can link me to where Salagir said this i'd certainly be interested. Mystic and SS3 are unlinked, Mystic just brought out all of Gohans potential, yet SS3 was like the ultimate transformation, so much power that it was felt accross dimensions and could only be fully handled in the realm of the dead. By that alone i'd say SS3 is more powerful, yet drains you quickly making it less useful in protracted battles. Mystic Gohan's power could be felt across dimensions too. Buu was waiting on him. Unlike SS3, Gohan doesn't need to be in the realm of the dead to fully utilize it, and he's flat-out stronger to boot. Super Buu > Kid Buu Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough about their chances with Kid Buu to just tackle him head on, and even then he needed the spirit bomb to do the job. When faced with the prospect of fighting Super Buu, Goku quite clearly says Buu would murder the both of them. Meanwhile, Goku is quite confident that Gohan will have no problems taking care of Buucollo, who is in essence just a smarter Super Buu. ...what? Goku lost because vanilla Super Buu was already too much for him to handle on his own. Absorbing Vegeta was just the icing on the cake. Well duh. I'd certainly hope that a post-Buu saga DBZ cast wouldn't get scared of someone like Frieza (especially since DBS isn't being taken into account in DBM). Again this proves nothing about their progression. It simply shows they haven't regressed in power. Ha. This is like saying someone is just as powerful as the mighty Frieza! Oh but I meant back when he was in Form 2, sorry. We have no reason to believe Piccolo would refer to Cell when he was holding back. Well it's a good thing I didn't. I just said they were stronger than Goku. Which they are. Bra isn't on Broly or Vegito's level--but she is stronger than Goku. See above images for your proof. But I'll restate it here as well. Goku decides to fight Kid Buu. Goku thinks fighting Super Buu is suicide, even with Vegeta helping him. Gohan mopped the floor with Super Buu. Goku says Gohan can mop the floor with Buucollo.
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Post by Android 13 on Dec 2, 2016 14:08:44 GMT
Axalon 's arguments are unbeatable, and denying facts is in no way debating.Seriously, putting Kid Buu above Super Buu contradicts everything stated in the manga.I guess people still use Old Kai's statement that Kid Buu is "the most dangerous one" and interpret it as "the strongest one out of all Buus". <- I mean, come on people, "dangerous" and "power" are two completely different things, heck, Ginyu is probably the most dangerous character currently in DBM, yet we all know his power level (in his original body).It isn't strength that makes one dangerous, it is his abilities and in Kid Buu's case, his mentality. Edit: I though all people were converted to the true faith already (SSJ Vegito>Buuhan>Buutenks>Mystic Gohan>SSJ3 Gotenks/Buucollo>Super Buu>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Vegeta>so on and so on).But there are still people that (Kid Buu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SSJ3 Vegito<<<<<<<<<<SSJ3 Goku) lol what the hell?
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Dec 2, 2016 17:37:56 GMT
Goku fought Buutenks, and held him off which puts him at Mystic level. Period. If it happened in the anime then IT'S CANON. You say that you don't think he meant that, well thats speculation and not fact. The facts are that Goku did not need to fuse with Gohan after Gotenks defused inside of Buu, which he flat out stated in the anime that he could handle Buuiccolo. Gohan at that point was badly injured and only about half strength which would have had him lose against Superbuu. [...] Dude, i just proved how Kid and Super Buu are around the same power. If you choose to ignore it through the false logic that it's 'Anime Filler', then thats your problem. Kid Buu is the original version with the best regen, and Goku stated that he just keeps getting stronger. Super Buu had no such Gods inside him, i don't know where the heck you're getting that from but spoiler alert- you're wrong. And you can post as many clever pics as you like but it doesn't change anything mate. I'm only here because I tried to weigh in as to why Gast couldn't make dragon balls or have kids in a mini discussion with Son Pan but I've noticed issues with your statements voidslayer. 1. (1st Bold and 2nd bold) You do understand that Toriyama's first source is the manga right? Anything apart from that is a deviation from the true source and can not be used in debates if it contradicts the manga. 2. (3rd Bold) So a God isn't in Super Buu and such a God is strong as hell but a mortal like Ultimate Gohan and a magical being like Gotenks who surely surpassed the current Kaioshins are considered weak not good absorbee materials for Buu? You sure about your statement there? 3. (Not bold) You can refer to the discussion thread about Buu's forms and Power Levels Thread and find out that you're repeating The Perfect God's mistakes and are gonna get screwed over. Edit for Mods reading: Didn't mean to pick on The Perfect God but was just stating that Voidslayer is gonna make the same mistakes again.
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Post by Android 13 on Dec 2, 2016 18:19:30 GMT
Your potential argument has weight, but as this is all speculation to what each fighter potential is since it was never really covered in the series. Like Your Raditz example we won't really know how high his potential will go untill he gets his Mystic powerup (If it happens, im still skeptical at this point) Wait...What? You keep saying that they were a shitload more powerful then each other yet you offer no proof, and you expect me to take you seriously? Please, come back when you have an argument worth mentioning. At NO point is it ever stated that Super Buu was more powerful then Kid Buu, even Salagirs official tier list puts them in the same category, and are you going to argue with the creator of this whole fanfiction? Gotenks was around the same level as Super Buu, thats one thing you've gotten right. Otherwise you're speculating. Goku fought Buutenks, and held him off which puts him at Mystic level. Period. If it happened in the anime then IT'S CANON. You say that you don't think he meant that, well thats speculation and not fact. The facts are that Goku did not need to fuse with Gohan after Gotenks defused inside of Buu, which he flat out stated in the anime that he could handle Buuiccolo. Gohan at that point was badly injured and only about half strength which would have had him lose against Superbuu. I hate to say it but you really need to go back and re-watch DBZ, you appear to just state things like Mystic is 5 times more powerful then SS3, No normal SSJ3 (non-fused) is stronger than Mystic Gohan. and SuperBuu is more powerful then Kid Buu like they have any meaning. Heads up- They don't. Well clearly Trunks can't defeat SS3 Vegito. I'm not even going to go into how you think that's relevent. But i'll say that Super is new Canon as it's stated to be the continuation of DBZ and is written by Akira Toriyama himself, so yeah, i'd say it trumps DBM, as good as it is. I didn't argue that SS2 Bra is weaker than Gohan, if anything i agreed with you, i just disagreed that by that logic SS3 Goku is about even with SS2 Bra because after all the training he's done, i'd say if he wasn't more powerful then Gohan in DBZ, he sure is now. Dude, i just proved how Kid and Super Buu are around the same power. If you choose to ignore it through the false logic that it's 'Anime Filler', then thats your problem. Kid Buu is the original version with the best regen, and Goku stated that he just keeps getting stronger. Super Buu had no such Gods inside him, i don't know where the heck you're getting that from but spoiler alert- you're wrong. And you can post as many clever pics as you like but it doesn't change anything mate. Wait wait wait, hold on.So what you are saying is that whatever Toei makes is canon? Fuck yeah then, Broly is canon, Janemba is canon, Gogeta is canon, Android 13 is canon, heck even Garlic Jr. is canon.Not to mention other story-twisting villains.People seemingly have developed their head-canons already.If for you, everything that happened in the anime is canon and awesome and the truth, then so be it.But NEVER, NEVER bring it to a discussion or a debate with someone who knows what is canon and what is not.As much as I don't like it, Akira Toriyama is the sole creator of the Dragon Ball story, and only his writing and statements are correct.(I am not going to include Super here) You might choose to create 2 canons, I wouldn't mind that, but the only true one with authority is the manga, the anime has fillers added by Toei, who apparently like to ruin stories and anime, and they are nothing but cool moments we had so they can put 1 chapter into 1 episode, in order to give Toriyama time to write a new chapter.I am sorry but denying facts will get you to nowhere, there is no "false logic" when speaking about the manga, and it's YOUR problem that you consider the anime canon.Also, remind me where Goku stated Buu's constantly getting stronger.What is he, DBZ's version of Salagir's Broly?That right there is false logic.I agree that Kid Buu is the original, and he indeed displayed the least effort in regenerating, but stating that showing you manga pages doesn't change anything, I don't like that attitude.People must be ready to accept defeat in every debate, and must be ready to change their way of thinking or to accept facts they once though were lies.Otherwise you are not getting anywhere. Edit: Conqueror Geng or any other mod:Please move this debate to an appropriate thread.We have went too far away from the topic.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 2, 2016 19:03:56 GMT
Done, thread split.
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Post by Android 13 on Dec 2, 2016 19:13:47 GMT
Thanks, now may us continue our meaningful and full of facts, canon and KID BUU >>>>>>>> ALL debate.(It's no debate really kid buu shreks zeno with a finger flick.)
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Dec 2, 2016 19:32:11 GMT
Just my 1 cent (half assed thoughts XD) We didn't really need to drag this out... or split to a new thread. Thought we had settled this with the original Power level thread about Super Buu vs Kid Buu... now it's just tiresome to repeat the evidence.
(But this is just my thoughts on this. Feel free to do as you guys please)
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 2, 2016 19:36:21 GMT
Well, I just didn't want this BS polluting Gast's/Universe 7 thread, since due to the inability of this guy to truly understand Buu saga powerlevels, it's basically pointless to continue talking about Gast, Raichi or Cell using references to other characters and examples since the three are likely inbetween the entire Buu powers (from Kid Buu to Buuhan).
If one does not have his Buu scales right, it's impossible to make reasonable guesses about any of the remaining fighters' power. Unless you want enlarged numbers with eleven zeros.
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Post by Android 13 on Dec 2, 2016 19:36:43 GMT
Just my 1 cent (half assed thoughts XD) We didn't really need to drag this out... or split to a new thread. Thought we had settled this with the original Power level thread about Super Buu vs Kid Buu... now it's just tiresome to repeat the evidence. (But this is just my thoughts on this. Feel free to do as you guys please) The thing is, people either didn't see that thread, or do not want to accept it, yet they want to enforce their opinion on us.I am doing the same thing but at least ours is right.And I am impatient for this debate to continue, I am eager to find out what else can he make up.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Dec 2, 2016 19:52:37 GMT
Conqueror Geng Yeah not gonna ask for the numbers, I'll let supergojita3 Do that... Heh, "Buu Scale." Imma call the Buu PL Discussion that from now on. Android 13 Fair point for the "didn't see it" Bullshit on others for "do not accept it" excuse "Enforce their opinions [that are wrong] on us"... fuck that, just show evidence from the manga. If they make contradictory statements like Anime is canon, then go ahead literally drop all debates with said person... you have better things to do than go up against a brick wall of bs, whine, and defiance.
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Post by fooshin on Dec 2, 2016 20:10:32 GMT
As I see it its pretty simple really. You are currently in the DBM discussion forum. What is canon to dbm is decided solely by saligir and is explicitly stated on his site. Anything that conflicts with that is irrelevant and you need to move those discussions to the db/dbz forum right next to this one. If you don't want to read what is canon to this story then don't post on these threads.
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Post by Son Pan on Dec 2, 2016 23:16:33 GMT
I thought it had to do with the Base Namekian's clan. Since Nail was a warrior, he never had the ability in the first place? Just like Piccolo merging with Kami and unable to make Earth's new Dragon balls (during Cell's arrival) hence why they gotta find a new Dragon Clan Namek. I think that is part of it, but that shouldn't have caused him to lose the ability to reproduce. King Piccolo could still reproduce and it is likely Kami probably could have chose to do so as well had he wanted to. That's why I think the assimilation was used to strengthen Gast's battle stats, while other stats, like reproduction and possibly magical talents were lost. Gast captured Buu, but it could have been a telekinetic ability over a magical one. I call bull on Piccolo being from the warrior clan. He was Kami's other half, not his offspring. Kami is of dragon clan then so should Piccolo. This post I think we moved over here by mistake. It still discussing Gast and his power, not about the power level for other characters. I think the thread should be renamed to something like DBM power level discussions or DBM Strongest to Weakest. The current name is confusing as to what is actually being discussed. I'm not sure if the debate is on Super or DBM or Buu power levels.
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Post by Android 13 on Dec 2, 2016 23:38:32 GMT
I think that is part of it, but that shouldn't have caused him to lose the ability to reproduce. King Piccolo could still reproduce and it is likely Kami probably could have chose to do so as well had he wanted to. That's why I think the assimilation was used to strengthen Gast's battle stats, while other stats, like reproduction and possibly magical talents were lost. Gast captured Buu, but it could have been a telekinetic ability over a magical one. I call bull on Piccolo being from the warrior clan. He was Kami's other half, not his offspring. Kami is of dragon clan then so should Piccolo. This post I think we moved over here by mistake. It still discussing Gast and his power, not about the power level for other characters. I think the thread should be renamed to something like DBM power level discussions or DBM Strongest to Weakest. The current name is confusing as to what is actually being discussed. I'm not sure if the debate is on Super or DBM or Buu power levels. Actually Genghis's idea for a name of the thread spells out perfectly what is going on in here.I think it's the perfect summary and really it's about what is being talked currently.Although the debate went cold for now, but that's for our own good.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 3, 2016 0:00:53 GMT
This post I think we moved over here by mistake. It still discussing Gast and his power, not about the power level for other characters. Yes, I made a mistake. Now it's back where it belongs. Not really, the important thing is that whatever mess happened over the Gast thread, it had very little to do with Gast. The current title describes perfectly what that Gast thread's derailment turned into before being split into this. The blame is not on me though. Blame VoidSlayer for thinking it was a good (not) idea to bring up wrong concepts about Goku/Vegeta being far stronger than Gohan, DBSuper being canon, Cell being Yamcha, to dispute clear evidence about Bra's power level and that everyone in the Buu saga had the same powerlevel... in a thread about Gast's current strength. SIMULTANEOUSLY.
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Post by Xeno Black on Dec 3, 2016 0:50:33 GMT
Conqueror Geng The accurate Buu range is like this: SSJ1 Vegeto Buuhan Buutenks Mystic Gohan Buucolo Super Buu - Kid Gotenks Kid Buu - Goku SSJ3 - Original Fat Buu (severely impaired due to childish nature) Mr Buu Only debatable ones are the Evil Gray Buu and the Buff Buu after absorbing South Kai, but they don't really matter as this point as they appeared during a very short period of time. I'll let another user prove you that anyway. I can't really be bothered at this point because I'm sure you'll still be able to get a strawman out of it.
I'm glad we can agree with Buu's strength just like our discussion about it a month ago. To go even further, Evil Buu will be between Kid Buu and Mr. Buu, while Buff Buu will be somewhat equivalent to Mystic Gohan. That my two cents on it at least. Question: If Super Buu had the full power of SSJ3 Gotenks in addition to Piccolo (Nail, Kami, and King Piccolo absorbed) and Ultimate Gohan, due you believe he will be a "match" for SSJ Vegetto, or even surpass him?
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