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Post by Azoth on May 10, 2017 23:59:42 GMT
The entire concept of "ordinary guy swaps bodies with character from anime" is stupid to begin with. It smells of wish fulfillment, likely from the author.
That said, there is potential here. I'm curious to see how this guy deals with his own desire to get his happy ending vs. how the future usually plays out. He wants to marry Bulma, but Future Trunks is supposed to exist. If he doesn't, what happens to the future world? If Vegeta never gets a family, he loses out on a lot of character growth.
If nothing else, New!Yamcha could forge his happy ending, but have it turn out differently than he envisioned due to his actions.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:20:27 GMT
So, you're stating that the average everyday fan doesn't have much of a personality? Just, no. Most average Shonen protagonists arent interesting, their all pretty generic and boring most of the time. What makes some Shonen characters interesting is what they interact and seeing how they react, and all that. Are you implying that a gag comic has to have characters who don't have defined personalities. That's another thing all gag comics have to do, it's entertaining when the person with a clearly defined personality gets caught up in some stupid shit. And I wouldn't even call this a gag comic, there's nothing gaggy about it. It's trying it's best to tell a serious narrative with some gaggy moments. Also, well written means having good characters, good gags, and a good story. Which, the Yamcha story has failed on all accounts. Would you explain what kind of defined personality you were looking for? The main focus of this short story isn't about the kid at all and it's about him playing Yamcha and also convince the other characters that he's Yamcha. All we need to know about kid is that he's a fan of Dragonball like us so he's familiar with all the ways in canon to strengthen Yamcha. What else were you hoping to find out about this kid that would relevant to the story? I'm curious what part of his personality is being left out that prevents your enjoyment of it. The story is definitely not trying tell a serious narrative. I don't know what about the ridiculous premise and the way it's presented implies it's meant to be taken seriously. RoF and Episode of Bardock feel like badly written fanfics or parodies of bad fanfics but the difference is that they're presented as legitimate attempts at a story. This is honest about what it's meant to be which is literally a real life fan acting out his fanfic to change Yamcha's future. Part of what makes it funny in my opinion is that it's not a planned fanfic where someone sits down and has time to write everything and iron out all the details. He just woke up and found himself thrown into the role of Yamcha so he's playing out the fanfic as he goes along.
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Post by Xeno Black on May 11, 2017 3:41:21 GMT
To be perfectly honest, I will kill to become Yamcha in DB anyday if it presented itself. Super strength and speed, flight, kamehameha, wolf fang fist, and the spirit ball techniques will be kickass to have. Plus if you could have the solar flare, destructo disk, tri-beam, transformation (Roshi's max power or the ability to turn into a wolf), kaioken, cyborg enhancements from both Bulma and Dr. Gero, potential unlocked (Guru or Old Kai), instant transmission, and fusion with somebody (Goku, Vegeta, or Tien), I will be balling hard and make Bulma, Maron, and Eighteen my waifu's as I collect my baseball money lol. If I had my way, both Vados and Marcarita will pray to me as their god hehe. But just think about it! Being a real superhero time from time as you save the world while you are famous for being a professional baseball player and master martial artist. Who wouldn't want this? Yamcha's life can make your fantasies come true if you play him correctly. At the very least Yamcha can potentially rival Frieza during the namek saga which is not bad at all in the power department. That and the fine bitches. XD I know my boy @skar agrees with me!
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Post by Ashanark on May 11, 2017 15:54:34 GMT
I think this is a great fanfic, actually. A big part of it is how Yamcha is treated compared to other characters. 1. When Yamcha gets his potential unlocked by Guru, and after months of training with Nail, he's still only at a PL of 10,000. Both Krillin and Gohan were stronger than this immediately after getting boosted by Guru. 2. So far the protagonist's motivations have been to a) not die and b) end up with a hot girl, which I think are two very normal, understandable, and believable motivations. 3. Yamcha is not the one saving the day. Sure, he beat Nappa, but Goku's still the one to finish Vegeta. 4. Yamcha still realizes he's not going to be any help against Frieza, Cell, or Buu.
The point is, even with this reincarnated guy doing everything he can to cheat the system, at the end of the day Yamcha still sucks (relatively), and has to make do with his limitations. This fanfic scores a ton of points in my book for not falling for many traps lesser fanfics have, like: 1. Being some sort of wish-fulfillment fantasy where [character of choice] is stronger than Goku and keeps up with everyone 2. A protagonist immediately being some larger-than-life hero with unrealistic motivations, like Goku's "I want a good fight, guys!" or "I wanna be a hero and save the world!" 3. Having the hero beat the villains on his own and easily
There's also the fact that this guy wants to end up with Bulma, yet we have not seen him making out with Bulma or anything. I'm not a fan of fics that show their characters getting into bed together, since it just seems like wish-fulfillment. We don't even know if this guy's successfully kept in a relationship with Bulma at all, which is why he's so afraid of Vegeta.
There are other nice touches, like Yamcha holding in reserve the video of Vegeta dancing, or shouting about Beerus for a distraction. There's also the nice moral dilemma of "do you give up your dreams to make sure the world doesn't get utterly wasted." As the story diverges further and further from what happen in the actual manga, things can only get more interesting.
On the whole I think this is a crap-ton better than 98% of the Dragon Ball fics I read.
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Post by kinnikuman on May 11, 2017 15:57:51 GMT
I know the third chapter is made more likely then not but... Yamcha still has a way to power up. He could have the Z team head to Namak and while they are there, he stays on earth and offers his body to the good Doctor for a upgrade. Android 21
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Post by Axalon on May 14, 2017 6:28:51 GMT
I know the third chapter is made more likely then not but... Yamcha still has a way to power up. He could have the Z team head to Namak and while they are there, he stays on earth and offers his body to the good Doctor for a upgrade. Android 21 Huh. I hadn't considered android-ification. That...could potentially combo VERY well with the Kaioken. An android body might better be able to withstand it. Also could cause some hijinks, since he might be designed as another component for Cell to snack on.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jun 14, 2017 6:36:45 GMT
I know the third chapter is made more likely then not but... Yamcha still has a way to power up. He could have the Z team head to Namak and while they are there, he stays on earth and offers his body to the good Doctor for a upgrade. Android 21 Huh. I hadn't considered android-ification. That...could potentially combo VERY well with the Kaioken. An android body might better be able to withstand it. Also could cause some hijinks, since he might be designed as another component for Cell to snack on. I don't like the concept of him becoming an android, because to me it would feel like a huge rip-off of DBM's U9. Anyways he's supposed to be a fan of the series, not necessarily the fan series too. To be honest, I would've done things much differently if I had occupied Yamcha. How I'd Have Done Things (FYI it's pretty damn lengthy as it reaches all the way to the ToP)After training with Roshi, I would've made sure that Dr. Gero would die at some point before Raditz appears and the spaceship ready with Multiple Gravity Rooms to go to Namek would also be prepared prior to Raditz arriving. I would've helped Goku and Piccolo defeat Raditz too like it's made obvious Goku never died since Kami had to break rules to get Goku to train with King Kai. This would only be the case if Goku was alive when taken to Other World, which the story seemed to heavily imply.
Now another change would happen here, I'd have had Kami take all the Z Fighters to Snake Way so they could all train under King Kai. If everyone knew how to use the Kaio-ken and Spirit Bomb it would have a great impact on future events. Also the 10x Gravity Training would help immensely too. Now instead of sticking around to fully master both techniques, I think 6 months would be enough to learn the techniques and get a basic understanding of them. I'd contact Bulma via King Kai's telepathy and have her summon Shenron with enough time to still go to Namek. I'd have her wish for everyone to be teleported back to Earth, so we could go to Namek. Once there, we'd go to Guru to get our potential unlocked. So now the entire Z Warrior gang has learned the Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, and has received the potential unlock. Since we'd still have about 5 months until Vegeta and Nappa appeared, we'd all train with Nail and since we're training with him, we might as well teach him the Kaio-ken too. Now Nail also knows the Kaio-ken. Also Guru having read my/Yamacha's mind, would know about the impending arrival of Frieza and could therefore make some sort of preparations. Maybe have it to where warriors are always present in the village at all times until the arrival of Frieza so they could destroy the Frieza forces scouters when they arrive in the first village that will be attacked.
After having returned to Earth (but not before giving Guru a means to communicate with us back on Earth) with enough time to beat the Saiyans back, myself and the other Z fighters will be plenty strong enough to defeat the Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta with ease. I mean Gohan with his potential unlocked with be at least 20K (he had 32K after Guru unlocked it in the main DBZ timeline) and Goku would be even much stronger and this of course would be even before using the Kaio-ken. Now seeing as Vegeta wouldn't be needed due to Gero being dead already, we'd make sure to dispatch him too, but not before destroying his Scouter to ensure that Frieza sticks with the plan to attack Namek to get a head start on Vegeta.
Now soon Guru would be contacting us to let us know that he can sense the Frieza forces approaching the Planet Namek. Everyone still being in top physical shape would then head off to Namek. Of course Frieza would still arrive first. It wouldn't be a problem since his scouters would be disabled. He'd probably be calling the Ginyu Force in earlier as a result, but that would be okay. With everyone getting in some Gravity Training and Sparring to prepare, we'd be plenty powerful enough to stop the Ginyu Forces too especially with the Kaio-ken. Shortly after dispatching the Ginyu Forces, we'd fight Frieza and he'd resort to his Final Form probably much sooner. We could probably all hold him off as Goku charges a Spirit Bomb and the things would play out mostly the same. I'd allow Krillin to be killed so Goku goes Super Saiyan. Gohan probably would be powerful enough to achieve it too, so we could have a Super Saiyan tag team to easily destroy Frieza. Namek wouldn't be destroyed and things would be much better for everyone.
Before leaving Namek, I'd find Ginyu's pod and retrieve the coordinates from it so we could stop on Planet Yardrat to learn the Instant Transmission. After the Z Warriors learn Instant Transmission and return to Earth, I'd let Kami know about Babidi's spaceship hidden deep in the Earth and tell him that it is of utmost importance that the Supreme Kai is informed about this. After discovering this information, it'd be likely that Supreme Kai would wish to thank me and probably wish to see me out of curiosity after he confirms that it's true. I could discuss with him about the Babidi's minions and keep in mind that King Cold likely might be a possible target for Babidi's mind control as well. Supreme Kai could then approach the rest of the Z fighters and we could discuss about the powerful foes that Babidi has under his control. Of course only having 2 Super Saiyans, a handful of Earthlings knowing the Kaio-ken, and a Namekian capable of it too, would be nowhere near enough to take them on, so we'd continue training until a time when the Supreme Kai was confident we could handle them. When Goku contracts the Heart Virus, we'd cure him with a wish from Shenron and then continue our training. I think at some point in time Supreme Kai realizes that the Z Fighters might have what it takes to draw the Z Sword out of the stone. I'd at that point make sure that the Z Sword is broken like in the manga/anime. Elder Kai could then perform a Potential Unlock on all the Z Warriors. After everyone unlocks their Ultimate form, it'd definitely be time to ambush and stop Babidi.
When that time finally arrives to ambush Babidi's ship, I'd say somewhere probably at least a couple years earlier than when it happened in Z. I don't think a full 12 years of training would be required. We'd again easily dispatch our foes with the slightest of ease. Babidi and his minions would be no match for the Ultimate Z Warriors that all know Kaio-ken, Spirit Bomb, and Instant Transmission. Not even Majin King Cold would improve his chances. With no Majin Vegeta to help awaken Buu, we'd stop Buu from being awakened and that would be that.
Things would then proceed peacefully for Earth. With no Vegeta, there wouldn't be enough Saiyans for a God Ritual and at the very least Beerus wouldn't wake up so early. It's possible that after Gohan and Videl and Goku and Chi-Chi have more offspring that he might appear then. If there were ever enough Saiyans existing to perform the ritual then the prophecy still would've predicted the Super Saiyan God, but just not as soon, so he'd only wake up at that later point.
King Cold having never been killed until much later would mean that Frieza's empire would've been absorbed by him and therefore Frieza would never be revived by Sorbet.
Hypothetically let's say Goku has a 3rd child and Gohan a 2nd child, this probably wouldn't be until at least 5 or 10 years after Z's end. At that point Beerus would appear and both Goku and Gohan would be much much stronger. So whichever of them becomes the SSJG, would easily defeat Beerus. The U6 vs U7 Tournament would still probably happen.
The U6 vs U7 Tournament team for U7 would probably be Goku, Gohan, Goten (22-27 years old), Pan (10-15 years old), and Piccolo. Damn by this point, I think they'd basically have 4 SSJBs and Piccolo on the team and U6 would be utterly wrecked.
No Gero or Vegeta means no Future Timeline, so no Goku Black Arc. Goku would eventually ask Zeno-Oh about the Tournament of Power (of course he doesn't refer to it by that name when asking). Goku, Gohan, and Goten would probably be the members for the Exhibition Match.
No Vegeta, no revived Frieza, and no Buu (no Uub as well) means they wouldn't be on the U7 Team for the ToP. The team would probably not change too much though. Goten and Pan being old enough to participate would probably replace Vegeta and Buu/Frieza's spots. Well now we're caught up to the events of DBS (tho some happening quite a bit later), I think that would be it for how things would differ if I had been Reborn as Yamcha.
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Post by Axalon on Sept 6, 2017 15:56:44 GMT
Final part is here!So the entire thing was just Beerus and Champa having another contest and picking two unfortunate souls and placing in them in incredibly weak fighters just to see who was right about something. Huh.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 7, 2017 3:17:29 GMT
Final part is here!So the entire thing was just Beerus and Champa having another contest and picking two unfortunate souls and placing in them in incredibly weak fighters just to see who was right about something. Huh. Though the most twisted part if you really think about it, is that Champa (or Champa & Beerus) made sure that his character would reach Game Over until his will was broken and he decided to be the villain. That way Yamcha could play the hero in their twisted game. Setting it up to where you die over and over and over again until you decide to become a villain to survive is pretty sadistic on the part(s) of Champa (or Champa & Beerus).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 7:46:47 GMT
An anti-climatic ending, but a fun read all round.
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Post by Xeno Black on Sept 7, 2017 14:50:36 GMT
This was a great mini-series. Still wish it was fleshed out more with content, but I appreciate it regardless. Evil Chiaotzu is so damn cool.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Sept 7, 2017 16:40:50 GMT
It's too bad we couldn't see Yamcha go as far as meeting Beerus. Remember that slap? Great moment for that reincarnated human to realize he moved what a SSJ3 couldn't move.
Also, if he does meet Beerus, would that be the same Beerus as the chessmaster in the last page, or is that the Beerus of "that world?"
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 8, 2017 1:53:43 GMT
It's too bad we couldn't see Yamcha go as far as meeting Beerus. Remember that slap? Great moment for that reincarnated human to realize he moved what a SSJ3 couldn't move.
Also, if he does meet Beerus, would that be the same Beerus as the chessmaster in the last page, or is that the Beerus of "that world?" That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Sept 8, 2017 2:27:44 GMT
It's too bad we couldn't see Yamcha go as far as meeting Beerus. Remember that slap? Great moment for that reincarnated human to realize he moved what a SSJ3 couldn't move.
Also, if he does meet Beerus, would that be the same Beerus as the chessmaster in the last page, or is that the Beerus of "that world?" That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
Are you familiar with the Second Series Yugioh Anime, 5th Season Bakura "Fights" Yugi in the Dark RPG or in the Manga, Shadow RPG? I'm thinking Beerus' and Champa's Reincarnation Game is similar to that, they could alter the past but ultimately the present was "saved" or nothing changed much after that incident. Plus Beerus destroyed the board, I think that "timeline" effectively ended right there and then; the two souls were just borrowed from the real world but were removed from this "timeline" when Beerus went Hakai.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 8, 2017 4:45:19 GMT
That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
Are you familiar with the Second Series Yugioh Anime, 5th Season Bakura "Fights" Yugi in the Dark RPG or in the Manga, Shadow RPG? I'm thinking Beerus' and Champa's Reincarnation Game is similar to that, they could alter the past but ultimately the present was "saved" or nothing changed much after that incident. Plus Beerus destroyed the board, I think that "timeline" effectively ended right there and then; the two souls were just borrowed from the real world but were removed from this "timeline" when Beerus went Hakai. Yeah I'm familiar with that. I've watched all the YGO animes. As for altering the past, in the Dragon World that would mean that alternate timelines would be created as it seems the only ones that can truly alter the past are Demigras, Mira, Towa, & anyone working for the Supreme Kai of Time if you count Xenoverse. As for the board, it just seemed like a way for them to view events. If it wasn't a simulation, then the timelines should all still exist. I say timelines, because Oushou as Chiaotzu created an unknown amount whereas Oushou & Yamcha created one final timeline before the game ended as a tie and the board was Hakai'd. The thing is if it wasn't a simulation, I'd just as equally be interested to see what happens in the final timeline when Yamcha & Chiaotzu return to their normal selves, which like I said before would from their perception appear to be something like a 20 year blackout.
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Post by Axalon on Sept 19, 2017 21:26:11 GMT
It's too bad we couldn't see Yamcha go as far as meeting Beerus. Remember that slap? Great moment for that reincarnated human to realize he moved what a SSJ3 couldn't move.
Also, if he does meet Beerus, would that be the same Beerus as the chessmaster in the last page, or is that the Beerus of "that world?" That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
...What if this explains all of DBS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 2:12:16 GMT
It's too bad we couldn't see Yamcha go as far as meeting Beerus. Remember that slap? Great moment for that reincarnated human to realize he moved what a SSJ3 couldn't move.
Also, if he does meet Beerus, would that be the same Beerus as the chessmaster in the last page, or is that the Beerus of "that world?" That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
Kid playing as Yamcha: Oh where am I? Nurse: You've been in a coma for 20 years. Kid: Wow what year is this ma'am?! Nurse: Excuse but did you just assume my gender? That meme was the first thing to come to mind when I read the part about the blackout .
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Post by Axalon on Sept 20, 2017 19:16:28 GMT
That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
Kid playing as Yamcha: Oh where am I? Nurse: You've been in a coma for 20 years. Kid: Wow what year is this ma'am?! Nurse: Excuse but did you just assume my gender? That meme was the first thing to come to mind when I read the part about the blackout . ......................... ...God I hate 2017.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 26, 2017 19:19:46 GMT
That is an interesting question. I think it would all depend on if the reality of the game was a simulation or an actual set of alternate timelines created by Beerus and Champa playing their game. That's actually brings up that compelling question of whether or not it was a simulation or new timelines created by Beerus and Champa. If they are new timelines, does that mean after the game ended that the original Chiaotzu and Yamcha were returned to their own bodies? If so I'd really love to a sequel short about the result of them being confused as fuck because by their perception they just blacked out over 20 years of their lives.
Kid playing as Yamcha: Oh where am I? Nurse: You've been in a coma for 20 years. Kid: Wow what year is this ma'am?! Nurse: Excuse but did you just assume my gender? That meme was the first thing to come to mind when I read the part about the blackout . I like the One Piece version of that meme where the kid asks the nurse if Luffy found the One Piece yet and her response is silence.
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