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Post by Android 13 on Aug 18, 2016 20:00:36 GMT
Same as the what-if thread, I think we should have a versus one as well. First battle (don't hate on my picks pls ;/) : Garlic Jr. (with immortality) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 8) Edit:you guys can start your own battle,ignoring my suggestion
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Post by Android 13 on Aug 18, 2016 20:32:59 GMT
I threw this battle as first, because it would be endless. I think Garlic Jr.'s immortality is absolute - after all, it was granted to him by Shenron.As for Broly, although his power or ki doesn't rise infinitely(sorry Salagir and Broly fans), his ki won't run out no matter how much energy he spends (from what we have seen in the movie).So I think the battle would end only when Broly somehow dies (or either one gets sucked in the Dead Zone ).
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Post by Ashanark on Aug 19, 2016 1:44:27 GMT
I think I'll go with one of the more famous ones: Perfect Cell (not Super) vs. Broly (the movie 8 version, not DBM's). You could even throw Bojack and Dabura in there, too. Now, Broly ate a head-on Kamehameha wave without any ill effects. (It may not have impressed him, but the same move from Goku sure blew Cell's mind.) Still, while Broly was able to withstand an awful lot of damage, he seemed to be having difficulty actually killing the Z-Fighters. If the Cell Juniors could beat up Vegeta, and Cell was stronger than them, and this was before he went to his max, I think Cell would've been able to hit a lot harder than Broly. If the two were to fight, I think they'd be about equal in speed and do about as much damage to each other, but Cell would eventually win through use of regeneration, I think. Bojack is tricky, because (in the movie, not DBM) his base form was already apparently stronger than MSS Gohan, and who knows how much more his second form added on to that. I think he would have a better time against Cell than against Broly, since Cell is more fragile, but would ultimately be unable to beat either of them. Movie 8 Broly would get wrecked by Super Saiyan 2 Gohan just as badly as the other two, though. Though I don't want to begin a "Was Gohan Super Saiyan 2 against Dabura" debate right here (I'll make a thread for those sorts of things), I think Dabura was Perfect Cell vs. Vegeta level, so he'd get trounced by Cell, Broly, or Bojack in a straight fight, but if he could pull off his magical abilities the only one he'd lose against would be Cell (as seen in DBM). Other interesting matchups: Android 16 vs. Super Android 13, Metal Cooler vs. Bio-Broly P.S. Android 13--the quote underneath your name is the reason why Funimation Dub is the best
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Post by Android 13 on Aug 19, 2016 11:55:19 GMT
Yeah, thanks Ashanark .I grew up with both the Funimation Dub and the japanese dub (one of my earliest memories of Dragon Ball was the fight between GT Goku and Cell and Frieza in Hell, and I watched that in japanese if I remember correctly), and I like both, but I still prefer the Funimation one.(a few years back they broadcasted Dragon Ball GT with japanese dub and BG subs and it was amazing while it lasted .)As for the fights:Super Android 13 vs Android 16- Most people put Super Android 13 at Semi-Perfect Cell level, and I think so too(although it was never stated, the timeline in which the Movie takes place is most probably where Goku fought off the virus earlier than the battle with the Androids and all of the Z-fighters killed 17 and 18), so I think if they are powerful enough to kill 17,18 and Cell, and not being able to do so much as move Super 13 when he transformed, he's got to be way stronger than them.And as we saw,a full-force punch to the face of Semi-Perfect Cell by Android 16 just barely pushed his face slightly backwards, so I have to go with my favourite here .As for Meta Cooler vs Bio Broly - as much as I don't want to discuss this one, I guess I will try to.First, it depends where the fight happens.Second, main factor that killed Bio-Broly was the ocean, and both Namek and Earth have them.If Meta Cooler realizes his weakness, Broly is done for.If he doesn't, but has his hundreds of clones, that will be one heck of a long fight.It truly is a fight I don't want to see, or to discuss, so I will leave things here . P.S I have my own opinion about the power of Broly, and a battle between Broly-Dabura-Bojack-Cell is impossible to tell who is going to win because of their similar power, yet very different abilities and techniques.(If a Broly thread suddenly appears, or people just start arguing about him, I may throw my theory on him [it is based on what is shown in Movie 8], but that doesn't mean it's 100% correct, but for me at least it is.)
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Post by Decimus on Aug 20, 2016 18:52:39 GMT
What about transformed Janemba vs kid buu? In short, I think Janemba has the edge in raw power, but Buu would win due to his abilities. Also how do you think Hirudegarn would fare against these two? Or in an all-out brawl?
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Post by Ashanark on Aug 20, 2016 19:29:28 GMT
What about transformed Janemba vs kid buu? In short, I think Janemba has the edge in raw power, but Buu would win due to his abilities. Also how do you think Hirudegarn would fare against these two? Or in an all-out brawl? I'd say that Janemba was the strongest of the three, considering that he handily beat SS3 Goku, who frequently seemed to have the advantage over Kid Buu and flat-out killed Hirudegarn. Whether or not Janemba or Kid Buu could kill each other is hard to say, since it seems like Janemba could regenerate like Kid Buu, just through the power of Lego. Janemba's portals would give him a tactical advantage, though Kid Buu might still have the upper hand in endurance.
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Post by Archon on Aug 20, 2016 20:22:37 GMT
Not to mention if Kid Buu absorbed anyone with any level of intellect along the way and learned of the weakness to insults. XD
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Post by jkrevan on Aug 21, 2016 18:02:16 GMT
Hmm what ifs are... well.. Iffy
I got a fun one...
Mr Satan Vs Nam (from DB)
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Post by Archon on Aug 21, 2016 22:16:30 GMT
Broly vs Hatchiyak.
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Aug 22, 2016 4:57:37 GMT
Hirudegarn vs Janemba vs Kid Buu- Hirudegarn > Janemba > Kid Buu would be my ranking; Hirudegarn may have gone down to SSJ3 Goku but it was from some specialized deus ex-machina Dragon Fist technique that allowed him to do so, that attack could very well have ended Janemba or Buu for all we know. Up until that point Hirudegarn one-shotted Vegeta, hit SSJ3 Gotenks so hard it instantly ended the fusion, and was making light of Ultimate Gohan.
Mr. Satan vs Nam- Nam destroys him, the OG Dragon ball fighters all put him to shame. Mr. Satan struggles to break through a pile of tiles while Nam was jumping kilometers in the air for attacks. All of the good fighters left after the scene Goku and Piccolo caused which allowed the scrubs to come into the tournament, the announcer himself has said all the matches were boring once the Z-fighters left.
Broly vs Hatchiyack- Hatchiyack's power was defined as "Stronger than Broly" and he has a lot more techniques on top of that. Hatchiyack is the obvious choice, at least against Movie 8 Broly.
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Goku, Gohan, Krillin, & Yajirobe (Saiyan Saga scenario) vs Dodoria Bonus: Swap with Zarbon if Dodoria is not enough
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Post by Archon on Aug 22, 2016 10:44:49 GMT
Actually the reason was that Hirudegarn was weak to emotions. Hence why the ocarina worked on him because it evoked emotions. He couldn't go into smoke form during those times. Goku was constantly acting like Vegeta and taunting Hirudegarn and then wuickly killed him with Dragon Fist. Also what if it was DBM Broly, Wheelo?
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Post by someone on Aug 22, 2016 11:55:18 GMT
What about Tenshinhan vs Krillin? They should be on a similar level after Kami's training and both have their very special moves capable to kill the other (Ex. multi-Kienzan, shin Kikoho, ecc... ). Also...
C-17 vs C-18 / C-17 vs C-16
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Aug 22, 2016 17:22:20 GMT
DBM Broly vs Hatchiyack- Broly destroys him because Salagir turned him into a freak of nature that can fight with Vegetto. That said, with Raichi there's potential for a DBM Hatchiyack to appear as his trump card, and there's freedom for him to be even stronger.
Tien vs Krillin- I'd go with Tien, and the reasoning is simply the reliability of their kill moves. The Kienzen is a really unreliable move, Krillin's kienzan has never scored a direct hit a single time in canon, it can be avoided fairly easily. Kikoho is a highly accurate attack that has actually never missed it's mark in the entirety of Dragon Ball, it was even good enough to intercept a ki-blast from Buutenks. In a match to the death there's a much higher chance of Krillin being tagged by the Kikoho than Tien getting tagged by the Kienzan. If this is post-Kami Saiyan saga versions then he's just straight up stronger as well.
17 vs 18- I always got the feeling these two were meant to be seen as equals. I guess I'd give a slight edge to 17, he seemed like more of a fighter and I believe he was the one bragging about how he was the strongest, which 18 didn't call him on. It could honestly probably go either way, I'd just personally give 17 with the benefit of the doubt.
17 vs 16- Android 16 would take 17 & 18 at the same time. He was more or less equal to Imperfect Cell, the same Imperfect Cell that had just crushed 17 and Piccolo and took their strongest attack without flinching.
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Post by Android 13 on Aug 22, 2016 20:53:16 GMT
DBM Broly vs Hatchiyack- Broly destroys him because Salagir turned him into a freak of nature that can fight with Vegetto. That said, with Raichi there's potential for a DBM Hatchiyack to appear as his trump card, and there's freedom for him to be even stronger. Tien vs Krillin- I'd go with Tien, and the reasoning is simply the reliability of their kill moves. The Kienzen is a really unreliable move, Krillin's kienzan has never scored a direct hit a single time in canon, it can be avoided fairly easily. Kikoho is a highly accurate attack that has actually never missed it's mark in the entirety of Dragon Ball, it was even good enough to intercept a ki-blast from Buutenks. In a match to the death there's a much higher chance of Krillin being tagged by the Kikoho than Tien getting tagged by the Kienzan. If this is post-Kami Saiyan saga versions then he's just straight up stronger as well. 17 vs 18- I always got the feeling these two were meant to be seen as equals. I guess I'd give a slight edge to 17, he seemed like more of a fighter and I believe he was the one bragging about how he was the strongest, which 18 didn't call him on. It could honestly probably go either way, I'd just personally give 17 with the benefit of the doubt. 17 vs 16- Android 16 would take 17 & 18 at the same time. He was more or less equal to Imperfect Cell, the same Imperfect Cell that had just crushed 17 and Piccolo and took their strongest attack without flinching. I agree 100% with you on everything. I would like to see your opinions on this one guys - GT Kid Goku vs Buuhan, and if you think SSJ-SSJ3 wouldn't be enough, SSJ4 Goku vs Buuhan.Also, Super 17 vs Buuhan?
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Post by Veya on Aug 23, 2016 3:47:28 GMT
Garlic Jr. (with immortality) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 8) Broly wouldn't be smart enough to do it, but any other Super Saiyan could probably beat Garlic Jr., Garlic wouldn't be able to harm a Super Saiyan, at all, I am not even sure he could throw them into the Dead Zone unless they straight up walked into it, and they would probably figure that throwing Garlic Jr. into the sun is the best solution. Even if he can be completelly obliterated and still regenerate, the point stands that the sun could legitimately keep damaging his body as fast if not faster than he can regenerate, plus he would have to try to escape the sun's gravitational pull while severely damaged and weakened, it is worth to note that the sun(our real life sun, at least, I am not sure about DBverse's sun, but it is the closest estimative) has a gravitational pull 28x stronger than Earth, while Goku broke hit the 100G during the Namek saga, I am legitimately unsure if Garlic would be strong enough to get out while at full power, much less while being constantly damaged by the very thing he is trying to escape. Eventually, when the sun died out and colapsed into a black hole(and I am talking several several millions years here), Garlic would be even more fucked, if he couldn't escape the sun, he would have no chance of escaping any natural black hole, even if he could escape, literal million years of isolation would have left his mind warped and broken, plus there is a very large chance that humanity perished long before that point(and it would definitely perish without the sun), so anything he ever knew would be gone. As for Broly, if Broly couldn't figure out that throwing Garlic into a star is the best solution, Garlic could luck out and Broly would die of old age(I am not kidding here, it is the only way I can figure Garlic winning) before he could figure anything out, of course, there is a chance that Broly could fling Garlic into the sun or any other stars by complete accident, overall, if Broly tried to fling him out and missed, Garlic Jr. should know better than keep trying to to fight a Saiyan behemoth.
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Post by Archon on Aug 23, 2016 4:52:55 GMT
Garlic Jr. (with immortality) vs LSSJ Broly (Movie 8) Broly wouldn't be smart enough to do it, but any other Super Saiyan could probably beat Garlic Jr., Garlic wouldn't be able to harm a Super Saiyan, at all, I am not even sure he could throw them into the Dead Zone unless they straight up walked into it, and they would probably figure that throwing Garlic Jr. into the sun is the best solution. Even if he can be completelly obliterated and still regenerate, the point stands that the sun could legitimately keep damaging his body as fast if not faster than he can regenerate, plus he would have to try to escape the sun's gravitational pull while severely damaged and weakened, it is worth to note that the sun(our real life sun, at least, I am not sure about DBverse's sun, but it is the closest estimative) has a gravitational pull 28x stronger than Earth, while Goku broke hit the 100G during the Namek saga, I am legitimately unsure if Garlic would be strong enough to get out while at full power, much less while being constantly damaged by the very thing he is trying to escape. Eventually, when the sun died out and colapsed into a black hole(and I am talking several several millions years here), Garlic would be even more fucked, if he couldn't escape the sun, he would have no chance of escaping any natural black hole, even if he could escape, literal million years of isolation would have left his mind warped and broken, plus there is a very large chance that humanity perished long before that point(and it would definitely perish without the sun), so anything he ever knew would be gone. As for Broly, if Broly couldn't figure out that throwing Garlic into a star is the best solution, Garlic could luck out and Broly would die of old age(I am not kidding here, it is the only way I can figure Garlic winning) before he could figure anything out, of course, there is a chance that Broly could fling Garlic into the sun or any other stars by complete accident, overall, if Broly tried to fling him out and missed, Garlic Jr. should know better than keep trying to to fight a Saiyan behemoth. Damn.....that's a pretty good explanation lol
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Post by Dr. Wheelo on Aug 23, 2016 5:33:38 GMT
More likely Garlic Jr. would stupidly open up the Dead Zone like always and Broly would send him into it with a lariat.
GT Goku/Super 17 vs Buuhan- Have to give this to the GT cast, too much of a power boost from Z, it's implied that base Goku in GT is around the SSJ3 form of Z Goku. Elder Kaio actually states Baby Vegeta had the greatest ki he ever felt (which should include Buuhan and Vegetto) and SSJ4 Goku made a mockery of him. Super 17 may be a closer match initially, but he'd quickly shoot ahead if Buu used any ki-attacks on him, which it would likely come to.
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Post by Android 13 on Aug 23, 2016 13:06:10 GMT
More likely Garlic Jr. would stupidly open up the Dead Zone like always and Broly would send him into it with a lariat. GT Goku/Super 17 vs Buuhan- Have to give this to the GT cast, too much of a power boost from Z, it's implied that base Goku in GT is around the SSJ3 form of Z Goku. Elder Kaio actually states Baby Vegeta had the greatest ki he ever felt (which should include Buuhan and Vegetto) and SSJ4 Goku made a mockery of him. Super 17 may be a closer match initially, but he'd quickly shoot ahead if Buu used any ki-attacks on him, which it would likely come to. I agree with you and love the fact that I am not the only one who considers Daizenshuu's "SSJ Vegito is as strong as SSJ4 Goku!Deal with it " to be not even near the truth.Even if we agree that it is true, the only way for it to be actually near right is that this SSJ4 Goku is in fact a what-if DBZ SSJ4 Goku.
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Post by Symbiotic on Aug 23, 2016 15:54:09 GMT
Garlic Jr vs Broly: Depends on your interpretation of immortality. BoD's would have Broly win in the blink of an eye. If it's just pure not dying, then Garlic wins by Broly getting bored and leaving. Or Broly eats him. Eww. Perfect Cell vs Broly: If it turns into a straight beam battle, Broly wins. If Cell displays some of the sneaky skill he exhibited in his imperfect form then he could beat Broly. Android 16 vs. Super Android 13: If that was Super Piccolo then the two of them are roughly equal. 13 has a larger range of combat capabilities that would give him a very sharp edge, but 16 could win. He's analytical and his Hell Flash attack is a great ultimate. So I'd put it as 13 winning 6/10 times. Metal Cooler vs. Bio-Broly: Cooler. Doesn't even need reasoning. Kid Buu vs Janemba: Most of Janemba's attacks would do jack to Buu, and while we didn't see the limits of Janemba's endurance I doubt it's anywhere near Buu's. It either gets beaten to death or absorbed. GT Goku vs Buuhan: Repeat of Vegito fight but with Buu dying. Super 17 vs Buuhan: Absorption or candy ray win. Super 17 is cocky enough to just stand there and let the candy ray hit thinking its an average beam. 17 vs 18: 18. I know very little about moves she has that her brother doesn't, but if the common thing of her knowing the kienzan is true then that's a win. DBM Broly vs Hatchiyak: Hatchiyak has to finish Broly quickly or its scrap.
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Post by TheAncientCenturion on Aug 23, 2016 20:22:03 GMT
This could probably be it's own board itself. Expand it to include other fictional characters (Supaman), and I can see this being a popular place.
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