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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Jan 17, 2017 22:24:47 GMT
We all know that Gotenks never used SSJ2 maybe because he never knew about it which is why he bypassed it to SSJ3 (this only makes sense using the anime filler with Goten and Trunks seeing Goku go SSJ3.) But if he did use SSJ2 where would you place his power? His base power post training in the HBTC I'd place him still below Fat Buu but once going SSJ I'd say he's more powerful than Fat Buu and possibly slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku. SSJ2 I'd say he's Evil Buu level if not stronger since Evil Buu is the only character shown between Fat Buu and Super Buu power. And SSJ3 is on par with Super Buu. Thats just my thoughts, I'd love to hear yours.
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Post by Android 13 on Jan 17, 2017 22:40:27 GMT
We all know that Gotenks never used SSJ2 maybe because he never knew about it which is why he bypassed it to SSJ3 (this only makes sense using the anime filler with Goten and Trunks seeing Goku go SSJ3.) But if he did use SSJ2 where would you place his power? His base power post training in the HBTC I'd place him still below Fat Buu but once going SSJ I'd say he's more powerful than Fat Buu and possibly slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku. SSJ2 I'd say he's Evil Buu level if not stronger since Evil Buu is the only character shown between Fat Buu and Super Buu power. And SSJ3 is on par with Super Buu. Thats just my thoughts, I'd love to hear yours. Below Super Buu for sure  .Above Fat Buu and everyone else prior him.Also slightly higher than SSJ3 Goku probably.And Evil Buu is weaker than original Fat Buu, the later version of Fat Buu is more commonly knows as either Mr. Buu or just Good Buu.So yeah, I think SSJ2 Gotenks is stronger than the original Fat Buu. |
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Post by Azoth on Jan 17, 2017 22:49:49 GMT
Above SSJ Gotenks and below SSJ3 Gotenks. Anyway, above Fat Buu makes sense, probably on par with SSJ3 Goku. |
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Post by fooshin on Jan 17, 2017 23:41:45 GMT
One point I can add is that Goku was sure gotenks could defeat fat buu and he had no idea that gotenks would have ssj3 in doing so. He knew they could do level 1 and it's possible he might have guessed they could go level 2 but I'm pretty sure that he meant that at level 1 Gotenks was slightly stronger than fat buu. Obviously that would imply that super buu was far far stronger than fat buu since ssj3 gotenks was about equal to super buu and there's a lot of debate on that but I see that as one of the strongest pieces of evidence to indicate there really was a large gap there.
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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 17, 2017 23:55:03 GMT
Lolz a thread about me! How lovely.  Anyways to get a understanding about Gotenks, lets go back to when he first formed. Now when he first appeared in his base form, Gotenks was extremely confident that he could defeat Fat Buu with no problems despite Piccolo calling him a dumbass. Upon confronting Buu, Gotenks did managed to get a couple of hits in (anime-wise since the manga skipped the whole fight), but was completely screwed when Fat Buu decided to go ham on him. Thus his power is obviously lower than Fat Buu's, and by extension SSJ3 Goku Upon refusing as a SSJ, Gotenks was once again showcasing his superior attitude like before, but this time Piccolo was amazed by his extraordinary power. This here could be implied that Gotenks has finally rivaled or even surpassed Fat Buu and SSJ3 Goku, which is a extraordinary feat on its own. Unfortunately while it is untested since Gotenks decided to fly around the world about eight times and taking a small nap, I truly believe that Gotenks could actually put Fat Buu in his place. Upon doing his HBtC training, base Gotenks was able to fend off even Super Buu, though the demented djinn was highly suppressing his power and immediately turned the tables upon going even a little bit serious. But upon becoming a SSJ, Gotenks for the most part was able to fend for himself against Super Buu despite the demon still being leagues ahead of him. This is supported when both Gotenks and Piccolo failed to completely eradicate Super Buu after blowing him to bits via SGKA. Thus Super Buu > SSJ Gotenks Now for the ultimate question of this thread. How strong would you place SSJ2 Gotenks? To be honest Azoth said it best, which is literally between SSJ Gotenks and SSJ3 Gotenks. However there is more to it! SSJ3 Gotenks is widely considered to rival or even slightly surpass Super Buu since he managed to completely curbstomp the djinn at the end, thus bending him to his mercy. Before he could fire a kamehameha to end the monster at full power, he simply ran out of energy, followed by losing his fusion altogether. Going by this, we can infer than SSJ2 Gotenks is still weaker than Super Buu, but would put up a hell of a lot better compared to just being a SSJ. Furthermore Goku in both the manga and anime (inside Buu's body) literally states that he and Vegeta were no match against Super Buu without his absorptions. If this can be trusted, that means that Super Buu is still above SSJ3 Goku. So what does this intel? This means that SSJ2 Gotenks is stronger than Fat Buu and SSJ3 Goku, but theoretically rivals Super Buu though he would still ultimately lose. However SSJ2 Gotenks is definitely no match for Super Buu (post absorptions), Ultimate Gohan, and Vegito. So at the very least, SSJ2 Gotenks can be considered the fourth strongest individual if you decide to forget about his SSJ3 transformation. Now as for GT, Heroes, or Super, that another discussion for another time. |
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Post by fooshin on Jan 18, 2017 0:07:26 GMT
Yeah, what xenon said is right on. I would say that ssj3 gotenks did appear to be for sure stronger than Super buu but not nearly enough to trump his regen abilities. Gotenks<<<<<<<<<<<fat buu<ssj1 gotenks<<<ssj2 gotenks<<super buu<ssj3 gotenks.... something like that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 2:13:48 GMT
Since the opening post question has been answered, how about this question: how strong would SSJ2 Gotenks be if Goten and Trunks both mastered SSJ2 (equal to Buu saga SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta) ! I'd say somewhere between Super Buu and Buuhan and SSJ3 might be as strong as SSJ1 Vegetto or between SSJ1 and SSJ2 Vegetto. It depends on the difference between the two types of fusions. |
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Post by Azoth on Jan 18, 2017 2:25:45 GMT
Since the opening post question has been answered, how about this question: how strong would SSJ2 Gotenks be if Goten and Trunks both mastered SSJ2 (equal to Buu saga SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta) ! I'd say somewhere between Super Buu and Buuhan and SSJ3 might be as strong as SSJ1 Vegetto or between SSJ1 and SSJ2 Vegetto. It depends on the difference between the two types of fusions. We could indeed be close to Vegeto level, or even in it. It's honestly hard for me to get a read on just how powerful Gotenks was, seeing as he spent most of his time fucking around. If he took things seriously for even a few minutes, I think he would have wiped the floor with Super Buu before he got a chance to do anything. If Goten and Trunks were Majin Vegeta-tier, SSJ Gotenks probably be close to what they were at as SSJ3. SSJ2 could definitely be within reach of Vegeto, at least SSJ Vegeto. |
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 18, 2017 7:34:37 GMT
Since the opening post question has been answered, how about this question: how strong would SSJ2 Gotenks be if Goten and Trunks both mastered SSJ2 (equal to Buu saga SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta) ! I'd say somewhere between Super Buu and Buuhan and SSJ3 might be as strong as SSJ1 Vegetto or between SSJ1 and SSJ2 Vegetto. It depends on the difference between the two types of fusions. Under those conditions than I think SS2 Gotenks is near the neighborhood of SS2 Vegetto. I don't really think the potara being superior to fusion dance means its stronger, but rather the earrings are superior because doesn't have the same requirements and weaknesses as the dance. It gives the person the strongest possible combination as soon as they use the earrings. I say this because I think had Goku and Vegeta used the dance to face Gohan Buu over the potara that Gogeta would have only need level 1 to easily beat Gohan Buu the same as Vegetto. Going by that principle than I think if Goten and Trunks reached SS2 and were at the level their dads were in Buu arc that their fusion would make a warrior on a level similar to Vegetto. With one person lacking SS3 they probably be weaker than Vegetto/Gogeta though, but probably not enough that Gotenks at SS2 only matches Vegetto at SS1 or anything like that. |
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.Above Fat Buu and everyone else prior him.Also slightly higher than SSJ3 Goku probably.And Evil Buu is weaker than original Fat Buu, the later version of Fat Buu is more commonly knows as either Mr. Buu or just Good Buu.So yeah, I think SSJ2 Gotenks is stronger than the original Fat Buu.
