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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 30, 2017 17:59:16 GMT
Which warrior powered up Piccolo more. Nail raised him from 28,000 (At best) to over 1,200,000 (50x increase) while Kami gave Piccolo from 2,000,000 to Trained 20,000,000 (10 times) If this is accurate, Piccolo should have absorbed another namekian instead. .
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 30, 2017 20:27:30 GMT
Why do you think Piccolo's power level was 28,000? He was only at King Kai's planet for six days and didn't even get the complete training like Goku did (no Kaioken or Spirit Bomb). That increase seems too high.
Edit: I always assumed Kami was the bigger increase, since he and Piccolo were originally one being to begin with and were almost meant to be whole.
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Post by Saucemonkey on Jan 30, 2017 20:46:53 GMT
I'm sorry but none of this post makes much sense here. First of all, the Power Level numbers you throw out here are totally unsubstantiated, there's no basis to go off of and even if we do take them at face value then your claim on Piccolo only going to 20 million would be subject to scrutiny since most people stick to the 150 million number for Goku's SSj form. If the Androids were stronger than Frieza and Goku at the time, and Piccolo was about as strong as Android 17, then he would at the very least have had to have jumped up beyond 150 million. However, I despise Power Levels, so I'm not going to really get into it because I'd probably screw something up myself.
To be completely honest, the Nail fusion was absolutely horrendously OP. Nail was not even a slight match for 1st form Frieza, and Piccolo hadn't even spent half a year on King Kai's planet before heading off to Namek, so I doubt he could have been any stronger than Vegeta when he arrived on Earth. This is just yet another Deus Ex Machina on the level of Zenkai's that partially ruined the Frieza saga for me, and this one was worse because it ultimately amounted to nothing. The Kami fusion made far more sense, since they were two halves joining back together, and Nail had previously foreshadowed that if Piccolo had been whole he most likely could have defeated Frieza. Though the canonicity of the movie is highly questionable, the Lord Slug movie further set the groundwork for why the fusion between Piccolo and Kami would have such a dramatic effect, since the Nameless Namekian that Kami and Piccolo had been prior to splitting was stated to be a Super Namekian and on the same level as Lord Slug, who at that time of his arrival seemed to be stronger than anyone on Earth by a large margin.
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Jan 31, 2017 23:51:35 GMT
Well as we all know Nail boosting Piccolo to Frieza 2nd form level was a ridiculous power boost and was indeed a deus Ex machina. But still a kick ass fight showing how cool Piccolo is in my opinion. But I do think Kami was more potent than Nail. Kami was the opposite of Piccolo, his other half and finally fusing with him gave the return of the nameless namek. I wish AT went somewhere with the lore of the nameless namek and his backstory. But since we're on the topic of namek fusion. If Piccolo fused with Demon King Piccolo how strong would he be? In the DBZ game Super Sonic Warriors they placed Piccolo on Super Buu level which I think is waaay too powerful. Would he gain a significant boost or not so much?
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Post by Xeno Black on Jan 31, 2017 23:56:07 GMT
It should be obvious it is Kami.  SSJ4 GOD MultiI too have played with Supersonic Warriors 2 and seen the story of Buu saga Piccolo fusing with Demon King Piccolo to achieve the levels of Super Buu. It may seem far-fetch, but I am okay with it since I love Piccolo, especially with him being super strong. |
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Post by Saucemonkey on Feb 1, 2017 1:42:36 GMT
If Piccolo fused with Demon King Piccolo how strong would he be? Personally I believe that Demon King Piccolo no longer exists outside of what he gave to his son. I'm not sure if this is 100% canon, but from what I remember King Piccolo transfered his very soul into Piccolo Jr., which is why when Goku killed him, Kami remained alive as well. The two weren't connected by body, but by soul, which is why Piccolo Jr. and Kami were linked once King Piccolo gave birth to his son. Without a soul, he wouldn't be able to go to the afterlife, and thus there would be no King Piccolo in Hell or anywhere else for that matter. If someone were to try to wish him back to life, I think one of two things would happen: Either the Dragon wouldn't be able to return him to life since his soul resides within Piccolo Jr., or his soulless body would be brought back and he would essentially just be in some kind of vegetative state without a soul. However, if I was wrong and he did still exist in some form, I don't think he would power Piccolo up very much. Much of Piccolo's original strength resided in the merger with Kami, that's how he became whole again. Fusing with King Piccolo wouldn't make him even more whole, he's already basically returned to his original Nameless Namekian self. I feel like fusing with King Piccolo at that point would just be like fusing with a regular Namekian, and not a particularly powerful one either. I'm not sure how powerful Piccolo was at the end of the Buu Saga (personally I'd say somewhere between Perfect Cell and SSj2 Gohan during the Cell games) but if he were to fuse with King Piccolo around that time, then I'd say it really wouldn't have much effect. |
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Post by Eldagusto on Feb 1, 2017 2:44:28 GMT
Which warrior powered up Piccolo more. Nail raised him from 28,000 (At best) to over 1,200,000 (50x increase) while Kami gave Piccolo from 2,000,000 to Trained 20,000,000 (10 times) If this is accurate, Piccolo should have absorbed another namekian instead. . The numbers you posit are arguable, for instance its possible if you go off the Anime Piccolo was closer to Ginyu in strength hence why he could take on all the other Z fighters who were comparable to the Ginyu Force. But any number past 1 million is nonsense because the Power Level conceit breaks down after that. But I like to think Fusing with Nail invigorated Piccolo, while Fusing with Kami kind of Neutered him. For instance he had a fire lit in him from the Nail fusing, but the Kami fusing... made his improvements less significant and made him rest on his laurels. |
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Feb 1, 2017 3:55:20 GMT
Yeah sucks how after the defeat of Cell everyone kinda just stopped. Krillin, Yamcha, and Gohan I can understand but Piccolo too? I mean we aren't too sure if he continued to train or not, maybe a light sparring from time to time but its obvious after fusing with Kami he didn't seem as thrilled to fight as he did before.
But was it only reasons on why he trained. Before Raditz he was dubbed "evil" and trained to kill Goku. Then trained because of the saiyans. Trained on King Kai's planet because why not, better than doing nothing in heaven. Then trained 3 years for androids and trained in the time chamber for Cell. After that he didn't need a reason to train. And it sucks too since he is one of my favorite characters.
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 1, 2017 4:37:51 GMT
I don't think it was so much that Piccolo stopped training, but just that higher thresholds of power the harder it is for characters to reach. Piccolo wasn't at Perfect Cell's level in the Buu arc, but keep in mind even Goku and Vegeta needed SS2 to surpass that level and Goku's SS2 was only to said be stronger than Gohan's SS2 during the Cell Games, not significantly stronger and he had SS3 under his belt as well. Piccolo probably still kept up with his training and might have even worked hard to surpass Gohan and Cell, but he just hadn't done it yet in seven years. I don't doubt he was probably strong enough to give the Saiyans one hell of fight as long as they didn't exceed SS1. Who knows by the end of the series Piccolo could have easily been above SS2 tier opponents.
Kami so much tampered Piccolo's fighting spirit, but that his temper was tampered and he was better focused. It's just those Super Saiyan transformations kept getting bigger power ups and he ran out of Nameks to absorb.
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Post by supernekomajin on Feb 11, 2017 16:01:46 GMT
Nail said before the fusion that Piccolo was much stronger than him, and he didn't know Piccolo was wearing weighted clothing. Piccolo's power was way over 42,000.
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