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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Mar 24, 2017 12:54:22 GMT
Since I posted about her in the Multiverse discussion, I thought it would be appropriate to place the topic here. Do you accept Gine and the replaced story of Bardock and the origins of Goku? I personally do not. I hate Gine and her character, I hate the retold story, I hate how more and more their changing Bardock's character to justify him as a "good" guy rather keeping him your typical saiyan.
There is nothing special about him than the rest. He's just the father of the main protagonist, he's a low class rising to the elites and has a cursed future seeing ability given to him by his enemy. You may say that makes him unique compared to others saiyans but not placing him as the hero's father, he would be seen as your average saiyan who was killed by Frieza.
Don't get me wrong, Bardock is in my top 5 favorite character. He's a fucking badass but he's nothing special than what the fanbase place him. And Gine isn't either. I don't understand why there is so much acceptance for her. She's fucking useless! Can't fight, works as a fucking cook or something which is dumb. Why not kill her off like the other saiyans considered weak or send her to a desolate planet like Tarble. Why would Bardock want such a weak partner?! Ugh. Give me your thoughts on the topic.
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Post by Symbiotic on Mar 24, 2017 13:43:43 GMT
Do I accept Gine: Doesn't matter, died on Vegeta. What irritates me is all the ways the fandom is trying to shove her into everything.
Do I like the altered origins: Not even a little. I liked the original special more, even with the psychic powers because it highlighted that Bardock really wasn't any different from Raditz. I also don't like how the fandom bends over for him at every turn.
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Post by Android 13 on Mar 24, 2017 14:40:17 GMT
I accept the fact that finally Goku was given a mother, but her nature just annoys me. Though it kinda matches with Goku's character, he is like a combination of Gine's kindness and Bardock's, well, Saiyaness. To be honest, I like Gine more than Hanasia. Just my opinion though.
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Post by Son Pan on Mar 24, 2017 14:59:46 GMT
I don't really care about her one way or the other. I didn't like DB Minus. It didn't have a story, didn't explore the characters it introduced, and made Goku's similar story to Superman's origin almost a carbon copy of it. It doesn't really explain how Raditz knew he was there let alone how he thought husband parents sent Goku there to kill all life.
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Post by Ashanark on Mar 24, 2017 19:48:05 GMT
I prefer Hanasia as Goku's mom. I'm not a fan of how Salagir made her THE strongest Saiyan, but:
1) she looks like Raditz and Gine doesn't
2) she's got a Saiyan's personality and Gine doesn't
3) she's one bad*ss mother and Gine isn't
4) she's brave and got a good work ethic, two personality traits which can be seen in Goku and not in Gine
5) she doesn't require retconning large parts of already existing story and making Goku a Superman ripoff, which Gine does
From Hanasia's first panel in DBM--"Souters didn't exist when we were born. Maybe you were at one unit just like him"--Salagir had me sold. I think she adds a lot to both Bardock and Goku's characters, whereas Gine actively changes or detracts from both.
P.S., I appreciate how Salagir firmly keeps the Saiyans as bad guys. Before Goku hit his head, Bardock was the most sympathetic Saiyan out there, because he was the only Saiyan who genuinely cared about other Saiyans' lives. But that's it. Bardock might be cool, but he's not a nice guy, or even a hero: he still had zero problem genociding entire planets. Saiyans are nasty. It seems fans forget that sometimes. Gine's a problem because she contradicts everything we've seen about Saiyans. And if Gine's good-hearted, it makes Goku less significant--he's not the only "pure-hearted" Saiyan anymore.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Mar 24, 2017 21:19:09 GMT
I "accept" but also absolutely disapprove of it.
Hanasia is just an evilz wonderwoman who is slightly smarter than the average saiyan, but this works better to me IMO. Especially given the context Universe 3 is developed into.
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Post by The Masterman on Mar 25, 2017 13:31:44 GMT
Is Gine from the chapter 0 crap? Because if so then HELL NO.
Hanasia is way more interesting without breaking pretty much everything Toriyama gave us about the Saiyans. :T |
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Post by Xeno Black on Mar 25, 2017 16:37:48 GMT
She aight. Nothing special but at least we know where Goku came from. Now we only need Vegeta and Broly's mother to conclude the immediate family trees.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Mar 26, 2017 18:41:09 GMT
Everyone got the good points before I did. Darn. Goku is copy of superman bc of Gine's inclusion, Bardock loses his badass status for falling for a "nicer" Saiyan like Gine, and Goku's head trauma might not be the cause of his Saiyan Nature Heel turn change. Hanasia, while hurting the story for being called the Strongest Saiyan, does keep in line with the callous nature of the Saiyans and their ways of life, while reminding Bardock that POWER LEVELS ARE BULLSHIT! power alone doesn't decide one's fate/capabilities... erm to some extent. [My point: Strategists can do more damage than a brute force weapon.] Also I'm The Retro Kakarotto here, so here's a lol for y'all: I like Hanasia as my mom more than Gine. |
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Post by Namikaze on Mar 28, 2017 6:04:06 GMT
Looks: Yes
Character: No
Goku's Origins: Good lord No!
Bardock: *Breaks Desk in rage*
But overall? Nah, I don't really care.
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