??????
|
Post by Namikaze on Mar 28, 2017 7:00:42 GMT
During my time in the community, I often see that the Faulconer score is either widely loved or hated among fans everywhere. This is less about agreeing with either side, but more about what you consider good & bad about it.
Good: 1) It's catchy as hell (Subjective, of course) 2. Sometimes... it just fits. (Also subjective) Bad:
1. Sometimes it doesn't fit. (Hey, you already know what I'll say here ) - As much as it can be catchy, there are other times it's just action-y for the sake of it. The original is a bit better in this sense to build tension during the show. Essentially: less is more. 2. It's pretty omnipresent - Building on what was stated earlier, it just never seems to quiet down a bit. Like, it plays in every single scene, important or not. Sometimes it is just distracting. Verdict: I personally like the score with all its flaws & all, but I've curious on what you all think. Feel free to discuss, post your favorite track, or discredit it if (and all) you want.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Xeno Black on Mar 28, 2017 21:09:59 GMT
Overall Bruce Falconer really does make good music. But my favorite track was made by Scott Morgan, a contributor to Bruce. It was excellent during the Goku and Majin Vegeta fight. Here is the track:
|
|
??????
|
Post by Xeno Black on Mar 28, 2017 21:18:47 GMT
Another amazing Bruce song that is iconic throughout the fandom. To me every time I hear it, I always see Imperfect Cell blasting Piccolo right through his chest:
|
|
??????
|
Post by Xeno Black on Mar 28, 2017 21:20:51 GMT
I'm sorry for constantly posting Bruce's music, but so many good tracks needs to get recognized. When I was a kid, I loved this track during the Garlic Saga:
|
|
??????
|
Post by Android 13 on Mar 28, 2017 21:24:55 GMT
There's a Youtube channel which I'm not sure if you are familiar with guys, it's called coycoy88 and that guy uploads unreleased soundtracks and different versions of them. This is one of my favourite tracks -
|
|
??????
|
Post by Ashanark on Mar 29, 2017 2:23:51 GMT
There's a Youtube channel which I'm not sure if you are familiar with guys, it's called coycoy88 and that guy uploads unreleased soundtracks and different versions of them. This is one of my favourite tracks - I've been keeping up with that channel for years now--great stuff. @topic I love Bruce Faulconer's music. I also love Faulconer's music as a DBZ score. From my experience, people who don't like it tend to do so for one of three specific reasons: 1) It's too loud and doesn't match the series/genre 2) It never shuts up 3) It's low quality Of these points, I think #2 has the most weight. The Goku vs. Cell fight is almost unwatchable at times, not because the fighting music is bad (I love the Piccolo vs. 17 theme they use there) but because every time the scene changes to Hercule, Faulconer immediately hits the brakes and throws in some plodding bass notes. What a buzzkill! There are times when silence can be very effective, and Faulconer doesn't allow for much of it. On the other hand, about complaints #1 and #3...the original Japanese score, with its dinky martial arts music, fits very well with original Dragon Ball, because original Dragon Ball was a dinky martial arts cartoon. By the time of DBZ, however, we weren't watching a martial arts cartoon anymore; whether Toriyama wants to admit it or not, DBZ had become a superhero flick. When I watch the Japanese soundtrack I experience major dissonance because the corniness of the soundtrack doesn't match the intensity of the action; it'd be like taking the soundtrack from an old Western movie and playing it in the background of Superman vs. Zod in Man of Steel. So when I look at these: I think Faulconer's score is far more appropriate, hands down. And there are times when Faulconer taking away the silence adds SO MUCH to the scene: (No, really, if you didn't watch at least the first minute of that last video, you really should.) Faulconer is able to ramp up the horror of Imperfect Cell a gazillion percent through the music alone. The Japanese version can't really compare. Add to that the epicness of the Ginyu Transformation Theme ("Somebody's About To Die"), Vegeta's Super Saiyan Theme, and so many others, and Faulconer just makes Dragon Ball for me. I'm no expert with the Japanese soundtrack, but it seems to me Faulconer Productions put in just as much effort as the Japanese composer did, if not far more. He produced enough material to fill up about four CDs, whereas when I watch DBZ with the Japanese soundtrack, all the fight scenes seem to be the same "da da daaaa, da da daaaa" track repeated over and over. In the Faulconer score, almost every single character has multiple themes, and sometimes even the smallest scenes get their own music work. Some motifs reappear often, but the raw amount of music produced just boggles my mind. In terms of effort I think Faulconer wins, easily. So, in short, Bruce Faulconer and his team are awesome.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Axalon on Mar 29, 2017 4:02:13 GMT
Love Falconer's score. Easily the best soundtrack for DBZ, IMO.
Plus all these scores listed but one of the greatest themes isn't here so that all the peasants may BASK IN HIS ROYAL SAIYAN GLORY?! Shame on all of you!
|
|
??????
|
Post by Namikaze on Mar 29, 2017 5:07:11 GMT
Off-topic: You know, these scores played in the videos only make me realize how much the original Dub has not aged well in terms of voice acting. Some are good; some are bad, and others are just downright ugly. On-topic: As Android 13 posted eariler, there were also some great atmospheric tracks produced by Faulconer & his team. Also word to Coycoy88. The guy [girl] is like a library overflowing with the stuff as there's still some tracks I still find myself discovering or re-discovering in their channel.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Namikaze on Mar 29, 2017 5:23:00 GMT
Some other favorites of mine ( because, why not?)
And this gem from The Legacy of Goku II:
|
|
??????
|
Post by Xeno Black on Mar 30, 2017 3:34:42 GMT
Here is a song dedicated to Pikkon that was made by Scott Morgan, the original creator of Pikkon's Theme:
While hard to be used in the actual series, but it is still good nonetheless.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Saudade on Apr 2, 2017 3:30:59 GMT
I just can't fathom why people like Faulconer's score.
It's some synth/rock music that should have stayed in the 90's, a soundtrack that transforms Dragon Ball Z, a show that transcends time, in something old, dated, and in really bad taste.
I know nostalgia is a hell of a drug, but just compare this 2 scenes.
To this
Faulcouner is subtle as a family of elephants in a small antique store. He takes a moment that was supposed to be intimate, sad yet powerful and turns in some "badass" sinthy moment. And that sums ups quite nicely what is wrong with him, he lacks subtlety, lacks taste and lacks respect for the original work, all in favour of "badass" moments.
This scene in specific shows that, is pretty clear that a bird flying in the background is not supposed to be met with such low effort music, yet he can't help himself but put that thing there anyways. There is a reason why only americans like the Faulconer score, they grew up with it, I get it, but that does not makes it good. I love power rangers but the show is bad, is awful even, but I can't help to love it even knowing it is bad, and that's all I ask really, to admit the Japanese score is vastly superior in every way, it works in harmony with the show and is not struggling for young kids attention, and respects the style of the show. It is there to remember that Goku is not a badass, neither is Gohan, it is there to show that every fight, every foe they encounter brings them great pain and even with so many bad things, awful deaths, they can still overcome the challenge and win.
We see that a lot in the original score, playful music is replaced with a more dramatic music when the situation needs it, in a subtle way, keeping a theme around the show. In faulconer is either 5 year old Dora The Adventurer music or edgy disturbed noise in the background. I can digest the dub, but the music, impossible. There is a reason he fell in obscurity, that is because he is bad at making music. I can spend a whole day listening to the Japanese original music, Faulcouner I outgrew when I stopped listening Disturbed, that sums up.
PS: Gohan SSj2 original music did not aired in Brazil when I first watched it, I honestly do not remember that music, could be wrong tho. But everytime I listen to this song I get this chill down the spine, it is such a powerful song for a powerful moment. Faulconer is just lazy, boring and unoriginal.
My last comparison.
Faulconer
Japanese.
Do I even need to say anything? First the music that seems out of Beverly hills cop, then he just SMASHES some Metal in there, from nothing, no build up, just mashes the two together. A moment of controlled rage being unleashed, of vengeance for the death of his best friend, instantly ruined for the sake of "Badass" for the wow factor, it sounds Fan-made really. Like fan-made by me from 2005 made. It is just sad seeing a show that has a great original soundtrack reduced to this. The namek soundtrack, tho catchy and really good, gets repeated a lot, but even then it's miles away better than this.
I seen enough shows/movies/animes/series/etc. to recognize good music and good taste from bad and poorly done choices, and this is one of them. It adds nothing, in fact it detracts from the show and what the moments mean. Sorry, for me Faulconer is just bad for Dragon Ball and a blight in the show's legacy, you can listen to it in the Gym tho.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Saudade on Apr 2, 2017 3:58:40 GMT
Saudade
In all seriousness though, the only thing I agree with you on is that nostalgia plays a big part in why people like it today. Or, rather, if nothing else that's the reasoning I see everyone who doesn't like it use to justify other people liking it.
For me, yeah, maybe. Every time I try to watch/listen to the Japanese version, it legitimately depresses me, because it doesn't feel the same. Hell, I don't even recall ever noticing the sound track, yet every time I try to watch without it, I just can't. But I respect your opinion, it is what it is and at the end of the day it's really not that important (liking/not liking the soundtrack I mean of course xD)
People say nostalgia because really, it's the only reason, it's not like it's good music, it's not... But people like it anyways, so the only logical explanation has to be nostalgia, that or americans have some kind of ear differences from the rest of the world the last part we can agree, I like my dose of synth and Disturbed does hold a place in my hearth, forever marking my teens, but dragon Ball is not the place for this kind of music, and I will stand by that thought until the end of my days. really i don't post in these kind of threads too much, but I love to be the contrarian, and seeing people praising faulconer, I just can't help it but put a twist in here. Like we say here in my country " Putting together the useful with the nice" Sounds better in portuguese...
|
|
??????
|
Post by Namikaze on Apr 2, 2017 4:31:37 GMT
Saudade
In all seriousness though, the only thing I agree with you on is that nostalgia plays a big part in why people like it today. Or, rather, if nothing else that's the reasoning I see everyone who doesn't like it use to justify other people liking it.
For me, yeah, maybe. Every time I try to watch/listen to the Japanese version, it legitimately depresses me, because it doesn't feel the same. Hell, I don't even recall ever noticing the sound track, yet every time I try to watch without it, I just can't. But I respect your opinion, it is what it is and at the end of the day it's really not that important (liking/not liking the soundtrack I mean of course xD)
People say nostalgia because really, it's the only reason, it's not like it's good music, it's not... But people like it anyways, so the only logical explanation has to be nostalgia, that or americans have some kind of ear differences from the rest of the world the last part we can agree, I like my dose of synth and Disturbed does hold a place in my hearth, forever marking my teens, but dragon Ball is not the place for this kind of music, and I will stand by that thought until the end of my days.
really i don't post in these kind of threads too much, but I love to be the contrarian, and seeing people praising faulconer, I just can't help it but put a twist in here. Like we say here in my country " Putting together the useful with the nice" Sounds better in portuguese... Hush you. The Disturbed X DBZ connection was the bees knees ( In 2001, anyways) On-topic: Don't worry about feeling that way as this thread is meant to encourage either appreciation of said soundtrack, or healthy (major emphasis on that word) criticism or discussion of said topic.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 23:39:33 GMT
My favorite Faulconer theme was New Earth. It's so relaxing and gets me every time I hear it. I sometimes use it as a my alarm in the morning to start off a new day with New Earth !
|
|
??????
|
Post by Namikaze on Jun 3, 2017 2:22:17 GMT
I found some clips where the Faulconer soundtrack is integrated in pretty nicely. Here's one!
I like how the set pieces set the mood of the scene here - something I think is missing in Super from time to time.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 6:15:43 GMT
Just stumbled upon this and thought I'd share.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Conqueror Geng on Nov 10, 2017 7:20:26 GMT
I do not think it's bad, but I much prefer the original Japanese soundtrack. It just has more variety. Yeah, sure, it has depressing moments, but they happen in the right situations, then on other situations you have this: This is basically Cell's theme remix. But the only thing remixed are the drums (which do not exist in the original). Or this other one when Gohan transforms: Bardock's theme: In comparison, Bruce's music just seems like ill fitting place-holders, no offense. I really like his Cell's theme (and many scores appearing on Buu saga too) but even then it has nothing on the original.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Namikaze on Jan 28, 2018 7:57:19 GMT
Gotta say that one of the things that bugs me about Super's music is its implementation. Some tracks just happen and there's no natural transition that made moments in the past feel that much more impactful. Yeah, the omnipresence of Faulconer's stuff was an issue of itself, but I could at least see what they were going for. Anyway, don't mind this post. It's just a dumb american fan complaint.
|
|