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Post by christhesaiyan on Mar 31, 2017 19:30:14 GMT
Let's assume Goku (say the one who had just unlocked the SSJ form) and Krillin had identical base form power levels. Goku can use Super Saiyan and Krillin can use 50x Kaioken (say he learned the technique and augmented it via training, plausible enough considering Goku never used it in his base form again and never tried it at higher levels in base form once he became a Super Saiyan). Who would win and why?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 15:45:43 GMT
I think SSJ Goku would win. I'd imagine an initial SSJ would still be less strenuous than a Kaioken x50. Krillin might be able to train and grow accustomed to Kaioken but I don't think it would be possible to completely take away the strain for such a high level. In terms of skill, they might be even or close. They both trained under Master Roshi so they have similar experience and both learned Solar Flare from Tien.
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Post by Xeno Black on Apr 3, 2017 0:00:45 GMT
I'll say Goku since Super Saiyan has far less drawbacks compared to the kaioken. Krillin would probably maintain a 50X kaioken about 1/30th of the time Goku could sustain a 20X against Frieza, thus dooming him into failure regardless of the fights progression. Unless Goku was going easy and Krillin connected a solar flare and kienzan which decapitates his foe, Goku is guaranteed to win.
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Post by christhesaiyan on Apr 3, 2017 14:06:03 GMT
I'll say Goku since Super Saiyan has far less drawbacks compared to the kaioken. Krillin would probably maintain a 50X kaioken about 1/30th of the time Goku could sustain a 20X against Frieza, thus dooming him into failure regardless of the fights progression. Unless Goku was going easy and Krillin connected a solar flare and kienzan which decapitates his foe, Goku is guaranteed to win. Yeah I'd have to agree, the strain would be a lot. Although I wonder if It's possible to adjust the tolerance of the form through constant use, like what Goku and Gohan did with Super Saiyan. It's be much harder with the Kaioken but I'm sure it's possible. |
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Post by Xeno Black on Apr 3, 2017 14:24:42 GMT
I'll say Goku since Super Saiyan has far less drawbacks compared to the kaioken. Krillin would probably maintain a 50X kaioken about 1/30th of the time Goku could sustain a 20X against Frieza, thus dooming him into failure regardless of the fights progression. Unless Goku was going easy and Krillin connected a solar flare and kienzan which decapitates his foe, Goku is guaranteed to win. Yeah I'd have to agree, the strain would be a lot. Although I wonder if It's possible to adjust the tolerance of the form through constant use, like what Goku and Gohan did with Super Saiyan. It's be much harder with the Kaioken but I'm sure it's possible. Not easy, but I think it is possible to master the kaioken to the point the strain wont be too much. In fairy tail, Natsu had a difficult time using his Lightning Flame Dragon Mode when he achieved it (similar to kaioken that boosts the users stats), but once he got his second origin unlocked (akin to getting your potential unlocked by either Guru or Old Kai), the strain lessened substantially. Perhaps if anyone gets their potential unlocked who knows the kaioken, it will become similar to super saiyan. In fanfiction (writers such as Saucemonkey and Mr. Arkham) tweaked the kaioken where it does offer great power while eliminating the stamina drawbacks. Arkham refers to it as "Zen kaioken" where it increases only one stat (speed, power, etc) instead of the whole body, thus allowing the user to push the technique even further than normal (if 5x is the limit for the regular, then the zen will allow you to go to 20x). This will be the next best thing if the "full power" kaioken cannot be achieved, or invented for that matter. |
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Post by Son Pan on Apr 5, 2017 6:36:31 GMT
If their powers are equal I think it is a 50/50 chance for either of them. Kaioken would tax Krillin more than SS does Goku, but he is as crafty as Goku is if not craftier. With power gap closed it is entirely possible that Krillin could come up with a strategy or tactic that could allow him to trip Goku up long enough to use Kaioken fifty multiplier and Kamehamaha up close and behind him to take him out. If conserved the right way Krillin only uses it small bursts rather than having it on constantly he can lessen the strain on his body. It is a close match for me with winner going to who comes up with the better tactic. Krillin and Goku are crafty, so it would be a entertaining battle.
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Post by VoidSlayer on Apr 24, 2017 22:42:46 GMT
This is only if you assume that the initial Super Saiyan transformation is a simple 50x multiplier of power. Personally i find that a load of B.S. because it cheapens the whole transformation by reducing it to a blonde haired version of Kaio-Ken.
I know in the Lord Slug movie had Goku going as high as Kaiokenx100 but if you follow the SS multiplier logic that would of made Goku as powerful as a SS2. And he still needed a spirit bomb to finish him after gathering strength from Piccolo and the Sun (to power the spirit bomb)
My point is that even assuming identical strength levels in base, There's no way that Krillin could use that high a multiplier without his body bursting apart from the strain, and even if he did i don't accept that it would make him equal to the initial SS transformation.
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Post by fooshin on Apr 24, 2017 23:05:25 GMT
I agree with pan that if you're just asking who would win if they were at the same power level at that point in the story it would be a toss up. They both had a similar skill level and were both crafty fighters. Goku always had the sayain endurance and general toughness that krillin lacked so I'd still have to think goku would ultimately win.
If you're asking more about kaioken vs ssj then I would say that obviously it would have to be a short match for kaioken to hold out. Ssj revitalizes and kaioken is a major drain that actually damages the body. I don't think there is any evidence that says kaioken can really be "mastered" in such a way as to avoid this. That being said I would say that goku's ssj on namek was pretty wildly out of control. I like to think that it fluctuated between 90 and 150 million depending on his struggles to control it. If krillian was steady at 120 million and could maintain his kaioken long enough i think his control and steady pl might actually give him the win against goku's traumatized psyche and turbulent new form.
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