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Post by Xeno Black on Apr 4, 2017 19:36:01 GMT
Did you enjoy / hated the way Frieza originally died in Z by Future Trunks?
Originally I loved his death by Future Trunks since the time traveling saiyan hybrid was a badass throughout all those scenes. Granted it did made Freza insignificant since he went from the worst threat ever to some worthless villain in a single arc, but I still like how they made Trunks cool. Now that I am older, I dislike it since Frieza's death would have made a bigger impact if he did died on Namek instead of being rebuilt as a mecha only to die in like 15 minutes of combat later on. Instead I wish that Akira made King Cold into a bigger threat (akin to his DBM novel counterpart) who was accompanied by Cooler. That way seeing SSJ Trunks and Goku going toe to toe against 3rd form Cold and Augmented Cooler as the other z-fighters assisted would have made the Future Trunks saga far more grander.
Thoughts?
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Post by Android 13 on Apr 4, 2017 20:38:35 GMT
Kuler non canon! I, alongside other fans, often mistake that Frieza died on Namek at Goku's hands. Should it have happened like that? Maybe. But I think it was important for the saga that Future Trunks got to show off his power and Super Saiyan transformation. Should have we seen a fight between transformed King Cold and Trunks? It would have been cool, but that would have been in conflict with the overwhelming portraying of Super Saiyan. It was presented to us as the ultimate, strongest transformation possible, and later on, it was crushed with Vegeta's pride. I think it's better the way it happened, as it forced a buildup of Vegeta's character.
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Post by Axalon on Apr 4, 2017 20:59:40 GMT
Should've died on Namek.
Trunks still could've made a good impression by murderizing King Cold, seeking revenge for his son's death.
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Post by Namikaze on Apr 4, 2017 22:21:01 GMT
I don't mind it, but I would gladly switch it with Cold & Cooler coming to Earth instead if it made the latter canon because I personally enjoy his character.
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Post by Azoth on Apr 5, 2017 0:53:13 GMT
Cold and Coola showing up would have been rad, and hopefully we would have had Cold not be a worthless sack.
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Post by Son Pan on Apr 5, 2017 4:08:19 GMT
I think Freeza should have died after King Cold found him. If they find Freeza barely clinging on to life it gives Freeza enough time to tell his father who did this to him then he can die in his father's arms. Cold learns of the Super Saiyan from Earth, gives him enough motivation to go there to kill everyone personally and not just blow it up from a distance, and Trunks accomplishes the same thing by killing Freeza's dad as he did when he killed Freeza and Cold. It makes King Cold a grieving villain and makes him stand out more.
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Post by TheAncientCenturion on Apr 26, 2017 2:35:59 GMT
His death was cinematic enough that I don't loathe it. But, Frieza was used as a way of escalating the series further - power wise - which is an utter waste of his character. I whole heartedly defend the position that Frieza should have survived Namek and returned some time later as a recurring force, instead of receiving the Tao treatment. But, Akira wasn't even all that far ahead planning wise, of the Android/Cell Saga. This is all hindsight. But the series could've used a stronger villain than Buu or Cell near the end and I don't think Frieza was ever truly finished.
Namek would've been a very good way to end his character, but then you also have the entire space arc closing and now you're stuck on Earth. Which means you need to contrive more opponents for the seemingly unstoppable Goku. Which worked well for the Androids. Less so for Cell. And Buu was just. . . Badly shoe horned in. A return of the Galactic Emperor would've been better, IMO.
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Post by fooshin on Apr 28, 2017 21:46:55 GMT
I think freeza should have found redemption. He should have stayed on earth and joined the z squad like all the villains before. Maybe he could have sacrificed himself on cell's back chaozu style and being goku's newest and sweetest bff it could have forced out his ssj2. If only it were true...
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Post by Solus on Apr 28, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
I think freeza should have found redemption. He should have stayed on earth and joined the z squad like all the villains before. Maybe he could have sacrificed himself on cell's back chaozu style and being goku's newest and sweetest bff it could have forced out his ssj2. If only it were true... That sounds like a really terrible idea. |
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Post by Symbiotic on Apr 29, 2017 12:39:46 GMT
This is all hindsight. But the series could've used a stronger villain than Buu or Cell near the end and I don't think Frieza was ever truly finished.  |
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Post by The Masterman on Apr 29, 2017 13:39:30 GMT
Should've died on Namek. Trunks still could've made a good impression by murderizing King Cold, seeking revenge for his son's death. Yeah but without Frieza (last villain who's powers were looked at in full.) it'd be nearly impossible to gauge Trunks' power.
By finishing off the villain who pushed Goku so far, lasted so long in battle with him and survived an exploding planet after being cut in half just to come back with his father backing him Trunks raised the bar and proved why the Z Warriors should listen to him. (They wouldn't have been able to take him even as a team if he decided to turn on them.)
As for fooshin 's idea: Can we have a dislike button now?
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Post by Ashanark on Apr 29, 2017 20:28:55 GMT
As for fooshin 's idea:
Can we have a dislike button now?
The main page used to have a upvote/downvote function back in 2011 or so, but it was eventually gotten rid of (according to Stouty) because so many people were disliking for no reason or to bully others. On a forum where you have to create an account before doing anything, it'd probably be easier to prevent people from being jerks, but I personally would rather just have a like system. We mods could definitely talk about it, though. |
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Post by christhesaiyan on Apr 30, 2017 2:53:57 GMT
I thought his death was hilarious. He comes to Earth with his trademark arrogant smirk, ready to punish the Saiyan who beat him to a pulp and then spared his life, by blowing up his home planet, and gets sliced in half in mere minutes. I swear, my favorite thing about Frieza is how arrogant he is. I remember beating him in one of the last boss fights in Xenoverse and after killing him he just curses and yells about how I made a fool out of the "mighty" Frieza. He still thinks he's mighty and all powerful when he's killed twice by the same guy, the second time with an evil mode powerup.
But back on topic...overall no I think it could have been done better. As I said it was pretty damn funny seeing the look of horror on his face as Trunks slices him into pieces, and it did seem kind of fitting to jumpstart a new saga by immediately and comically killing off the last one's villain, but Frieza should have been killed by Goku on Namek. I feel like it degrades his character to kill him off with a new character that just popped up out of nowhere. They should have built up his death, show his mental suffering at being beaten and maybe throwing in an outraged swear of revenge.
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Post by Axalon on Apr 30, 2017 21:38:07 GMT
Should've died on Namek. Trunks still could've made a good impression by murderizing King Cold, seeking revenge for his son's death. Yeah but without Frieza (last villain who's powers were looked at in full.) it'd be nearly impossible to gauge Trunks' power.
Nonsense. Have him go SS1 and have Gohan or someone throw a line in about how "He's just as strong as Frieza!" or "He's even stronger than Frieza!" or "He's almost as strong as Frieza!" and between that and Goku casually blocking the sword with one finger you've established a threshold for Trunks off the bat. |
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Post by The Masterman on Apr 30, 2017 23:26:23 GMT
Yeah but without Frieza (last villain who's powers were looked at in full.) it'd be nearly impossible to gauge Trunks' power.
Nonsense. Have him go SS1 and have Gohan or someone throw a line in about how "He's just as strong as Frieza!" or "He's even stronger than Frieza!" or "He's almost as strong as Frieza!" and between that and Goku casually blocking the sword with one finger you've established a threshold for Trunks off the bat. I meant for the audience, yeah they could say that but we'd never truly know, power isn't everything if the person with it doesn't know how to fight like Gohan during the Saiyan Saga. Plus with no knowledge on King Cold all we'd get is estimates on their PL's and a fight that wouldn't have much impact due to Frieza not being there. All in all a way to keep Frieza going would be to have his father tell him to stay behind and recover while Cold went to earth leaving Frieza to wonder what happened, forcing him to find a way to train so he could take on someone strong enough to kill his own father. |
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Post by Axalon on May 1, 2017 0:08:06 GMT
I meant for the audience, yeah they could say that but we'd never truly know, power isn't everything if the person with it doesn't know how to fight like Gohan during the Saiyan Saga. True, but this really didn't matter again until DBS ironically. DBZ was mostly all about just having a bigger PL than the opponent. Even Gohan during his fits of rage was able to momentarily keep up with the likes of Raditz or Frieza, and then summarily beaten down when he lost it. It'd have less impact sure, but that just means Trunks wouldn't have this flashy entrance against Mecha Frieza. You'd still have a bar to measure against. Trunks was a SS1. He's attained the "legendary" transformation that only Goku had attained prior to this, the form used to defeat Frieza in the last arc. This establishes right off the bat he's higher than the other two strongest fighters there, Vegeta and Piccolo, and likely stronger than Frieza, the main villain of the last arc. As for Cold, people have been asking about him ever since he first appeared, and will likely continue so long as DB has an active fanbase, so I'll not dwell too much on him. Then Goku lands in his ship, Trunks tests his strength, likes it, then explains his backstory about androids even HE, a "legendary" Super Saiyan, cannot defeat. This establishes that there are villains coming stronger than Trunks and Frieza, and that MAYBE, with Goku, a man whose finger can parry slashes from Trunks' sword, there's a chance for survival. The bar is set from there. That would be an excellent way to have Frieza's eventual return in RoF. Shame they didn't use it. |
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