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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 14, 2017 0:02:16 GMT
Who here watches MasakoX's WHAT-IF Videos? I find them rather entertaining and think they actually fit pretty well here to discuss on this DBM Forum since basically the scenarios and how he plays them out are alternate Universes of the Dragon Ball Multiverse. Of course them being more about things happening differently in DBZ make them more fitting in the DBZ SubForum instead of the DBM SubForum.
Also what WHAT-IFs would you like to see MasakoX cover? If you have any ideas and wish for them to get some attention, feel free to let us know about ones you have suggested in the Comments Sections of his WHAT-IF videos and maybe your fellow members of this DBM English Forums can like those comments to help them possibly be noticed by MasakoX.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 14, 2017 0:22:43 GMT
His "WHAT-IF Goku turned Super Saiyan as a Kid" Series, "WHAT-IF Piccolo Fused with Kami Earlier in DBZ" Series, and "WHAT-IF Raditz Turned Good" Series are pretty good ones. I like those ones. As for one I'd like to see him make, I'd love to see him make a "WHAT-IF Grandpa Gohan Survived against Oozaru Goku" Series. I think that one really has a lot of potential for how much it would've impacted Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Grandpa Gohan having been alive throughout DB and at least part of Z (depending if he eventually died from old age), would have great impact on how events would've unfolded. Comments Sections of Videos I've Suggested ItWHAT-IF Vegeta was the First to Turn Super SaiyanWHAT-IF Raditz Turned Good (Part 4)I think I might've suggested it on more of his WHAT-IF Videos, but I can't recall which other ones. I'll update it as I suggest it on more videos and would appreciate it if you guys like the comments I post where I suggest it. Maybe that'll help him notice my suggestion and maybe he'll end up doing a series for it.
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Post by supernekomajin on Jul 15, 2017 16:40:53 GMT
I'm a little bit salty that they got so much more attention than Bringer of Death and Break Through the Limit considering they came first and they're the same concepts, but I think Masako's alright.
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Post by mechaglacier on Jul 15, 2017 17:37:27 GMT
Yeah I've enjoyed his what-ifs. A part of me has expected some GT based what ifs
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Post by Griffith on Jul 15, 2017 21:37:56 GMT
I disagree with the idea that if Vegeta had gone Super Saiyan he would have beaten Freeza. He just wasn't strong enough at the time. I would say that all that he would have managed to achieve was being killed by Freeza.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 15, 2017 23:24:45 GMT
I disagree with the idea that if Vegeta had gone Super Saiyan he would have beaten Freeza. He just wasn't strong enough at the time. I would say that all that he would have managed to achieve was being killed by Freeza. Yeah it's debatable. Vegeta jumped from 30,000 to 250,000 after healing from Recoome's beating. 2nd Form Frieza was over 1 million and Piccolo was able to handle 2nd form Frieza. Vegeta I believe did end up being stronger than Piccolo after Krillin almost killed him and he got healed by Dende, so it's possible he might've been around what MasakoX assumed he'd be at. If Recoome's beating gave him a little more than 8x more power than before, it's possible that being beaten by Frieza and then almost killed by Krillin would be enough to give him 10x more power than before. If it gave him the same as before, he'd have a power level around 2,083,000. If that was multiplied by 50 his power level would've been around 104,150,000 at Super Saiyan, which would've been almost 16 million shy of Frieza's maximum power level. MasakoX giving him a 10x Zenkai Boost and then multiplied by 50 gave him a power level that was 5 million higher than Frieza's maximum power level. So depending on whether the Zenkai was the same as before or higher, would then determine if Vegeta had enough power to defeat Max Power Final Form Frieza.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 15, 2017 23:28:48 GMT
I'm a little bit salty that they got so much more attention than Bringer of Death and Break Through the Limit considering they came first and they're the same concepts, but I think Masako's alright. Well that's to be expected that they'd get more attention. He is part of Team Four Star and therefore already has some popularity from the parts he plays with the most known part being the main character, Goku. Of course somebody that is a celebrity of sorts would gain more attention to his content than somebody that started off being a nobody so to speak prior to pumping out their content.
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Post by Eldagusto on Jul 16, 2017 15:10:04 GMT
My big issue is Masako always keeps Trunks the same, honestly it makes more sense to customize Trunks to the Timeline, why would Trunks always be from his classic mirai timeline, shouldn't it be a different future trunks if say Pickles died or Raditz was alive?
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 18, 2017 5:58:26 GMT
My big issue is Masako always keeps Trunks the same, honestly it makes more sense to customize Trunks to the Timeline, why would Trunks always be from his classic mirai timeline, shouldn't it be a different future trunks if say Pickles died or Raditz was alive? This I agree with. It really doesn't make sense at all. It's like he's too lazy to come up with how things would've played out differently in Future Trunks' timeline and how that would affect him coming back or if there would even be a Future Trunks to come back at all. Then the one time he does a What-If about Future Trunks' timeline, it ends with Gohan and Trunks defeating the Androids and therefore Bulma decides to not make a Time Machine to be used to go back in time. I had an issue with that too, because I still think Bulma would've created one, since she did so in the first place to create a timeline where the Androids had never terrorized the planet whatsoever. Having Trunks get Goku and possibly help from the other Z Fighters in the past was a secondary purpose to why she did that and that's why the Heart Medication was to be given to Goku. The lack of Androids in the Future Timeline shouldn't stop her desire to create a timeline where they never terrorized the world. The only difference that could've resulted in was that she'd send Gohan back instead at least for the first visit since the Z Fighters already know him and him going back wouldn't risk Trunks not being born in that new timeline.
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Post by Kirasha on Jul 29, 2017 19:24:51 GMT
I didn't agree with MasokoX's first What If on Raditz's survival, MasakoX made Raditz out to be a big ass coward at first, and while I do think that Raditz certainly has some cowardice, I don't think he'd be so much of a coward like MasakoX makes him out to be.
I also highly doubt that he'd jump in front of Piccolo to protect him from Nappa's Break Cannon, more so that he would slam Nappa to the side or slam down on his head similarly to what Krillin did to Recoome. Then, more likely, he'd chastise Piccolo for being an idiot and trying to sacrifice himself when he couldn't just yanked Gohan away rather than trying to take on the blast. I also didn't think Vegeta would intervene on the ground of being bored, he had no issue watching Nappa take on the Z Gang and was even willing to wait for an hour for Goku to arrive, him intervening just seems...out of character for Vegeta really, more so considering that, even after Goku arrived, he still pretty much stood and watched, so him being bored wouldn't be a thing honestly.
And Vegeta wouldn't finger beam Raditz, c'mon that's Frieza's schtick, Vegeta's all power and bravado, if he did want to try and kill Raditz, he'd do it with some kind of glorious blast just to show off his power. Along that, Goku wouldn't have allowed Raditz to die IMO, Raditz fought along with the others and helped them stay alive and more importantly, he'd helped keeping Piccolo alive, who's life was fairly important at that time. Goku would have, no doubt, given Raditz a senzu bean, because he still has them considering that Krillin and Gohan weren't beaten to a near pulp like in the canon story, and thus didn't need a senzu bean. Which means that Raditz would've survived and would've gained a Zenkai boost that pushed him well over Nappa's powerlevel. In which case it would have been Raditz vs Nappa and Goku vs Vegeta.
Raditz would've beaten Nappa and most likely killed him, after which he'd most likely go out to find Goku as he and Vegeta would be fighting elsewhere. Raditz would probably arrive by the time Vegeta had thrown the Power Ball, so then we'd have two Oozaru's roaming about and ending up clashing with each other, which means that Raditz would be keeping Vegeta busy and thus give Goku enough time to power up the Spirit Bomb and throw it at Vegeta, who'd probably nearly die from it considering the Spirit Bomb would be at full power this time around. Raditz would most likely rip off Vegeta's tail to have him turn back to base and Goku would most likely still plead for Vegeta to be allowed to escape cause he wants to beat Vegeta on his own.
Of course, this would also change everything about the further arcs, since Raditz is alive and well this time around, but I personally haven't thought further ahead of it.
Still, that being said, I do think MasakoX has some great What If videos, but I do feel at times that he's simplifying things to much, or is flat out wrong with something he says. (Such as that mini What If on whether Vegeta did kill fat buu and that Goku would be alive during the end of Z, which is bogus cause Goku was still on that 24 hour leave from Other World and would've returned and stayed dead after those 24 hours were up).
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Post by iron leaf on Oct 22, 2017 3:00:48 GMT
Sometimes I don't like his attitude. Like he is looking down on us, the normal Dragonball-Fans with no Youtube-Channel discussing Dragonball. It's sometimes so cringeworthy when he does his British roleplaying to make jokes or puns You can clearly see, he is one of the bigger DB-Youtubers. The moment an interesting DB topic is discussed on Youtube you can bet, that in the span of 3 days there will be a dozen videos with the same topic from different DB-Youtubers. (They are so creative, urgh) He's like most of them, just cash-grab videos. At least he is one of the few doing a decent job, presenting us his theories in a well researched manner. Since he is the voice of stupid TFS Goku, he kinda acts like it's totally normal if Goku acts super stupid in Dragonball Super and tries to convice everyone that it's a good thing we should roll with it. This pisses me off the most about him. But MasakoX, here come the positives. He actually allege reasons for his theories and he can pick holes in arguments. Sometimes he admits if he is wrong. Astonishingly, only the minority of DB-Youtubers does that. His videos are eventually a "hit or miss" situation. Sometimes worth the time to watch it, sometimes complete garbage. The " KALE VS BROLY - WHO DID IT BETTER?" video is just trash. But his " SUPER SAIYAN COLORS - SOLVED?" is actually interesting. The first time I heard about real Chakras was in Avatar: The last Airbender. That video was actually well researched.
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Oct 22, 2017 3:17:59 GMT
I have to agree with iron leaf on this one. I've tried avoiding his videos before because for some reason I knew I wouldn't like them. I watched his what if Vegeta turned ssj vids and what if raditz turned good and didn't finish. They were way to cringy and felt meh. I can't explain my emotions on them but they felt like videos I'd see from Geekdom101 or Seth the dickhead. Fanboys who act as if their the all knowing of the db communitiy on youtube and act like fanboys when knowing their beloved series is flawed.
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Post by Xeno Black on Oct 22, 2017 3:29:37 GMT
I have to agree with iron leaf on this one. I've tried avoiding his videos before because for some reason I knew I wouldn't like them. I watched his what if Vegeta turned ssj vids and what if raditz turned good and didn't finish. They were way to cringy and felt meh. I can't explain my emotions on them but they felt like videos I'd see from Geekdom101 or Seth the dickhead. Fanboys who act as if their the all knowing of the db communitiy on youtube and act like fanboys when knowing their beloved series is flawed. But..but..Geekdom 101 is cool.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Oct 22, 2017 9:16:09 GMT
iron leaf SSJ4 GOD MultiDamn I didn't know he had people with such hate boners directed at him. I actually only really watch his discussion vids and not his reviews of Super episodes, so I don't know if he does anything like that. To be honest I actually know him to be one of the few people to defend Goku and say that he isn't really stupid. He even did a whole video explaining how there are different types of intelligence and that Goku's just is not in areas that are conventional when it comes to how most people analyze a person's intelligence. Come on be honest, in many areas Goku is pretty stupid and while I did think it was kinda odd that Goku has never kissed Chi-Chi even once, it actually makes sense that he doesn't necessarily know the ways of love. I mean seriously he thought a bride was a type of food. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the very few times that Goku has had sex with Chi-Chi that he didn't really enjoy it and only did it because he felt he had to do it to not piss off Chi-Chi. Remember Chi-Chi has to put the fear in Goku to get him to do a lot of the family things that most people wouldn't even need convincing to do. Sure DBZA exaggerates Goku's stupidity to be funny, but to be honest Goku really is stupid in a lot of areas and his intelligence is mostly directed towards fighting and the martial arts.
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Post by Kirasha on Oct 22, 2017 9:30:13 GMT
Eh, Goku never having kissed is such a fluke. The joke was that Goku was talking about mouth feeding, and Vegeta about kissing, and neither knew what the other was actually talking about. But everyone took it as "Goku has never kissed" despite the fact that he did so in the Cell Saga, and he also dumped Gohan to play with Dende in the days before the Cell Games to get alone time with Chichi, so the man clearly doesn't dislike getting it on with his wife.
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Post by iron leaf on Oct 23, 2017 0:18:50 GMT
But..but..Geekdom 101 is cool. Nah, just joking. A few hours ago I exchanged a few words with him in a livestream. He's ok. He completely knows the position he is currently in the fandom. (And what kind of power he possess with all those subscribers. He knows what to say just to please the majority of his subscribers) Geekdom101 likes DBS and he has just a few things he doesn't like about it, so it's easy for him to overlook those problems. The general Dragonball fanbase doesn't like DBS in its current form and wants it to change (to something better of course). And there's me. I hate DBS and I wish they would just stop, not wait till the arc comes to a conclusion, just straight forward no DBS episodes anymore. Kor Saiyajinkami You know, I watched the whole series with the german dub. Just a few years ago, I started to watch my favorite moments in english (and of course TFS Dragonball). So, it is possible that the german dub fooled me to believe Goku is actually not a retard in DBZ. To be honest, I can't even remember one single scene where he was a complete moron unless the plot made him stupid (like he did not defeat Majin Buu as SSJ3 because he wanted the kids to take over). With his naive personality he seemed to be stupid but definitely not retarded. Maybe I watched the few MasakoX videos where he defends Goku's stupidity. I did not watched all his videos, man, nobody got time for that. Maybe he changed his mind over the course of a few years. Who knows.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Oct 23, 2017 0:34:38 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami You know, I watched the whole series with the german dub. Just a few years ago, I started to watch my favorite moments in english (and of course TFS Dragonball). So, it is possible that the german dub fooled me to believe Goku is actually not a retard in DBZ. To be honest, I can't even remember one single scene where he was a complete moron unless the plot made him stupid (like he did not defeat Majin Buu as SSJ3 because he wanted the kids to take over). With his naive personality he seemed to be stupid but definitely not retarded. Maybe I watched the few MasakoX videos where he defends Goku's stupidity. I did not watched all his videos, man, nobody got time for that. Maybe he changed his mind over the course of a few years. Who knows. Well he does defend Goku's stupidity because Goku is pretty stupid, but at least where others refuse to acknowledge Goku's genius for all things fighting and farming, he does defend Goku's intelligence. He grew up in the woods with no formal education, was never shown being taught by others anything one would learn in school on screen, didn't even know girls existed until he met Bulma (seriously Grandpa Gohan WTF?!), and thought a bride was a type of food, so when he promised ChiChi that they'd get married next time he saw her, it was him thinking she was promising to give himself delicious to eat. Being the honorable person he was, he just decided to marry her when he found out what it really was from her as an adult. He kept the promise he made as a child and married her because his 12 year old self promised he'd do it without even knowing what he was promising to do at the time. They didn't marry because they loved each other; they did it because Goku was an idiot and made a stupid promise because he used his stomach to do all his thinking that wasn't related to fighting. It's a miracle that Goku can even read or write for that matter since he either learned it very quickly as a young child from Grandpa Gohan -OR- was taught by Bulma &/or ChiChi offscreen. The fact that he has an at least average grasp of English and can do basic math is even more impressive, since I doubt he learned all of that from Grandpa Gohan before he accidentally killed him when he went Oozaru that one fateful day before the start of the series.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Oct 23, 2017 0:40:06 GMT
Eh, Goku never having kissed is such a fluke. The joke was that Goku was talking about mouth feeding, and Vegeta about kissing, and neither knew what the other was actually talking about. But everyone took it as "Goku has never kissed" despite the fact that he did so in the Cell Saga, and he also dumped Gohan to play with Dende in the days before the Cell Games to get alone time with Chichi, so the man clearly doesn't dislike getting it on with his wife. Yeah I thought it was weird that he claimed he never did that too seeing as I had vaguely recalled him doing so too. As for him liking sex, just because he left Gohan to play with an old friend that he hasn't seen in 3.5yrs, that doesn't mean his intent behind that was to go fuck his wife's brains out and sire another child. Honestly I like how TFS depicts that sex scene with their dialogue and showing a shot of their house outside. TFS depicts the act of Goku knocking ChiChi up with Goten as something that Goku was forced into doing and that ChiChi is very dom and that they went at it for hours the night before the Cell Games, not even caring that Gohan could probably hear them clearly from his room since they didn't even try to be quite about it. Sure TFS makes things up where things aren't explained, but they don't just completely make things up out of thin air either; they use educated guesses based off the actual characters to fill in the blanks and exaggerate it in the process to make it funny.
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Post by iron leaf on Oct 23, 2017 1:18:27 GMT
Well he does defend Goku's stupidity because Goku is pretty stupid, but at least where others refuse to acknowledge Goku's genius for all things fighting and farming, he does defend Goku's intelligence. He grew up in the woods with no formal education, was never shown being taught by others anything one would learn in school on screen, didn't even know girls existed until he met Bulma (seriously Grandpa Gohan WTF?!), and thought a bride was a type of food, so when he promised ChiChi that they'd get married next time he saw her, it was him thinking she was promising to give himself delicious to eat. Being the honorable person he was, he just decided to marry her when he found out what it really was from her as an adult. He kept the promise he made as a child and married her because his 12 year old self promised he'd do it without even knowing what he was promising to do at the time. They didn't marry because they loved each other; they did it because Goku was an idiot and made a stupid promise because he used his stomach to do all his thinking that wasn't related to fighting. It's a miracle that Goku can even read or write for that matter since he either learned it very quickly as a young child from Grandpa Gohan -OR- was taught by Bulma &/or ChiChi offscreen. The fact that he has an at least average grasp of English and can do basic math is even more impressive, since I doubt he learned all of that from Grandpa Gohan before he accidentally killed him when he went Oozaru that one fateful day before the start of the series. I understand where you're coming from. Just to be clear. Origin Dragonball Goku was retarded. That's for sure. But I felt like he changed since the marriage proposal with Chichi. After Goku defeated Piccolo Jr., he and Chichi went to Frypan Mountain and all these weeding dress incident and with the weeding preparation he kinda acted a little more mature (not exaggerated stupid anymore). And then in DBZ he has a son. So, AT probably thought, Goku can be still a naive stupid adult, but with a kid he shouldn't be a total retard anymore.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Oct 23, 2017 1:50:34 GMT
Well he does defend Goku's stupidity because Goku is pretty stupid, but at least where others refuse to acknowledge Goku's genius for all things fighting and farming, he does defend Goku's intelligence. He grew up in the woods with no formal education, was never shown being taught by others anything one would learn in school on screen, didn't even know girls existed until he met Bulma (seriously Grandpa Gohan WTF?!), and thought a bride was a type of food, so when he promised ChiChi that they'd get married next time he saw her, it was him thinking she was promising to give himself delicious to eat. Being the honorable person he was, he just decided to marry her when he found out what it really was from her as an adult. He kept the promise he made as a child and married her because his 12 year old self promised he'd do it without even knowing what he was promising to do at the time. They didn't marry because they loved each other; they did it because Goku was an idiot and made a stupid promise because he used his stomach to do all his thinking that wasn't related to fighting. It's a miracle that Goku can even read or write for that matter since he either learned it very quickly as a young child from Grandpa Gohan -OR- was taught by Bulma &/or ChiChi offscreen. The fact that he has an at least average grasp of English and can do basic math is even more impressive, since I doubt he learned all of that from Grandpa Gohan before he accidentally killed him when he went Oozaru that one fateful day before the start of the series. I understand where you're coming from. Just to be clear. Origin Dragonball Goku was retarded. That's for sure. But I felt like he changed since the marriage proposal with Chichi. After Goku defeated Piccolo Jr., he and Chichi went to Frypan Mountain and all these weeding dress incident and with the weeding preparation he kinda acted a little more mature (not exaggerated stupid anymore). And then in DBZ he has a son. So, AT probably thought, Goku can be still a naive stupid adult, but with a kid he shouldn't be a total retard anymore. I will agree with you that he did graduate from elementary grade school stupid to adult stupid. Oh and you may or may not already know this, but the wedding dress stuff was all non-canon since it didn't happen in the manga and AT didn't say he'd add it into what's considered canon.
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