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Post by christhesaiyan on Sept 10, 2017 21:19:34 GMT
I've been wondering about this, because it would make a lot of sense and would be a really great way to repair the damage right after he killed Cell and the Androids. These are the explanations I can think of:
-He didn't have time, there were too many threats to his Earth keeping him busy: He could have gone after the Androids were defeated, or he could have asked Bulma to go for him. Yes it would have slowed down the rebuild of their world but considering how powerful wishes from the Dragon Balls can be in the long run it would be well worth it.
-He didn't know where New Namek was: Considering that Bulma's main timeline counterpart was able to build a device that could track the Super Dragon Balls, I'm sure she could build one to find the Dragon Balls on New Namek. That or he could simply travel back in time again (once they gained enough resources) and ask Goku where it's located. Also, albeit a much, much more radical solution might have been for Trunks to willingly kill himself so that he could track down Goku in the afterlife and ask him to get King Kai's help. They could find New Namek much more quickly, use the Namekian Dragon Balls to revive Trunks, then use the remaining two wishes to help rebuild the timeline. It would be drastic but the gain is getting practically anything they need to rebuild and recover, plus Trunk's death wouldn't be permanent.
-Not worth it: It is reasonable to assume that Trunks didn't think it would be worth the time to find New Namek, especially since right after the Androids were killed the threat to his timeline was gone, and he probably would have prioritized helping to rebuild: If he had found New Namek, not only could he have used their Dragon Balls, he could have asked Dende to revive and upgrade the original Dragon Balls, which would greatly benefit his world in the long run.
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Post by Son Pan on Sept 10, 2017 21:42:02 GMT
They don't know where New Namek is. They didn't know where it was in the main timeline either until Goku went to King Kai and he told him the direction it was in so he could use Instant Transmission to take him there. It makes sense in the alternate timeline that the gang didn't know where it was either and just couldn't make the trip.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 21:46:08 GMT
I also think that due to the destruction caused by the Androids, there were not many resources left which Bulma could use to build a ship. That and combining their lack of New Namek's coordinates, couldn't make the trip.
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Post by christhesaiyan on Sept 10, 2017 22:54:26 GMT
They don't know where New Namek is. They didn't know where it was in the main timeline either until Goku went to King Kai and he told him the direction it was in so he could use Instant Transmission to take him there. It makes sense in the alternate timeline that the gang didn't know where it was either and just couldn't make the trip. Read second point above, I already thought of that. |
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Post by christhesaiyan on Sept 10, 2017 23:07:18 GMT
I also think that due to the destruction caused by the Androids, there were not many resources left which Bulma could use to build a ship. That and combining their lack of New Namek's coordinates, couldn't make the trip. When you consider how many spaceships were around before the Androids attacked, and the fact that Bulma was able to salvage enough resources to build a time machine, I'm sure this wouldn't really be much of a setback. There were a few spaceships already on Earth, even if they were destroyed I'm sure enough parts could be salvaged to repair at least one of them. Also there's absolutely nothing stopping Trunks from going to Other World himself, and asking Goku to get King Kai's help locating New Namek. Sure it would involve suicide and being dead until Porunga gets summoned but knowing Trunks I think he'd be willing to go through that if it meant reacquiring something as useful as the Dragon Balls, they could help his world a great deal. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 10, 2017 23:40:40 GMT
I also think that due to the destruction caused by the Androids, there were not many resources left which Bulma could use to build a ship. That and combining their lack of New Namek's coordinates, couldn't make the trip. When you consider how many spaceships were around before the Androids attacked, and the fact that Bulma was able to salvage enough resources to build a time machine, I'm sure this wouldn't really be much of a setback. There were a few spaceships already on Earth, even if they were destroyed I'm sure enough parts could be salvaged to repair at least one of them. Also there's absolutely nothing stopping Trunks from going to Other World himself, and asking Goku to get King Kai's help locating New Namek. Sure it would involve suicide and being dead until Porunga gets summoned but knowing Trunks I think he'd be willing to go through that if it meant reacquiring something as useful as the Dragon Balls, they could help his world a great deal. I don't think he'd know about being able to seek help from King Kai and Goku in the afterlife. Gohan was very intelligent, but never used his knowledge of his father to think of doing that, so how would Trunks possess that knowledge? If Gohan never thought it relevant to pass on that information then he wouldn't know about those things. Also Goku wasn't the kind of person to tell the entire tale of his training with King Kai to Gohan in the first place, so Gohan probably knew very minimal information about King Kai anyways. Another possibility could be that New Namek doesn't even exist anymore. Think about it, Goku let Frieza survive on Namek, right? Well it is therefore possible that when Frieza and King Cold came to Earth in the original timeline that after Goku defeated them that he let them live, ordered them to never return, and they left Earth. If that did happen then it is very much possible that Frieza wiped out all the Namekians and conquered New Namek OR straight up destroyed the planet. After all it wouldn't be unlikely that after seeing Vegeta and Krillin alive once more that Frieza ended up deducing that the Namekians were alive somewhere out there in the Universe as well. Seeing as he was in charge of a massive Planet Trade Organization that would mean he'd probably have the information network available to him to find out where the Namekians had relocated. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 8:02:13 GMT
When you consider how many spaceships were around before the Androids attacked, and the fact that Bulma was able to salvage enough resources to build a time machine, I'm sure this wouldn't really be much of a setback. There were a few spaceships already on Earth, even if they were destroyed I'm sure enough parts could be salvaged to repair at least one of them. Also there's absolutely nothing stopping Trunks from going to Other World himself, and asking Goku to get King Kai's help locating New Namek. Sure it would involve suicide and being dead until Porunga gets summoned but knowing Trunks I think he'd be willing to go through that if it meant reacquiring something as useful as the Dragon Balls, they could help his world a great deal. I don't think he'd know about being able to seek help from King Kai and Goku in the afterlife. Gohan was very intelligent, but never used his knowledge of his father to think of doing that, so how would Trunks possess that knowledge? If Gohan never thought it relevant to pass on that information then he wouldn't know about those things. Also Goku wasn't the kind of person to tell the entire tale of his training with King Kai to Gohan in the first place, so Gohan probably knew very minimal information about King Kai anyways. Another possibility could be that New Namek doesn't even exist anymore. Think about it, Goku let Frieza survive on Namek, right? Well it is therefore possible that when Frieza and King Cold came to Earth in the original timeline that after Goku defeated them that he let them live, ordered them to never return, and they left Earth. If that did happen then it is very much possible that Frieza wiped out all the Namekians and conquered New Namek OR straight up destroyed the planet. After all it wouldn't be unlikely that after seeing Vegeta and Krillin alive once more that Frieza ended up deducing that the Namekians were alive somewhere out there in the Universe as well. Seeing as he was in charge of a massive Planet Trade Organization that would mean he'd probably have the information network available to him to find out where the Namekians had relocated. It is already mentioned by Future Trunks that Goku killed Frieza and King Cold in his universe. Then Cooler attacked but was vaporized by Goku as well, leaving a power vacuum in the Planet Trade Organization. I like to think that Frieza only revealed his intent to travel to Namek to his most loyal soldiers who worked directly under him. Goku may never have even obtained New Namek's coordinates in the first place, because he fetched Dende after he recovered from the heart virus, which in Future Trunks' universe killed him. The only way for Trunks to obtain the coordinates would be to collect it from Goku in the DBZ universe. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 13, 2017 3:13:43 GMT
I don't think he'd know about being able to seek help from King Kai and Goku in the afterlife. Gohan was very intelligent, but never used his knowledge of his father to think of doing that, so how would Trunks possess that knowledge? If Gohan never thought it relevant to pass on that information then he wouldn't know about those things. Also Goku wasn't the kind of person to tell the entire tale of his training with King Kai to Gohan in the first place, so Gohan probably knew very minimal information about King Kai anyways. Another possibility could be that New Namek doesn't even exist anymore. Think about it, Goku let Frieza survive on Namek, right? Well it is therefore possible that when Frieza and King Cold came to Earth in the original timeline that after Goku defeated them that he let them live, ordered them to never return, and they left Earth. If that did happen then it is very much possible that Frieza wiped out all the Namekians and conquered New Namek OR straight up destroyed the planet. After all it wouldn't be unlikely that after seeing Vegeta and Krillin alive once more that Frieza ended up deducing that the Namekians were alive somewhere out there in the Universe as well. Seeing as he was in charge of a massive Planet Trade Organization that would mean he'd probably have the information network available to him to find out where the Namekians had relocated. It is already mentioned by Future Trunks that Goku killed Frieza and King Cold in his universe. Then Cooler attacked but was vaporized by Goku as well, leaving a power vacuum in the Planet Trade Organization. I like to think that Frieza only revealed his intent to travel to Namek to his most loyal soldiers who worked directly under him. Goku may never have even obtained New Namek's coordinates in the first place, because he fetched Dende after he recovered from the heart virus, which in Future Trunks' universe killed him. The only way for Trunks to obtain the coordinates would be to collect it from Goku in the DBZ universe. Okay. I thought Future Trunks had said that Goku had defeated them both, not specifically that they were killed. As for Cooler, Future Trunks wouldn't mention that since that wasn't even canon. I mean I guess in the anime it's possible he might've mentioned it non-canonically, but I don't even remember him doing that either. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 3:49:28 GMT
It is already mentioned by Future Trunks that Goku killed Frieza and King Cold in his universe. Then Cooler attacked but was vaporized by Goku as well, leaving a power vacuum in the Planet Trade Organization. I like to think that Frieza only revealed his intent to travel to Namek to his most loyal soldiers who worked directly under him. Goku may never have even obtained New Namek's coordinates in the first place, because he fetched Dende after he recovered from the heart virus, which in Future Trunks' universe killed him. The only way for Trunks to obtain the coordinates would be to collect it from Goku in the DBZ universe. Okay. I thought Future Trunks had said that Goku had defeated them both, not specifically that they were killed. As for Cooler, Future Trunks wouldn't mention that since that wasn't even canon. I mean I guess in the anime it's possible he might've mentioned it non-canonically, but I don't even remember him doing that either. Yeah, it was such a minor detail that was easily forgotten by many of us. I even had to browse the Dragon Ball Wiki just to confirm. I'd say that Goku had enough of Frieza's antics and decided to kill him off along with his father. He may have demanded that his henchmen leave with the ship, otherwise Bulma would have had access to some serious alien tech which would have allowed her to build more efficient ships. I also think that King Kai should have at least informed Trunks about New Namek and its coordinates sincr he is the last defender of Earth and would require it if Earth were to be attacked. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 13, 2017 4:51:26 GMT
Okay. I thought Future Trunks had said that Goku had defeated them both, not specifically that they were killed. As for Cooler, Future Trunks wouldn't mention that since that wasn't even canon. I mean I guess in the anime it's possible he might've mentioned it non-canonically, but I don't even remember him doing that either. Yeah, it was such a minor detail that was easily forgotten by many of us. I even had to browse the Dragon Ball Wiki just to confirm. I'd say that Goku had enough of Frieza's antics and decided to kill him off along with his father. He may have demanded that his henchmen leave with the ship, otherwise Bulma would have had access to some serious alien tech which would have allowed her to build more efficient ships. I also think that King Kai should have at least informed Trunks about New Namek and its coordinates sincr he is the last defender of Earth and would require it if Earth were to be attacked. Yeah I checked the Wiki before I responded to your last comment and it said what you said, but later after responding I figured I'd check the manga since I found it odd that the Wiki didn't provide any sources for it. So I checked the manga and sure enough I was right in how I remembered it. Trunks says that Goku defeated them in his timeline. Sure Goku says that he should've killed Frieza back on Namek, but that doesn't necessarily mean he did so in the original timeline. And as for Cell's Timeline, he says Trunks defeated Frieza and Cell, so that doesn't provide any concrete confirmation either. Now I never really thought much about what Cell said when I was a kid and when I rewatched it various times as an adult it did confuse me a little, but I never gave it further thought really, but that does bring up some interesting stuff. It means there is another timeline where the Z Warriors even with Trunks' warning and his help failed to defeat the Androids. One where Trunks had intended on going back to create a 2nd timeline even further back to let them know that he had defeated the Androids. This brings up an interesting question. How many times did Bulma have to send Trunks back before it got to the point where our Z Fighters were successful. Also just because Trunks said Goku defeated them in his timeline that doesn't necessarily have to be true whatsoever. Trunks only knows what Bulma and Gohan told him, so they may have just told him that in order for him to try his best to successfully create a timeline where the Z Warriors succeeded. I mean it would probably be best to let him think that his timeline was the first timeline for time travel and to just make sure to give him more details than a previous attempt, so he would have a better chance at success. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 14:36:31 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami As Future Trunks said, "Multiverse Theory is a bitch". I like to think that even after Goku spared his life on Namek, Frieza went back on his word and attacked Earth with his father and soldiers. Goku, who teleported in instead of using one of the Ginyu Force spacepods got enraged and killed Frieza and Cold. Gohan and Bulma, who saw the incident, probably told Trunks that Goku defeated them (which as you said does not necessarily mean kill) just to prevent Trunks from learning about death at an early age or something like that.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 14, 2017 2:58:36 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami As Future Trunks said, "Multiverse Theory is a bitch". I like to think that even after Goku spared his life on Namek, Frieza went back on his word and attacked Earth with his father and soldiers. Goku, who teleported in instead of using one of the Ginyu Force spacepods got enraged and killed Frieza and Cold. Gohan and Bulma, who saw the incident, probably told Trunks that Goku defeated them (which as you said does not necessarily mean kill) just to prevent Trunks from learning about death at an early age or something like that. I actually like thinking that Goku didn't kill them because it very much fits with his character in Z at least. At some point in his late teens or early adult years, Goku must've learned that killing his opponents wasn't right and decided to start sparing future opponents. It might have even been when he fought Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Actually come to think of it, that probably was when he realized it or maybe at some point a little before then. Also it fits his character and also helps explain why Bulma never went looking for the Namekian Dragon Balls. Why look for them if you know they are already gone? I mean she is smart enough to know that Frieza would've selected New Namek as one of his first targets after discovering that people he had killed had been revived by the Dragon Balls. Also in spite of Son Goku who had bested him twice. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 4:56:13 GMT
Kor Saiyajinkami As Future Trunks said, "Multiverse Theory is a bitch". I like to think that even after Goku spared his life on Namek, Frieza went back on his word and attacked Earth with his father and soldiers. Goku, who teleported in instead of using one of the Ginyu Force spacepods got enraged and killed Frieza and Cold. Gohan and Bulma, who saw the incident, probably told Trunks that Goku defeated them (which as you said does not necessarily mean kill) just to prevent Trunks from learning about death at an early age or something like that. I actually like thinking that Goku didn't kill them because it very much fits with his character in Z at least. At some point in his late teens or early adult years, Goku must've learned that killing his opponents wasn't right and decided to start sparing future opponents. It might have even been when he fought Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Actually come to think of it, that probably was when he realized it or maybe at some point a little before then. Also it fits his character and also helps explain why Bulma never went looking for the Namekian Dragon Balls. Why look for them if you know they are already gone? I mean she is smart enough to know that Frieza would've selected New Namek as one of his first targets after discovering that people he had killed had been revived by the Dragon Balls. Also in spite of Son Goku who had bested him twice. I suppose what you say is true. I was under the assumption that Goku was still not in emotional control of the Super Saiyan transformation and so gave in to his anger at Frieza going back on his word and killing him. Goku sparing Frieza and his entourage is true and indeed within his character. I guess my opinion is slightly biased since I've only watched the anime. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 14, 2017 5:20:10 GMT
I actually like thinking that Goku didn't kill them because it very much fits with his character in Z at least. At some point in his late teens or early adult years, Goku must've learned that killing his opponents wasn't right and decided to start sparing future opponents. It might have even been when he fought Piccolo in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Actually come to think of it, that probably was when he realized it or maybe at some point a little before then. Also it fits his character and also helps explain why Bulma never went looking for the Namekian Dragon Balls. Why look for them if you know they are already gone? I mean she is smart enough to know that Frieza would've selected New Namek as one of his first targets after discovering that people he had killed had been revived by the Dragon Balls. Also in spite of Son Goku who had bested him twice. I suppose what you say is true. I was under the assumption that Goku was still not in emotional control of the Super Saiyan transformation and so gave in to his anger at Frieza going back on his word and killing him. Goku sparing Frieza and his entourage is true and indeed within his character. I guess my opinion is slightly biased since I've only watched the anime. I've only watched the anime too ya know. The only time I've read the manga was to check up what the manga said to determine what canonically happened for discussions like these. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 5:51:48 GMT
I suppose what you say is true. I was under the assumption that Goku was still not in emotional control of the Super Saiyan transformation and so gave in to his anger at Frieza going back on his word and killing him. Goku sparing Frieza and his entourage is true and indeed within his character. I guess my opinion is slightly biased since I've only watched the anime. I've only watched the anime too ya know. The only time I've read the manga was to check up what the manga said to determine what canonically happened for discussions like these. At least you went through the trouble to look for the info. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Sept 14, 2017 6:00:38 GMT
I've only watched the anime too ya know. The only time I've read the manga was to check up what the manga said to determine what canonically happened for discussions like these. At least you went through the trouble to look for the info. Well to some extent, I think most of us here do it. Some of us might go further in our search for the info than others, but to be informed helps us have high quality discussions about the fandoms we love so much. I usually just use the DB Wiki really. I only go further if I notice the DB Wiki is lacking in sources for the information it provides. If an encyclopedic source of information is lacking in sources, then it's failing to do it's job and you can't exactly know if the info on that specific page is entirely true ya know? |
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