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Post by christhesaiyan on Sept 25, 2017 23:47:18 GMT
Let's say there was no evil reincarnated Chiaotzu in this one, and the reincarnation game continued into DBS. What would you have done differently from the main character?
For me personally it would have been a lot of things, but here are the highlights:
-Use Dragon Balls to gain ability to copy any non species-unique technique (primarily to learn Kaioken, Multiform, Body Change, Instant Transmission, Demon Sealing, Majin mind control, shapeshifting ability (God turning into Bulma and poking myself would be fun) stuff like that)
-Not retire from fighting for 5 years (I think the character in the manga also didn't retire though), help Goku and Piccolo in fight against Raditz
-Leave with Goku to go to Namek and train with him during that time, use Hyperbolic Time Chamber to train while he recovers before the trip (mainly to master Kaioken as much as possible)
-Kill off Captain Ginyu once he's a frog since he's an annoying prick (a funny annoying prick but a risk factor I wouldn't be willing to put up with)
-Sit back eating popcorn while watching Trunks fight Frieza (learning IT once Goku shows up)
-Train ass off and grow personal supply of Senzu Beans before the Androids Saga, also learn Mafuba from Master Roshi and learn as much from Bulma about technology in DB as possible
-Blow up Android 19 on the spot when he shows up, take away parts to study the energy stealing technology later. Blow up Gero's lab by myself but salvage as much info on Androids 17, 18, and other relevant info as possible
-After Android Saga and Cell Games, gradually work on converting myself into a cyborg using Dr. Gero's tech and data, integrate energy stealing technology if I can. Spend rest of time training to master new Android body
-Ensure that I'm present when Vegeta gets Majinized so that I can copy the ability, get Old Kai to unlock my potential after Gohan, then Majinize myself for the power boost.
During DBS:
-Steal Dragon Balls from Pilaf (kill him probably), then wish for immortality
-Go vacation on Namek right before Beerus comes to Earth
-Kill off several more members of Frieza's army than the original Yamcha due to having the Kaioken+two potential unlocks+Majin seal+Android body
-Go watch Beerus destroy Zamasu so I can learn the Destroy technique
-Go to the Future Trunks timeline and kill Black/use Mafuba on Zamasu before they even utter the word "Justice"
-Participate in Tournament of Power, knock Jiren off first so that he gets to focus all of his energy on that constantly serious expression on his face, then mess with Beerus by pretending to jump off the stage just as I'm about to win
In case you haven't figured it out yet I've given this quite a bit of thought.
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Post by FunnyEvil on Oct 6, 2017 8:22:09 GMT
Killed Vegeta without a second thought, screw Future Trunks and his sully "I must save the future" attitude, I want my waifu.
Even if she does yell at me 1440 times a day...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:55:23 GMT
I would ask Porunga to turn me into a Saiyan and then for my second wish to become as smart as Gero. That way I could build a robot lady and get Old Kai to unlock my potential.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 2:28:02 GMT
I would ask Porunga to turn me into a Saiyan and then for my second wish to become as smart as Gero. That way I could build a robot lady and get Old Kai to unlock my potential. SSJ2PUY huh?  As savvy as that sounds it just doesn't have that same level of pizazz that is SSJ2PUG. Soooo back to the floor with you! |
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Post by Axalon on Oct 10, 2017 1:17:58 GMT
Step 1: Wish for immortality.
Step 2: Master the Mafuba.
Step 3: Profit as I use a technique that kills you and laugh at my immortality as I suck beings incomprehensibly more powerful than myself into a pressure cooker while Goku and Vegeta act as punching bag distractions for the Mighty Yamcha.
Step 4: Abuse immortality to spend centuries in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber becoming a supreme badass.
Alternatively:
Wish for a device allowing me to contact people across the multiverse and teleport if need be and then use my fortune as the greatest athlete of all time (seriously Chi-Chi, you want money? Get Goten to be a professional athlete with his strength and speed and watch the millions roll in) to hire Hit to deal with every single problem in DBZ and most of the problems, so far, in DBS. Does not necessarily need to conflict with the above immortality strategy.
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Post by Jason9000 on Oct 10, 2017 2:38:00 GMT
Step 1: Wish for immortality. Step 2: Master the Mafuba. Step 3: Profit as I use a technique that kills you and laugh at my immortality as I suck beings incomprehensibly more powerful than myself into a pressure cooker while Goku and Vegeta act as punching bag distractions for the Mighty Yamcha. Step 4: Abuse immortality to spend centuries in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber becoming a supreme badass. Alternatively: Wish for a device allowing me to contact people across the multiverse and teleport if need be and then use my fortune as the greatest athlete of all time (seriously Chi-Chi, you want money? Get Goten to be a professional athlete with his strength and speed and watch the millions roll in) to hire Hit to deal with every single problem in DBZ and most of the problems, so far, in DBS. Does not necessarily need to conflict with the above immortality strategy. ........Holy fucking shit I never thought why Chi-Chi didn’t have Goku compete in strongman tournaments with lifting or pulling heavy objects to get money every once in a while........She could even trick him into occasionally getting second place by telling him the challenge would be to limit his strength to the point where he just gets second place so him constantly winning with seemingly no effort wouldn’t arouse suspicion. |
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Post by Axalon on Oct 10, 2017 3:31:08 GMT
Step 1: Wish for immortality. Step 2: Master the Mafuba. Step 3: Profit as I use a technique that kills you and laugh at my immortality as I suck beings incomprehensibly more powerful than myself into a pressure cooker while Goku and Vegeta act as punching bag distractions for the Mighty Yamcha. Step 4: Abuse immortality to spend centuries in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber becoming a supreme badass. Alternatively: Wish for a device allowing me to contact people across the multiverse and teleport if need be and then use my fortune as the greatest athlete of all time (seriously Chi-Chi, you want money? Get Goten to be a professional athlete with his strength and speed and watch the millions roll in) to hire Hit to deal with every single problem in DBZ and most of the problems, so far, in DBS. Does not necessarily need to conflict with the above immortality strategy. ........Holy fucking shit I never thought why Chi-Chi didn’t have Goku compete in strongman tournaments with lifting or pulling heavy objects to get money every once in a while........She could even trick him into occasionally getting second place by telling him the challenge would be to limit his strength to the point where he just gets second place so him constantly winning with seemingly no effort wouldn’t arouse suspicion. Tell me about it. It always baffled me how she wanted Gohan to be a scientist and is screeching at Goku about getting money for college educations and how he should sell crops for a living when he could just...win some sporting competitions and make millions more than selling some radishes raditzes would give him. Mr. Satan is PROOF that this works. World Tournament winner, also receives money and fame for defeating Cell and Buu and even gives this money to Goku on occasion to help them out as thanks. As you say Goku could also actually view this as good training since by limiting strength it forces him to look at things from a different perspective, teaches better control of his ki by honing it to a precision edge and not kicking a soccer ball into orbit or something, etc, etc. It's literally a win-win situation except for the fact that Chi-Chi is an idiot. |
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 10, 2017 4:26:07 GMT
........Holy fucking shit I never thought why Chi-Chi didn’t have Goku compete in strongman tournaments with lifting or pulling heavy objects to get money every once in a while........She could even trick him into occasionally getting second place by telling him the challenge would be to limit his strength to the point where he just gets second place so him constantly winning with seemingly no effort wouldn’t arouse suspicion. Tell me about it. It always baffled me how she wanted Gohan to be a scientist and is screeching at Goku about getting money for college educations and how he should sell crops for a living when he could just...win some sporting competitions and make millions more than selling some radishes raditzes would give him. Mr. Satan is PROOF that this works. World Tournament winner, also receives money and fame for defeating Cell and Buu and even gives this money to Goku on occasion to help them out as thanks. As you say Goku could also actually view this as good training since by limiting strength it forces him to look at things from a different perspective, teaches better control of his ki by honing it to a precision edge and not kicking a soccer ball into orbit or something, etc, etc. It's literally a win-win situation except for the fact that Chi-Chi is an idiot. Outside of Ki and training related reasons, maybe it's the discipline rather than just winning competition cash; Chichi is forcing Goku to do something other than anything training so he could learn the meaning of hard work. Maybe it's her pride of not doing things so easily (like winning easy money). Using her father's treasure was more of a fallback plan and a reason (mostly out-universe) why neither of them had a job while showcasing Goku's various adventures in Z. That and didn't they say they didn't want the publicity, hence they let Mr. Satan take the fame for various tournaments in the future? (Unsure about this, was a back of the head thought.) If Goku stepped into the competitive ring, there'd be too much media asking if the Vegeta Second Place boy would ever surpass the "champ" (quotes bc it could be areas other than World Martial Arts Tournaments that doesn't have Mr. Satan competing), constantly bothering the Son family day in and day out. Of course Goku has IT and can just pop back home, but then it'd be like Gohan going to Orange High School, someone would notice the huge commuting hours. |
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Post by Axalon on Oct 10, 2017 4:32:26 GMT
Tell me about it. It always baffled me how she wanted Gohan to be a scientist and is screeching at Goku about getting money for college educations and how he should sell crops for a living when he could just...win some sporting competitions and make millions more than selling some radishes raditzes would give him. Mr. Satan is PROOF that this works. World Tournament winner, also receives money and fame for defeating Cell and Buu and even gives this money to Goku on occasion to help them out as thanks. As you say Goku could also actually view this as good training since by limiting strength it forces him to look at things from a different perspective, teaches better control of his ki by honing it to a precision edge and not kicking a soccer ball into orbit or something, etc, etc. It's literally a win-win situation except for the fact that Chi-Chi is an idiot. Outside of Ki and training related reasons, maybe it's the discipline rather than just winning competition cash; Chichi is forcing Goku to do something other than anything training so he could learn the meaning of hard work. Maybe it's her pride of not doing things so easily (like winning easy money). Using her father's treasure was more of a fallback plan and a reason (mostly out-universe) why neither of them had a job while showcasing Goku's various adventures in Z. That and didn't they say they didn't want the publicity, hence they let Mr. Satan take the fame for various tournaments in the future? (Unsure about this, was a back of the head thought.) If Goku stepped into the competitive ring, there'd be too much media asking if the Vegeta Second Place boy would ever surpass the "champ" (quotes bc it could be areas other than World Martial Arts Tournaments that doesn't have Mr. Satan competing), constantly bothering the Son family day in and day out. Of course Goku has IT and can just pop back home, but then it'd be like Gohan going to Orange High School, someone would notice the huge commuting hours. I'd agree with the "not taking the easy route" if Chi-Chi had turned down Satan's money instead of hanging onto it for Goten and beginning to make him go down the Gohan path with studying. That said I certainly think Goku knows the value of hard work, even if he has to apply fighting metaphors to do it. If you don't train, you don't succeed. Put in the hard work and training, get results. I agree with the fame reason, though I'm sure Goku is already famous as it is for being the World Champion whose final bout ended up destroying ring in the previous tournament before Satan took the title in a tournament Goku didn't even compete in. Satan's just more famous thanks to his heroic defeat of the evil Cell and his dirty cheap tricks. |
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Post by Son Pan on Oct 10, 2017 4:42:35 GMT
Having Goku make money with his abilities would eliminate with Chi-chi bickering at him angle though. The whole point of Super’s character regression with her was to stick to that gag because it is how fans remember her.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 10, 2017 4:56:59 GMT
Outside of Ki and training related reasons, maybe it's the discipline rather than just winning competition cash; Chichi is forcing Goku to do something other than anything training so he could learn the meaning of hard work. Maybe it's her pride of not doing things so easily (like winning easy money). Using her father's treasure was more of a fallback plan and a reason (mostly out-universe) why neither of them had a job while showcasing Goku's various adventures in Z. That and didn't they say they didn't want the publicity, hence they let Mr. Satan take the fame for various tournaments in the future? (Unsure about this, was a back of the head thought.) If Goku stepped into the competitive ring, there'd be too much media asking if the Vegeta Second Place boy would ever surpass the "champ" (quotes bc it could be areas other than World Martial Arts Tournaments that doesn't have Mr. Satan competing), constantly bothering the Son family day in and day out. Of course Goku has IT and can just pop back home, but then it'd be like Gohan going to Orange High School, someone would notice the huge commuting hours. I'd agree with the "not taking the easy route" if Chi-Chi had turned down Satan's money instead of hanging onto it for Goten and beginning to make him go down the Gohan path with studying. That said I certainly think Goku knows the value of hard work, even if he has to apply fighting metaphors to do it. If you don't train, you don't succeed. Put in the hard work and training, get results. I agree with the fame reason, though I'm sure Goku is already famous as it is for being the World Champion whose final bout ended up destroying ring in the previous tournament before Satan took the title in a tournament Goku didn't even compete in. Satan's just more famous thanks to his heroic defeat of the evil Cell and his dirty cheap tricks. Though this would be considered nitpicking at this point, isn't there an ideology where a person is willing to accept something given to them, but not actively search for it themselves? Example for this one: accepting someone's invitation for a BBQ, but not actively asking to be on their list for the next invite. My reason for bringing this up, Chichi could be accepting of someone giving her money, but not fond of the idea searching it herself by taking advantage of the conditions (aka easy tournaments for Goku). Not necessarily being lazy, but kinda like not being that one dick in the crowd of people actually trying by making it look super easy. It's funny how nobody in the media tried to ask for Satan's technique that defeated Cell or BEEBUS TEH DESTROYA, the latter especially since he went into "God"hood, and even one of the specators questioned him when the Dog ambassadors came down saying "maybe he didn't really destroy this Beebus." |
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Post by christhesaiyan on Oct 10, 2017 5:23:00 GMT
I had a weird dream last night that I was Trunks and Bulma came in to the Time Chamber while I was training and dragged me out yelling at me.
Or maybe I was just a really short Vegeta...
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Post by Axalon on Oct 10, 2017 22:45:44 GMT
Having Goku make money with his abilities would eliminate with Chi-chi bickering at him angle though. The whole point of Super’s character regression with her was to stick to that gag because it is how fans remember her. This would imply her character has actually regressed, when if anything she feels as static as ever. Though this would be considered nitpicking at this point, isn't there an ideology where a person is willing to accept something given to them, but not actively search for it themselves? Example for this one: accepting someone's invitation for a BBQ, but not actively asking to be on their list for the next invite. My reason for bringing this up, Chichi could be accepting of someone giving her money, but not fond of the idea searching it herself by taking advantage of the conditions (aka easy tournaments for Goku).I don't think so. Chi-Chi was ecstatic when she heard the prize for the next tournament was 10 million zeni, with second place getting 5 million, figuring that between Goku AND Gohan they'd net an easy 15 million. Looks like a quick bid for easy money to me. |
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Post by Son Pan on Oct 10, 2017 23:37:54 GMT
I found Chi-chi to have mellowed out and became more understanding as the original manga went along. Chi-chi compromising with Goku to let him train with Gohan in the time chamber in exchange for Goku getting a job after they stopped Cell was something she never would have done in th Saiyan arc. Teaching Goten to fight was a big change to let alone letting Goten fight Majin Buu at all when she thinks her eldest son was killed fighting it. Don’t get me wrong Chi-chi isn’t some super chill and rational person who never gets mad, but it is rather realistic low key changes to her character that I could see in a person in real life.
More people remember Chi-chi as the argumentative wife who bitches at everything so the more sublte changes seem lost. You get Chi-chi who spends millions of dollars just to return to the status of quo of her yelling at Goku and forcing Goten to be a scholar too when that was never hinted at in the old show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 0:14:26 GMT
@invaderjim
Honestly I would probably just train with Master Roshi and then go off on my own away from the other Z fighters. When Goku gets older, I might give him spoilers of the future so he could better prepare but that's about it. I would just train to reach Raditz level and then maybe become an action hero who does his own stunts and a superhero at night by the name of Batwolf...or something else that sounds better when I think of it.
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