How would DBS be different if U6 had defeated U7?
Dec 26, 2017 23:50:18 GMT
Post by Axalon on Dec 26, 2017 23:50:18 GMT
So with the Tournament of Power down to the final two universes I've been wondering lately how things would be different if the outcome of a previous tournament had changed. I'm talking of course about the tournament Beerus and Champa had between themselves, where Hit lost to the mighty Monaka. The prize for Champa would of course be that he would get U7's Earth while Beerus would get the lifeless rock that was U6 Earth. How would that have changed the future? Like the Goku Black arc and Tournament of Power?
My theories:
In general:
- The Z Fighters don't really care. Aside from any attachments Dende and Piccolo (via Nail) might have to U7 Namek everyone else is firmly attached to Earth and Earth alone.
Piccolo might go seek out U6 Namek. Or not.
- Vegeta would be very interested in visiting Planet Sadala and Cabba would be more than happy to take him there. Goku would probably tag along or just pop in out of nowhere while Vegeta's visiting via IT.
- Beerus is miserable. His Monaka plan has been discovered and he's lost Earth. (More on that later).
Goku Black:
- I don't see this changing too much, if at all. They could probably make up some technobabble about how Future Trunks is still connected to U7 Earth so that even though its now in U6 he still travels there via his time machine. Face it, there are things that make even less sense than this.
- ...Until it comes time to get the Zen-Oh button. Goku doesn't have a rapport with the U6 Supreme Kai like he does with Shin.He might not visit Zen-Oh at all. No Zen-Oh visit means no button. No button means they're screwed.
EDIT: I forgot that it was Zen-Oh that called him, not the other way around. He'd still have the button. Zamasu is gonna have a bad time.
- On the plus side being in U6 offers them new opportunities. I'm imagining Future Hit (or present, if they can grab him) being contracted to take out Goku Black. Given his performance against Jiren, I've no doubt he'd be able to get the job done. So if Hit eliminates Black then they might not need the button at all since then they'd only have to deal with the immortal Zamasu, who comparatively is a weakling at this stage despite being a SS2 tier character. This may also mean Vegito never happens.
- The HAKAI moment might be done by Champa instead of Beerus. Champa/Vados would probably be doing the same as Beerus/Whis and pigging out on food when Future Trunks/Black arrive.
Tournament of Power:
- Now things start changing even more. Champa is able to call upon the best of former U7 and his own U6 team. We're looking at a roster that looks like:
1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Hit (team captain)
4. Gohan
5. Cabba
6. Piccolo
7. Caulifla
8. Kale
9. Frost
10. Magetta
Or some variation thereof. U6 actually has plenty to choose from here that I haven't listed. The Androids, Botamo, the two U6 Namekians, Buu, Roshi, etc. They're fairly stacked.
Goku might be able to convince Champa to include the Androids, with possibly some type of tryouts happening where lesser fighters like Botamo fight #17 to see who makes the team. Cabba probably drags Vegeta along to see Caulifla and Kale, who then advocates the two to be on the team. The Piccolo fanboy in me wants him to fuse with whats-their-faces from the ToP to become Super Piccolo, but even if he doesn't do this it's still a fairly solid team. Goku would also likely want Buu on the team but he'd just fall asleep again so Champa replaces him with Botamo or something. On top of that, Champa will be handing out potara as well, meaning Kefla at the very least will also be on Goku's side, if not just Vegito himself. Probably Kefla though, given Vegeta's hatred of fusion. Not only can Goku save teammates with IT--even if he's not always consistent with it--but you also have Hit using Time Skip to save teammates as well.
- Beerus is absolutely screwed here. He doesn't have access to any of his U7 fighters, not even the weak ones like Krillin or Tien. With that in mind I could see him scouring what little remains of U7 to scrounge up a team. At some point he'd probably start recruiting from the afterlife as well. Let's just say the afterlife isn't tied to Earth's transference, that way Beerus at least has something.
1. Frieza* (team captain)
2. Tarble - As quite possibly the only Saiyan left in U7 Beerus will pick him solely because he IS a Saiyan, then be disappointed at his lack of strength.
3. Ginyu*
4. Recoome*
5. Burter*
6. Jeice*
7. Guldo*
8. Super Kami Guru (Beerus likely remembers Piccolo and goes to see the Namekians, who do what U6 did and make some Super Namekian)
9. Some Yardrat fighter
10. Dabura*
* = Dead Fighter
Admittedly most of this is taken from the dead...but quite frankly there isn't much to work with here. Most of this team would probably be recommendations from Frieza, who'd likely think of his most elite and powerful minions to bring along. Aside from Tarble, a Namekian and possibly a Yardrat what else is there? Shin would probably throw out Dabura as some crazy last second thought he has after remembering that Dabura's hanging around somewhere in the afterlife. For extra surprise factor, throw a line in there about how Beerus has been recruiting this team since he lost his Earth as preparation for the upcoming tournament, so maybe we'd see some increased power levels from former characters like Recoome.
EDIT: Option #2:
As The Retro Kakarotto noted a Perfect choice was missing from the U7 list. I admittedly couldn't think of a reason as to how Beerus' team would even know of Cell's existence, but if we're going to go out and just bring in everybody for the sheer lulz factor why not? Have Beerus consult with that guy who knows everything for a list of powerful fighters for the ToP, dead or alive. Between afterlife recruits and Whis going off to fetch Future Trunks after the Goku Black shenanigans he actually might fare a little bit better overall.
1. Frieza* (Team Captain)
2. Perfect Cell*
3. Ginyu*
4. Recoome*
5. Burter*
6. Jeice*
7. Dabura*
8. Future Trunks
9. Tarble
10. Gero/#20*
Not only is this team slightly more powerful, but now Vegeta has to deal with the angst that if U7 is erased his future son's counterpart and his brother get erased as well.
U6 would end up being targeted the most this time, given Goku's main character status attracting fights like magnets. Toppo would've been introduced to Goku as a member of U6, not U7, meaning as a whole U7 wouldn't be targeted as much. The weaker U7 team in comparison could potentially play it smart, perhaps even try and set up an ambush so Ginyu can try to body-swap with Jiren before Jiren just shows his muscles are stronger than Ginyu's soul or whatever nonsense just like how he was stronger than time. Frieza would probably do the same thing and try to lay low and torture people in the background, though I can see Vegeta trying to pick a fight with him.
What do you guys think?
My theories:
In general:
- The Z Fighters don't really care. Aside from any attachments Dende and Piccolo (via Nail) might have to U7 Namek everyone else is firmly attached to Earth and Earth alone.
Piccolo might go seek out U6 Namek. Or not.
- Vegeta would be very interested in visiting Planet Sadala and Cabba would be more than happy to take him there. Goku would probably tag along or just pop in out of nowhere while Vegeta's visiting via IT.
- Beerus is miserable. His Monaka plan has been discovered and he's lost Earth. (More on that later).
Goku Black:
- I don't see this changing too much, if at all. They could probably make up some technobabble about how Future Trunks is still connected to U7 Earth so that even though its now in U6 he still travels there via his time machine. Face it, there are things that make even less sense than this.
- ...Until it comes time to get the Zen-Oh button. Goku doesn't have a rapport with the U6 Supreme Kai like he does with Shin.
- On the plus side being in U6 offers them new opportunities. I'm imagining Future Hit (or present, if they can grab him) being contracted to take out Goku Black. Given his performance against Jiren, I've no doubt he'd be able to get the job done. So if Hit eliminates Black then they might not need the button at all since then they'd only have to deal with the immortal Zamasu, who comparatively is a weakling at this stage despite being a SS2 tier character. This may also mean Vegito never happens.
- The HAKAI moment might be done by Champa instead of Beerus. Champa/Vados would probably be doing the same as Beerus/Whis and pigging out on food when Future Trunks/Black arrive.
Tournament of Power:
- Now things start changing even more. Champa is able to call upon the best of former U7 and his own U6 team. We're looking at a roster that looks like:
1. Goku
2. Vegeta
3. Hit (team captain)
4. Gohan
5. Cabba
6. Piccolo
7. Caulifla
8. Kale
9. Frost
10. Magetta
Or some variation thereof. U6 actually has plenty to choose from here that I haven't listed. The Androids, Botamo, the two U6 Namekians, Buu, Roshi, etc. They're fairly stacked.
Goku might be able to convince Champa to include the Androids, with possibly some type of tryouts happening where lesser fighters like Botamo fight #17 to see who makes the team. Cabba probably drags Vegeta along to see Caulifla and Kale, who then advocates the two to be on the team. The Piccolo fanboy in me wants him to fuse with whats-their-faces from the ToP to become Super Piccolo, but even if he doesn't do this it's still a fairly solid team. Goku would also likely want Buu on the team but he'd just fall asleep again so Champa replaces him with Botamo or something. On top of that, Champa will be handing out potara as well, meaning Kefla at the very least will also be on Goku's side, if not just Vegito himself. Probably Kefla though, given Vegeta's hatred of fusion. Not only can Goku save teammates with IT--even if he's not always consistent with it--but you also have Hit using Time Skip to save teammates as well.
- Beerus is absolutely screwed here. He doesn't have access to any of his U7 fighters, not even the weak ones like Krillin or Tien. With that in mind I could see him scouring what little remains of U7 to scrounge up a team. At some point he'd probably start recruiting from the afterlife as well. Let's just say the afterlife isn't tied to Earth's transference, that way Beerus at least has something.
1. Frieza* (team captain)
2. Tarble - As quite possibly the only Saiyan left in U7 Beerus will pick him solely because he IS a Saiyan, then be disappointed at his lack of strength.
3. Ginyu*
4. Recoome*
5. Burter*
6. Jeice*
7. Guldo*
8. Super Kami Guru (Beerus likely remembers Piccolo and goes to see the Namekians, who do what U6 did and make some Super Namekian)
9. Some Yardrat fighter
10. Dabura*
* = Dead Fighter
Admittedly most of this is taken from the dead...but quite frankly there isn't much to work with here. Most of this team would probably be recommendations from Frieza, who'd likely think of his most elite and powerful minions to bring along. Aside from Tarble, a Namekian and possibly a Yardrat what else is there? Shin would probably throw out Dabura as some crazy last second thought he has after remembering that Dabura's hanging around somewhere in the afterlife. For extra surprise factor, throw a line in there about how Beerus has been recruiting this team since he lost his Earth as preparation for the upcoming tournament, so maybe we'd see some increased power levels from former characters like Recoome.
EDIT: Option #2:
As The Retro Kakarotto noted a Perfect choice was missing from the U7 list. I admittedly couldn't think of a reason as to how Beerus' team would even know of Cell's existence, but if we're going to go out and just bring in everybody for the sheer lulz factor why not? Have Beerus consult with that guy who knows everything for a list of powerful fighters for the ToP, dead or alive. Between afterlife recruits and Whis going off to fetch Future Trunks after the Goku Black shenanigans he actually might fare a little bit better overall.
1. Frieza* (Team Captain)
2. Perfect Cell*
3. Ginyu*
4. Recoome*
5. Burter*
6. Jeice*
7. Dabura*
8. Future Trunks
9. Tarble
10. Gero/#20*
Not only is this team slightly more powerful, but now Vegeta has to deal with the angst that if U7 is erased his future son's counterpart and his brother get erased as well.
U6 would end up being targeted the most this time, given Goku's main character status attracting fights like magnets. Toppo would've been introduced to Goku as a member of U6, not U7, meaning as a whole U7 wouldn't be targeted as much. The weaker U7 team in comparison could potentially play it smart, perhaps even try and set up an ambush so Ginyu can try to body-swap with Jiren before Jiren just shows his muscles are stronger than Ginyu's soul or whatever nonsense just like how he was stronger than time. Frieza would probably do the same thing and try to lay low and torture people in the background, though I can see Vegeta trying to pick a fight with him.
What do you guys think?