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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 4:27:36 GMT
At the time, we hailed Super Saiyan as the greatest (natural) transformation, so having Gohan possess that form and still lose to some enhanced humans (stronger than that F.A.G. [Freaky Alien Genotype] Freeza) wasn't a negative impact compared to Buu-saga Gohan... oh who am I kidding, the 7 year gap was a pathetic mistake on Gohan's character and power but what's done is done, at least Mystic fixed it. Now which continuity is the problem... And also the Damn Potara Earrings!!!
Now focusing on Future Gohan, just like in U11's special how and why the remote construction was delayed significantly, the guy had to train
A) By himself (No guidance whatsoever) so it's similar to his 6 months training. It can only go so far by training solo before he seriously needs a training partner or instructor.
B) In hiding (effectively like U3 Bardock but not as bad because the Androids can't sense energy where Raichi could... or at least his sensors could)
C) and test himself against two opponents whose powers are undefined bc they don't give off Ki signatures. He literally has no clue how much more training he has to do, even after SS, until his power can surpass the androids by a significant amount.
To say Future Gohan managed to survive thirteen years since 17/18's activation is more than impressive. He was in a constant massacre environment. Compared to the slacker during 7 years of peace, well... neither of them have the same drive, resources, nor "traumatic history" (Future Gohan... Dead Goku? Present Gohan... Cell Jrs the Bullies.)
Also, no one knew about the HTC except Goku... and Future Goku died before he even realized there were the Cyborgs running loose. Same reason as Planet Namek... the fuck was the reason Trunks didn't go there anyway!?
That fool of a boi Gohan was the strongest unfused character in the Universe when he was kicking the lard out of Buu, but couldn't even catch an earring which wasn't tossed at supersonic. GG Gohan. He did have his mother who was an ex-martial artist who could have possibly trained him, but I bet she was still trying to get him enrolled in a school even with all the destruction that occurred thanks to the androids, not even mentioning the fact that whatever she knew Gohan had already know when he was ust four years old. Such a shame most of the tech in U12 was destroyed by the androids, or Bulma would have been able to create a gravity machine/spaceship for Gohan or Trunks to train in which would have helped a lot, since they didn't have access nor did they know about he Hyperbolic Time Chamber. It's always the ones with the tragic backstories that end up being the heroes. The lack of RoSaT in Trunks' timeline always irritated me. Was it actually ever explained why Popo or King Kai never informed them of it coz if it was I sure as hell can't remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 4:33:57 GMT
That fool of a boi Gohan was the strongest unfused character in the Universe when he was kicking the lard out of Buu, but couldn't even catch an earring which wasn't tossed at supersonic. GG Gohan. He did have his mother who was an ex-martial artist who could have possibly trained him, but I bet she was still trying to get him enrolled in a school even with all the destruction that occurred thanks to the androids, not even mentioning the fact that whatever she knew Gohan had already know when he was ust four years old. Such a shame most of the tech in U12 was destroyed by the androids, or Bulma would have been able to create a gravity machine/spaceship for Gohan or Trunks to train in which would have helped a lot, since they didn't have access nor did they know about he Hyperbolic Time Chamber. It's always the ones with the tragic backstories that end up being the heroes. The lack of RoSaT in Trunks' timeline always irritated me. Was it actually ever explained why Popo or King Kai never informed them of it coz if it was I sure as hell can't remember. They had to work with what they got, which means nothing. I'm not sure. The special didn't say anything about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 5:16:49 GMT
The lack of RoSaT in Trunks' timeline always irritated me. Was it actually ever explained why Popo or King Kai never informed them of it coz if it was I sure as hell can't remember. They had to work with what they got, which means nothing. I'm not sure. The special didn't say anything about it. Oh I'm not shitcanning the characters themselves. Gohan and Trunks did fairly well all things considered. Chances are my senility kicked in early and I flat out forgot an important detail like the androids destroying the lookout though to be fair I haven't watching it since I was in school on dodgy realplayer video with subs. Otherwise all I recall from the actual show (ignoring DBZA) is Gohan dying, Trunks gaining SSJ (awesome) and later on me being irritated about King Kai not givin a shit about earth anymore coz Goku is dead. edit: So just another reason to thank our Froggy Overlord? Cheers POPO |
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 15, 2018 5:38:14 GMT
Or Future Gohan did know about the room, but just couldn't handle staying there for a whole year by himself. Before anyone comments on me calling him a pussy or how unlikely that is it is staying in a white void room by himself for a whole year. His dad couldn't even handle that room by himself. That is a intense experience that could easily destroy Gohan's sanity, especially since he would also have to deal with trauma of losing his dad and friends. He may have just tried and could only handle three months in there and left feeling he couldn't handle another nine months by himself. This would be a Gohan by himself, since all his friends would be dead and Trunks would be too young to train with him or to handle the room itself. Gohan may have just thought training outside would suffice. 17 and 18 can't exactly find him. He probably decided to take his chances on the outside.
As for why he might not have told Trunks he may have felt they could win without it. I mean the benefit of the room in the Cell arc is they needed quick training. There was no guarantee it would work. It is possible Gohan just thought he and Trunks could get by training on the outside world. Maybe he wanted Trunks to reach a certain level before they tried it, but he was killed before he could tell Trunks. Popo thought since Gohan had a hard time doing it by himself that Trunks wouldn't do so well either. The manga makes light of the whole training alone thing by having Piccolo, Trunks, and Vegeta do it for the Cell Games, but it is pretty intense for anyone to stay in a void room for a whole year by themselves with no human interaction for a whole year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 5:51:10 GMT
Son Pan - He isn't stuck in there for a whole year ya know, he can leave at any time he wants. The year thingy was just the Broly one COULD stay in there. edit: at the time it was written into the story I mean.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 15, 2018 5:58:33 GMT
Son Pan - He isn't stuck in there for a whole year ya know, he can leave at any time he wants. The year thingy was just the Broly one COULD stay in there. edit: at the time it was written into the story I mean. Staying there for any long period of time by himself is tough though. Trunks almost couldn't handle it and he had Vegeta with him. Goku in canon said he couldn't handle it as a kid and wanted everyone to go in pairs. It is not far fetched that Future Gohan just couldn't handle it by himself and decided to train on the outside. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 6:12:51 GMT
Son Pan - He isn't stuck in there for a whole year ya know, he can leave at any time he wants. The year thingy was just the Broly one COULD stay in there. edit: at the time it was written into the story I mean. Staying there for any long period of time by himself is tough though. Trunks almost couldn't handle it and he had Vegeta with him. Goku in canon said he couldn't handle it as a kid and wanted everyone to go in pairs. It is not far fetched that Future Gohan just couldn't handle it by himself and decided to train on the outside. True, but since everyone seems to think Future Gohan was such a badass *cough* overrated*cough* don't ya think him not having the brass nuts to deal with it, especially given the urgency of his timeline, is a slight against everyone's perception of him? |
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 15, 2018 6:22:40 GMT
Staying there for any long period of time by himself is tough though. Trunks almost couldn't handle it and he had Vegeta with him. Goku in canon said he couldn't handle it as a kid and wanted everyone to go in pairs. It is not far fetched that Future Gohan just couldn't handle it by himself and decided to train on the outside. True, but since everyone seems to think Future Gohan was such a badass *cough* overrated*cough* don't ya think him not having the brass nuts to deal with it, especially given the urgency of his timeline, is a slight against everyone's perception of him? Not really. If he tried but couldn’t handle it then what is the point in forcing himself if he loses it or even gets lost and can’t go back? Being Earth’s Last savior also means knowing when to fold them so as not to selfishly kill yourself before you can actually help people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 6:27:32 GMT
True, but since everyone seems to think Future Gohan was such a badass *cough* overrated*cough* don't ya think him not having the brass nuts to deal with it, especially given the urgency of his timeline, is a slight against everyone's perception of him? Not really. If he tried but couldn’t handle it then what is the point in forcing himself if he loses it or even gets lost and can’t go back? Being Earth’s Last savior also means knowing when to fold them so as not to selfishly kill yourself before you can actually help people. Eh, if Future Gohan can't handle 10g's and a little bit of solitude for the sake of a planet he was unable to help because he wasn't old or strong enough then he is the bitch I always thought he was. I mean why train really hard when you can lose limbs, selfishly suicide like a nuffy and leave the world to slowly die. Some hero..... |
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Jan 15, 2018 21:33:36 GMT
@u12 Gohan Discussion
Future Gohan is hands down my favorite dbz character but I will have to admit he's a bit overrated. Thankfully he's not as overrated as Future Trunks, Bardock, Broly and the mary sue duo. I think what makes him likeable is that he's a tragic hero just like Bardock (even though Bardock was a villian but died doing a heroic action that we all sympathized with.) Gohan fought for so long but only amounted to dying in the end just like the others. His death was dumb af though! Seriously flies off to fight the andriods BY YOURSELF after you lost a arm and will obviously be at a disadvantage.
I'm sure Multiverse tried making it more logical on why he died just like they explained why he never used Rosat during those years. But they could have had the androids find where Bulma and co. were hiding and Gohan had to stall them while Bulma and Trunks escaped. Trunks would try and help, Gohan knocks him out just like in canon and Trunks would wake up finding Gohan dead. Makes a lot more sense right!
Gohan also being as weak as he was does make sense after you think about all the things that held him back (lack of guidance, a training partner, constantly hiding, saving others, and healing after getting his ass beat by the androids) but this is still the same guy who had the most potential in the entire series.
We can assume he gained SSJ around the time the androids first appeared and had about 16 years to get stronger. From beginning stage of ssj to around Post-Yardrat trained Goku is pitiful. He still had his rage boost moments as well but I think he was numb due to seeing death almost on a daily basis that he couldn't get truly mad unless Trunks or Bulma were killed. This whole scenario could have been easily solved (in the canon story) since they never explain several things that could help Gohan.
He had King Kai, Rosat, Korin could help him train, even Roshi could help the kid get more well trained as a martial artist. Bulma could have made a gravity machine, Goku and others could come back for a day, that is if Baba never died. Some many solutions! Now I'm just ranting. Sorry for that, I didn't expect this when first typing this post.
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