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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2018 22:14:19 GMT
Also don't forget that Roshi is the strongest nao so when Gogeta fails.......
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 7, 2018 22:23:44 GMT
At this point the power scale is whatever is good for the plot. If Broly is stronger than Beerus but Toriyama is like sure Gogeta can be too since he is only around for a short time than we’ll get that. If he doesn’t we won’t get it. It is as simple as that. Toriyama isn’t putting as much thought into a power scale as the fans. If he did we wouldn’t be getting blanket terms like stronger than a GoD which is so broad that is laughable. At least back in the old days when someone said as strong as SS2 we could follow it up with as strong as Gohan was when he beat Cell or as strong as Majin Vegeta to distinguish them. Now I can say stronger than a GoD and gives me no idea what the hell that even means. Well, literally everything in the story is based on the plot. Jiren and Broly were the only mortals confirmed to be stronger than the GoDs but nothing contradicts SSJB Vegetto or Gogeta being stronger than Broly because we have no idea how strong they are. They included Vegetto in the Goku Black saga for fan service so they could still give fans a good fight between Gogeta and Broly without Gogeta winning. It is up in the air right now. It depends on Toriyama wants to do and he is very fickle and writes by the seat of his pants more often than not. If Gogeta is stronger and wins then that is what happens. If it fails than they don’t defeat him and have to find another way out of this mess. I just hope Gogeta wins because I want a fusion to work and win.
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Post by Ashanark on Nov 8, 2018 1:18:34 GMT
Most interesting part to me is the "You ain't a bad guy. I can tell" and "He isn't fighting because he wants to fight!" If both of these are referring to Broly, then maybe we're seeing the sort of scenario I've always wanted: Broly being an attack dog for somebody else and possibly getting "defeated" peacefully. The "Three Saiyans" theme has also been an interesting marketing angle that, for any other franchise, would sound really promising--making a connection between the three main characters who are all similar ages, but different backgrounds.
But honestly, my expectations couldn't be lower for the story of this movie. DBS has been nonsense after nonsense and my faith in Toeiyama wasn't that high to begin with. For example, in regards to Gogeta, all my past experience leads me to guess Gogeta ends up doing nothing: Toriyama just loves introducing plot devices which end up not working (perhaps most true with fusion), maybe because he thinks it's funny or subversive and not realizing it isn't since he does it every single time. I imagine Gogeta defusing right before he can win, and Goku having to punch Broly in the stomach (as a shout-out to the first movie) or something similar. This trailer's shot of Goku and Vegeta working together to make an energy beam certainly seems like the sort of stupid finale they'd come up with: Gogeta won't work, but by golly a combined energy beam will.
Would it be awesome if Gogeta was his no-nonsense Fusion Reborn version and beat Broly? Yeah. Would it be awesome if Broly ended up being the only pure-blooded Saiyan ever who, say, didn't like fighting and ended up getting a peaceful resolution? Yeah. But I don't think it's going to happen. Goku wins, Vegeta jobs, Piccolo offers flawed commentary, Goten and Trunks offer unfunny humor. All stuck in the same roles they've been doing for decades, without a shadow of changing.
Speaking of pointless characters...The funny part to me was that DBS magazine from the other week. It's talking about how "Broly: a power beyond gods!?" and "Paragus: a special bond!?" and "Vegeta: Mastered SSB!?" and then it's like "Bulma: she wears arctic clothes!" It's like...bruh, why are you even talking about Bulma, lol. We all know none of you care about her besides some half-hearted fanservice for old times' sake every now and then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:09:12 GMT
Oh Ashanark you dirty bitch!! I was just about to post that in mp4. Well here it is for those who want it.
Don't like Broly's voice. Dat CG!! Green Bulma ftw!! I gotta admit that for the most part it's visually impressive but I am not likin the direction this may be goin due to Goku's lines. I hate myself for watchin this trailer but at least now I can properly prepare myself for the inevitable disappointment.
I swear if Broly becomes a regular in the new season of Super I might quit DB altogether (DBM withstanding of course).
edit: That main theme.......... While I don't hate it, it just doesn't work well for action scenes..... *YT searches Yoka Yoka Dance for the 4th time today*
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 8, 2018 2:21:16 GMT
Broly joining them or even being friends does end everything though. Broly is so OP now that he beats everything so there is nothing Super can do but write around Broly by giving him super long sleep periods like Fat Buu. It does destroy the original ending even more so since Broly being around makes Goku’s interest in a rematch with Majin Buu reincarnated make little sense. Broly is all around better than Buu now. Yeah, making Broly as powerful as his fan base has been preaching for decades seems like a good idea. I’m sure this won’t backfire in anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 2:37:15 GMT
Me watching this movie Bye Bye cinema complex....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 5:15:43 GMT
That trailer was beautiful (except for that scene with pink Freeza). Was that Whis fighting Broly?? Imagine if Broly surpasses everyone and Whis has to calm him down before he destroys the universe. If I wasn't a Broly fanboy excited to see LSSJ surpass every DBS transformation and for him to potentially become a good guy, I probably wouldn't have high expectations for this movie since it includes DB Minus and another attempt at revenge by Freeza. I'm hoping those two things only get a few minutes of screentime and rest focuses on Broly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 7:58:19 GMT
Is someone able to get a comparison for this "pink" Freiza and him in Namek please coz I just forced myself to rewatch the trailer and I'm not seein this "pink" Freiza and youse aren't the only ones to mention it. You all sure it's not due the scenes lighting?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2018 14:09:29 GMT
Is someone able to get a comparison for this "pink" Freiza and him in Namek please coz I just forced myself to rewatch the trailer and I'm not seein this "pink" Freiza and youse aren't the only ones to mention it. You all sure it's not due the scenes lighting? You can see it better in the earlier trailers. It could be the lighting though. I don't think that it was an intentional design change since Toriyama kept the original first form when drawing DB Minus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 6:39:55 GMT
Well I was more wanting a comparison from the 3rd trailer but this will do. Seems to be the lighting of the scene more than a palette swap. Dunno about this slight design change, looks.........cute?
Cheers @thatguy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 0:38:33 GMT
@thatguy Nice they gave him the armor! Hopefully they still show Bardock in his original armor going up against Freeza. They may try to retcon the whole Bardock special but that final confrontation needs to happen since it was in the manga.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 4:34:46 GMT
Well I was more wanting a comparison from the 3rd trailer but this will do. Seems to be the lighting of the scene more than a palette swap. Dunno about this slight design change, looks.........cute? Cheers @thatguy I thought it was too hard to see. I'll give it a try though.
I had to jump through some HOOPS for this lmao. I need to get some photo editing software..... Anyway, I wish I could have found a better picture for Namek Saga Frieza but here ya go. Oh FFS mate, really? The YT interface? REALLY??!! Yea nah, that's perfect, sick cunt!! So unless @skar feels the need to double down on Freeza being pink I think it's safe to say that it's due to the scenes lighting. That said, I am still slightly miffed about the shoulder pad change you had in your previous post.
LOL this movie, man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 14:13:01 GMT
In the 2nd trailer, Freeza wasn't wearing armor when he destroyed Planet Vegeta so it looks like they fixed it in the image @thatguy posted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 18:24:09 GMT
Do ya think they do this shit intentionally as some sort of spoiler control or whatever or do ya think they genuinely forgot what Freeza fucking looked like?
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 10, 2018 18:46:48 GMT
Do ya think they do this shit intentionally as some sort of spoiler control or whatever or do ya think they genuinely forgot what Freeza fucking looked like? Toriyama goes on record for having a bad memory. He usually has people catch that for him. He isn’t afraid to change things on a whim though. He said he liked Bardock special in the past that he drew the character in the manga implying that special was canon, but over 20 years later he decided to rehaul Bardock with Dragon Ball Minus and change a lot. If he wanted Freeza to look younger this might be a thing he did for the movie. Let’s just be glad he didn’t make Super Saiyan Bardock manga canon because that would have been worse than Minus IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 19:20:09 GMT
Do ya think they do this shit intentionally as some sort of spoiler control or whatever or do ya think they genuinely forgot what Freeza fucking looked like? Toriyama goes on record for having a bad memory. He usually has people catch that for him. He isn’t afraid to change things on a whim though. He said he liked Bardock special in the past that he drew the character in the manga implying that special was canon, but over 20 years later he decided to rehaul Bardock with Dragon Ball Minus and change a lot. If he wanted Freeza to look younger this might be a thing he did for the movie. Let’s just be glad he didn’t make Super Saiyan Bardock manga canon because that would have been worse than Minus IMO. Oh I'm fully aware of his terribad memory, it's just that he had a redesigned Freeza enacting an already well known scene. So basically it comes down to him wanting Freeza to look like a cute child, EVERYONE grovelling at his feet sayin "YAY BRILLIANT" to the point that it is actually animated, proceed to proudly "tease" us with this shiny nuFreeza only to have the fans correct the record, again. Gettin real sick of this shit tbh.
Why do I sense retcons that make Mystic Gohan and permanent Potara's look like nothing? *shivers*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 19:27:58 GMT
Do ya think they do this shit intentionally as some sort of spoiler control or whatever or do ya think they genuinely forgot what Freeza fucking looked like? Toriyama gave Freeza the same design in DB Minus so I think Toei may have screwed up and then fixed it later. They usually show Toriyama's new character designs like with Broly so I'm assuming Freeza's changes were from Toei. Toriyama has mentioned in older interviews that he tries to make new ideas consistent with what's been established so inconsistencies are probably not intentional and due to him forgetting something. Fans could argue he doesn't give a shit anymore but that's not an argument in favor of DBS and only means he's not putting as much effort now. DB Minus is a good example when an author doesn't pay enough attention to consistency because the result is that they put even less effort into the story.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 0:50:12 GMT
Some supposed spoilers I saw on Kanzenshuu: -Whis does fight Broly as a distraction and Broly can't hit him at all. -Broly's power boost from the beginning of the fight to the end is bigger than Namek Freeza to RoF Freeza. -Piccolo's role is to teach Vegeta the Fusion Dance. -They mess up the first time and fuse into Veku. -Freeza wants a wish but not immortality. -Gogeta goes to finish off Broly, but Chela makes a wish to Shenron to save Broly from Gogeta killing him (so I guess Shenron teleports them to a different planet?)
I guess Gogeta does turn out to be stronger than Broly! They never confirmed if Vegetto was stronger than a GoD in the Goku Black saga so I wasn't sure if Gogeta would be. It makes sense since SSJ1 Gogeta and Vegetto were stronger than SSJ3 Goku so the fusions should be several times stronger when in the same form as Goku. There's supposed to be an early screening for the movie on the 14th so the rest should probably leak shortly after.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 18:32:43 GMT
@thatguy I figured we got the gist of the story already. It's going to cover DB Minus, Freeza brings Paragus and Broly to Earth to have revenge again, and then Goku and Vegeta fuse. The only mystery is the ending and Freeza's wish but Geekdom mentioned it was a gag wish so I guess he's no longer interested in immortality.
This does feel like a repeat of RoF with it being mostly fan service and no tension. Whis could probably knockout Broly but he only distracts him to give Goku and Vegeta a chance. We're told the Angels are supposed to remain neutral but Whis has helped them out before and prevented Beerus from destroying the universe so I can't imagine he would stand there if Broly's power was threatening the universe as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:38:01 GMT
@thatguy Oh my bad! When you said "I saw they're 100% real", I assumed you were saying that you already saw that they were confirmed and not unverified spoilers. I didn't know you meant you were trying to avoid spoilers. Well at least they don't spoil the entire movie .
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