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Post by Eldagusto on Jan 25, 2019 18:52:11 GMT
Now don’t lynch me but I’m my opinion the new Broly movies depiction of The Saiyans, Planet Vegeta and Broly are the best I’ve seen.
I love Multiverse and their take, but I feel Toriyama this time put a lot of thought into a functional setting. Good world building that the Saiyans are a warrior race and all can fight, but not everyone is a Soldier, some are technicians and butchers (not the fights kind).
And this is easily my favorite depiction of Broly blowing the original Broly out the water and even Multiverses various Brolys. I actually teared up and it wasn’t corny!
They portrayed a really good Bardock, Gine, King Vegeta the III, Paragus, Broly, Lemo, and Cheelai... though a crappier Frieza...
Seriously this is a more interesting take on Broly and Paragus, a lot of Nuance.
And also maybe I should make this more of a different thread, but Super seems to portray the Frieza Force as not very Big. So all the times we see Frieza Soldiers they are essentially the rare few exceptional supermen, and most that Frieza rules are well more comparable to Earthers, so normal. And this makes sense. So they say Saiyans being genocides would be half of the Frieza Force Removed, so dang that means at Beast the Frieza Force is in the Low Millions, but what they mention about Frieza killing most of the Frieza Force, I believe referring to the Earth Mission where he died again, the modern Frieza Force is sounds like less then a Million Soldiers.
Also I really like that they confirm more then Kakoratto, Napa, Veggy, Tarble and Raditz survived the genocide, as we see some randos also were off planet with Napa and gang. They probably died by the time we get to Dragonball it seems.
But over all great work with this Movie! It seems way more believable that they all aren’t completely sociopathic. It actually now just seems saiyans just have a strong Culture of Merciless fighting, but it’s not completely universal and there is nuance and outliers, like that Pilot and Gine.
Oh and I like how that Scouters are relatively new and expensive tech, and they used to use scopes. And I like how they clarify that single man pods are not the norm and when flying most people use mini ufo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 19:24:50 GMT
Honestly, I fucking hate how it takes away from the initial vision he had of the Saiyans.
How Kakarot becoming Goku was a freak accident that changed the fate of the universe.
I hate that Goku isn't the beginning of the "new and nice" Saiyans, so nice it turns the cold heart of the Prince, warm.
I hate that Goku is now Japanese Superman instead of Japanese Sun Wukong.
I hate how Goku's mum has got it going on. (seriously, her design is fucking KIIIIIIYUUUTE!)
I hate how the Saiyan's apparently became a space faring civilisation on their own yet somehow still live in mud huts. inb4 retcon 9375....
I have more gripes but those will do for now. All that said, as much as I legit hate what minus has taken away from Dragonball, I have to admit they have "officially" implemented it into this movie/franchise about as perfectly as possible. In both a lore/writing sense and marketing/future "prequel" content sense. As much as I hate it, it's not hmmmm, invasive(?) too on the nose(?) fuck, whatever, they make it work, they make it work well and I hate myself for liking how they did it.
Gotta go to work soon so I can't go into moar angry details but yea. I prefer the old lore, but the new lore is being handled well.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 25, 2019 19:46:01 GMT
I think it's only better than the original DBminus, but shittier than the original Special and U3. Actually, I wish the movie had skipped the entire DBminus (since Goku actually had little to do with the history as did Bardock/Gine). The flashbacks should have focused entirely on Broly/Paragus and maybe King Vegeta and Freeza.
Saiyans (beyond the main characters) still look wimpy in this movie, whether for good or bad. I'd say this whole DBminus inclusion is the only part I truly disliked about the movie in general terms. It overall feels like a poorly executed fan service, in a movie where top-notch executed fan service is the norm.
Also, the additional surviving saiyans were shit. I dunno what purpose they served. I guess more realism in that not only protagonists/important characters survived? Can't think of anything else since 2 of them did not even have dialogues.
I'm OK with the pilot since it was needed to make Paragus kick the puppy and make him seem like a cold bastard.
>>Basically...
>>Broly and Paragus have a superior depiction in DBS
>>Saiyans and Planet Vegeta in general have an inferior depiction in DBminus and DBS.
No offense but I think you dudes are too hyped because of the movie's recent release and aren't separating the wheat from the chaff on it properly. There is really nothing positive to say about DBMinus in general since it's basically a deliberately diluted, softcore, PG13 version of the saiyans. Are you people truly arguing this Krypton-like shit is better than the 90's Bardock special?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 19:48:08 GMT
I think it's only better than the original DBminus, but shittier than the original Special and U3. Actually, I wish the movie had skipped the entire DBminus (since Goku actually had little to do with the history as did Bardock/Gine). The flashbacks should have focused entirely on Broly/Paragus and maybe King Vegeta and Freeza. Saiyans (beyond the main characters) still look wimpy in this movie, whether for good or bad. I'd say this whole DBminus inclusion is the only part I truly disliked about the movie in general terms. It overall feels like a poorly executed fan service, in a movie where top-notch executed fan service is the norm. B-but muh cannonz? |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jan 25, 2019 19:49:32 GMT
I think it's only better than the original DBminus, but shittier than the original Special and U3. Actually, I wish the movie had skipped the entire DBminus (since Goku actually had little to do with the history as did Bardock/Gine). The flashbacks should have focused entirely on Broly/Paragus and maybe King Vegeta and Freeza. Saiyans (beyond the main characters) still look wimpy in this movie, whether for good or bad. I'd say this whole DBminus inclusion is the only part I truly disliked about the movie in general terms. It overall feels like a poorly executed fan service, in a movie where top-notch executed fan service is the norm. B-but muh cannonz? Don't worry, Broly is canon now (at least). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 19:53:28 GMT
Don't worry, Broly is canon now (at least). So is everything else in the bloody movie, for better or worse......
Anyway who's hotter, DBM Hanasia or DBS Gine?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 20:36:47 GMT
Now don’t lynch me but I’m my opinion the new Broly movies depiction of The Saiyans, Planet Vegeta and Broly are the best I’ve seen. To be fair, I don't think DBM (or the Bardock TV special that DBM's Saiyans were based on) implied that all of them were soldiers. Even in primitive tribes, not every single person in the tribe is a hunter. I prefer the original depiction of the Saiyans because it felt more consistent with what we learned about them in the manga. They were a race of barbarians who conquered planets with Goku being the only outlier. When Raditz first landed on Earth, that was our introduction to a typical Saiyan. He was a ruthless bastard willing to kill his own brother for failing his mission. Everything about DBS feels like a retcon and Toriyama changing his mind about how the Saiyans were portrayed. Goku wasn't sent to Earth to conquer it but instead because his parents wanted to protect him from the planet's destruction. That means Raditz had no reason to be upset with Goku and his parents just lied to him. Goku was originally an outlier in the family because he hit his head. Since Raditz was older than Goku, he actually got to spend time with his parents which implies there was nothing special about them and they were also typical Saiyans. Now Raditz is technically the outlier in the family and the only one who was evil. DB "Minus" is a pretty fitting name since it's only purpose is to take away from what made Goku unique  .
When an author revisits their work decades later, they're likely going to be in a different mindset than when they wrote the original. I'm sure that's what happened with DB Minus. After the Bardock TV special came out, Toriyama never implied he had a problem with it and continued the manga for another five years with no mention of the Saiyans or their culture. They were only ever mentioned twice after that. When Freeza brought up how they also killed innocent people and SSJ Goku saying "that's why they perished". The second time was when Shin mentioned that Buu destroyed a few hundred planets in only a few years and Vegeta thinking to himself that the Saiyans could also do that. For whatever reason, Toriyama changed his mind almost 20 years later. I'm not sure what was the point of it exactly. It would really count as good world building if it's less consistent with what he wrote in the manga and it causes us to reevaluate what we learned in the Saiyan saga? DB Minus doesn't answer any old pressing questions about the Saiyans and only raises other questions. I agree with Genghis Khan that the movie may have benefited without including Minus and showing Planet Vegeta's destruction yet again since more screentime could've went to Broly and Paragus.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 25, 2019 21:01:18 GMT
Does the movie go into how the Saiyans got recruited into Freeza’s or rather King Cold’s business? Do we get history on it? Are the Tuffles canon now or not? I ask because Super made the whole Saiyans invaded Planet Plant and stole it after they lost their original homeworld. It is hard to keep track of what is canon and not. I doubt I will even see the movie until it is released for home entertainment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 22:25:23 GMT
Does the movie go into how the Saiyans got recruited into Freeza’s or rather King Cold’s business? Do we get history on it? Are the Tuffles canon now or not? I ask because Super made the whole Saiyans invaded Planet Plant and stole it after they lost their original homeworld. It is hard to keep track of what is canon and not. I doubt I will even see the movie until it is released for home entertainment. Toriyama was actually the one to create the Tuffles for the anime. I think these two are the only times Toriyama himself has every talked about the Tuffles. This is from Kanzenshuu's anime production guide:
Saiyan and Tsufruian Background
Toriyama had written a memo to the anime staff outlining most of the Saiyan and Tsufruian backstory that appears in Dragon Ball Z episode 20. His memo on this is reprinted in the Dragon Ball Z Anime Special, Daizenshuu 5, and Son Goku Densetsu (the readability of which varies with each reproduction).
The memo included the following descriptive note from Toriyama:
The next is from a recent interview. I'm pretty sure he still considers them canon since this interview came out after BoG:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 5:49:00 GMT
Does the movie go into how the Saiyans got recruited into Freeza’s or rather King Cold’s business? Do we get history on it? Are the Tuffles canon now or not? I ask because Super made the whole Saiyans invaded Planet Plant and stole it after they lost their original homeworld. It is hard to keep track of what is canon and not. I doubt I will even see the movie until it is released for home entertainment. I don't mean to derail this thread but Son Pan, from one cranky old school DB fan to another, do yourself a favour and see Broly at the theater. I can not, nay, WILL not sit here and act all elitist and say FUCK SUPER! BOYCOTT OR PIRATE! WOO!
I mean fuck Super n all but you are doing yourself a massive disservice if you don't watch it at the cinema.
Story/continuity/canon fault be damned, it is an experience you can not recreate on the small screen. I honestly and humbly recommend you swallow your pride, find the time/cash, then get your purdy arse down to ya local and enjoy the experience.
Put it this way, when I next get paid, I'm gonna go and watch it again. ME PAYING TWICE FOR FUCKING BROLY? THIS IS MADNESS!! Mate, I am honestly welling up a bit as I type this sentence coz I'm thinking about how legitimately happy I was while watching it, I felt like a kid goin to the movies for the first time.
You think I didn't almost cry while sitting in the cinema? 35 yrs old and pretending I got shit in my eyes so cunts don't catch on to my shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 14:25:14 GMT
I think the movie is worth watching in theaters just for the great animation and Broly. I love this new Broly because a sympathetic character in base but still the LSSJ with uncontrollable rage. He's a mutant Saiyan which could explain why he's different than the typical Saiyan without taking anything away from Goku. I'm glad Toriyama was the one to write this because he's the only one who could get away with making Broly this powerful. Anyone who tried to make a version of Broly stronger than his original movie counterpart gets called out for wanking the character or being a Broly fanboy. Toriyama has Broly surpass SSJB and maybe even Beerus in about an hour of fighting. You can't get accused of Broly wanking when the original author powered him up more than any other version. I've always liked the idea that LSSJ has potential to surpass every other form so I'm glad Toriyama was behind this!
To be fair, it's the same with Minus. No one can fault Salagir or old school Toei for trying to stay consistent with the manga's original depiction of the Saiyans. Toriyama is the only person who could get away with something like Minus. If a new Toei employee thought Minus would be a good idea 20 years after the Bardock special, there's a possibility he'd get fired or at least not allowed to touch Dragonball again. In fan comics, any minor discrepancy is called out so there's no fan who could get a pass for all the unnecessary retcons in Minus like changing Goku's reason for being sent to Earth or making his backstory almost a copy of Superman's. I can understand if someone likes that version more but it's fair to acknowledge that different from what we learn in the original story and Toriyama is the only one who could change it.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 27, 2019 9:33:37 GMT
I saw the movie Saturday evening and after seeing it I think DBM is better overall, but do think the Saiyans not being a planet of hate where everyone is only one thing makes sense. Warriors being celebrated and being on top of the food chain still keeps things intact and makes sense. Lower caste system who suck at fighting and being given other jobs would make the most sense given they would be the rejects. However, I think overall DBM did a better job exploring Saiyan culture and keeping the Saiyans original origin story of being a race found by Freeza’s family and brought into the fold to kick start their technology advance and return them into a space faring race.
Largely I don’t think this version of the Saiyan race really showed much more than Dragon Ball Minus. Overall I think DBM did Bardock better and actually kept the original characterization of him being an asshole intact and didn’t try to downsize it in favor of making him more heroic or good natured like other works have done. This new movie spent even less time on the Saiyans and Bardock, so his change to caring about Kakarot and wanting to save him is given he had a change of heart. It is weaker than the original that showed Bardock’s change of heart so to speak by seeing his teammates dead and betrayed by Freeza along with the constant visions of the future of his race’s destruction and Goku’s life.
All the cool new stuff like incubating the Saiyans never given a reason other then looking by cool, which sucks because I would have liked to seen the reason behind it and learn what purpose these played in Saiyan society. The change to making Saiyans half of Freeza’s fighting force jells well with the retcon that DB universe is mostly empty, but is stupid. It makes Freeza an idiot for destroying the Saiyans rather than I don’t know taking the Saiyans children to use as hostages for good behavior and then personally condition the kids to be loyal to him so he eliminates the problem of them ever rebelling.
Before the Saiyans were said to be a small part of Freeza’s forces and were deemed mostly weak, but useful for their love of fighting and Great Ape form. Freeza only destroyed the planet when new talent like Vegeta was being born and low levels like Bardock and his team were growing stronger than Freeza’s elites at an alarming rate, making him kill off most of the race out of fear a unified Saiyan force could do. Minus stuff makes Freeza look worst to me. In this one his intent was to kill all the Saiyans but he couldn’t be bothered for all of them (Vegeta’s group) to return and blow it up prematurely then go meh I guess I’ll keep these guys alive.
The most interesting aspects that I liked that DBM didn’t touch on were lacking or left unexplored. I thought it was interesting that King Cold originally found the Saiyans and brought them into the fold while Freeza had only been their boss for five years before he destroyed them. I would have liked to have been given a more depth to when or how Cold and the Saiyans formed their alliance and how they interacted. The Saiyan stuff would have flourished so much better in its own movie or anime arc. As it is I enjoyed Toei’s version of the Saiyans time under Freeza’s rule than Toriyama’s version. The filler scenes during the Freeza arc were pretty good overall. I preferred Freeza and Vegeta having a closer relationship to the point that Freeza intentionally destroyed the planet when Vegeta was gone to spare him because he saw him so valuable. DBM gave the whole kingship/rulership being won by combat, which fit Saiyan society and I think showed the problems of Saiyan society would have and ruthless they are. Felt like Broly didn’t give us much to latch onto for the Saiyans to make me think this was the best interpretation of them. They gave us the best Broly though in terms of a character and gave him good humanizing moments and a good ending for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 21:24:41 GMT
The change to making Saiyans half of Freeza’s fighting force jells well with the retcon that DB universe is mostly empty, but is stupid. Yeah I thought this was odd because it makes his army a lot smaller than we originally thought. In Minus, it was mentioned that there were only a few thousand Saiyans on Planet Vegeta so the entire Freeza army might have less than 10,000 soldiers at best. That's pretty small for an intergalactic empire considering small countries could have bigger armies than that. The army may have grown as they conquered more planets between Planet Vegeta's destruction and the Freeza saga but who knows how much. The few dozen soldiers he brought with him to Namek were killed. After Freeza and King Cold were killed, the empire was in ruin and I think it was implied more soldiers were killed in rebellions or just quit. In RoF, Freeza brought 1000 soldiers with him to Earth and killed them all. His army might not have more than a few hundred left at this point but that might be enough for what's left of the universe since most planets we've seen aside from Earth are sparsely populated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
The change to making Saiyans half of Freeza’s fighting force jells well with the retcon that DB universe is mostly empty, but is stupid. Yeah I thought this was odd because it makes his army a lot smaller than we originally thought. In Minus, it was mentioned that there were only a few thousand Saiyans on Planet Vegeta so the entire Freeza army might have less than 10,000 soldiers at best. That's pretty small for an intergalactic empire considering small countries could have bigger armies than that. The army may have grown as they conquered more planets between Planet Vegeta's destruction and the Freeza saga but who knows how much. The few dozen soldiers he brought with him to Namek were killed. After Freeza and King Cold were killed, the empire was in ruin and I think it was implied more soldiers were killed in rebellions or just quit. In RoF, Freeza brought 1000 soldiers with him to Earth and killed them all. His army might not have more than a few hundred left at this point but that might be enough for what's left of the universe since most planets we've seen aside from Earth are sparsely populated. I mean how could the Saiyans make a living by overtaking inhabited planets, for untold generations at that, if the galaxy is as biologically barren as it has been retconned to be? "We just send our babies to shitty low level planets" they say that like it's done every other day. It doesn't add up.
Struth, excluding E-arth, how many different species are there in DB?
edit: Don't they imply the Saiyan's make up roughly 50% of their "forces" in terms of efficiency/power, not numbers?
Like 1 Saiyan is worth X amount of shitkickers?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 20:06:42 GMT
@invaderjim
Yeah I'm pretty sure we've seen more than 28 different races in the series and not even counting filler and movies. It might be that Freeza offers a job to the outlaws, criminals, etc of a planet before wiping out its population. That could explain why his army consists of so many different races even though there are barely any planets left. I'm not sure what was the reason for making the universe so empty. Considering that there are trillions upon trillions of planets in the universe, Toriyama could say only a few million have life on them and it's still over 99.9% empty.
I got this crazy theory that all this is meant to show that Freeza is less evil than we originally thought in order to make it easier to redeem him. In the original manga, Freeza was an irredeemable bastard who was killed by Trunks and that was the last time we see him. For whatever reason, Toriyama may have changed his mind.
-His army is a lot smaller than we first thought which means he was responsible for killing less innocent people.
-We assumed Freeza himself hired/enslaved the Saiyans but it turns out it was King Cold and he handed it down to Freeza.
-Originally, it was Freeza alone who decided to kill the Saiyans. In DBS, he still feared them but Beerus also told him to do it so Freeza is no longer fully accountable.
-He reluctantly helped out in the ToP like Vegeta on Namek. The anime had Freeza want to win and overthrow the gods but that wasn't in the manga so probably not Toriyama's idea. Even if he did win, it's unlikely the Grand Priest would grant his wish anyway.
-Freeza abandoned his wish for immortality in favor of the most non-threatening gag wish from any villain in the series. I didn't really understand his reasoning for not wanting it anymore but most likely it's a way to show he's less of a threat now.
-Gogeta spares him at the end of the movie. Goku was going to kill Mecha Freeza if Trunks hadn't intervened like he did in the future timeline and he killed Freeza in RoF. Goku is willing to kill Freeza after his first two attempts at revenge but the fusion of Goku and Vegeta spares him after his 3rd attempt? The only excuse I could think of is that Toriyama wanted to keep him around so they had no choice but to let Freeza go.
-Moro might be what Buu was to Vegeta, an ancient evil creature that has Freeza develop as he's forced to work with Goku and the others. Since there aren't many planets left, Moro might run into Freeza and his army as he's satisfying his hunger.
Maybe Freeza is redeemed or sacrifices himself I don't know. I just think that Toriyama has something planned for him and these changes to his character and background might not be coincidental. Freeza has already been given more chances than any other villain in the series so I can't imagine Goku and Vegeta would let Freeza keep coming back for revenge and sparing him each time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 20:51:11 GMT
@skar - what's frustrating is we can apply numerous hypothesis' to these changes, many of which could make sense but the underlying answer will be disappointing, very likely a combination of senility and money. edit: also the K.I.S.S. method is likely applying here.
I don't mean to sound like a rude cunt but this new narrative (DB Minusification) is not worth me wasting my time on outside of me saying I don't like it. I mean fuck, what's the point? Half the movie is probably only going to be retconned for the series anyway......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 15:01:29 GMT
@skar - what's frustrating is we can apply numerous hypothesis' to these changes, many of which could make sense but the underlying answer will be disappointing, very likely a combination of senility and money. edit: also the K.I.S.S. method is likely applying here.Yeah I guess it's a little bit of both. My father is around Toriyama's age and his memory ain't what it used to be. It's hard to tell what's an intentional retcon and if Toriyama is filling in blanks because he forgot what he wrote before. I noticed that Man of Steel was released a few months before Minus. Coincidence? I think not! Toriyama may have watched MoS and got mixed up between Goku's backstory that he originally only based on Superman's but gave a different reason for why Goku was sent to Earth and Superman's actual backstory about being sent there to escape his planet's destruction. |
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Post by Son Pan on Feb 25, 2019 22:27:11 GMT
The change to making Saiyans half of Freeza’s fighting force jells well with the retcon that DB universe is mostly empty, but is stupid. Yeah I thought this was odd because it makes his army a lot smaller than we originally thought. In Minus, it was mentioned that there were only a few thousand Saiyans on Planet Vegeta so the entire Freeza army might have less than 10,000 soldiers at best. That's pretty small for an intergalactic empire considering small countries could have bigger armies than that. The army may have grown as they conquered more planets between Planet Vegeta's destruction and the Freeza saga but who knows how much. The few dozen soldiers he brought with him to Namek were killed. After Freeza and King Cold were killed, the empire was in ruin and I think it was implied more soldiers were killed in rebellions or just quit. In RoF, Freeza brought 1000 soldiers with him to Earth and killed them all. His army might not have more than a few hundred left at this point but that might be enough for what's left of the universe since most planets we've seen aside from Earth are sparsely populated. I totally understand your sentiment. It is just too small to fit with what we have seen in old DBZ anime/DB manga. It is true we are never given a number for how many people are in Freeza's army or how large the organization is, but there are implications it is a larger business and empire to a much more populated universe. I remember the planet Vegeta landed on after Earth fiasco was just dubbed Planet Freeza 70 something, which implies Freeza has at least 70 planets for himself that serve as bases for his organization alone. They aren't even the planets he sold to other people. While I know not every planet is going to be heavily populated like Earth to have a business that trades in planets and eliminates other races to sell said planets just has to be larger than 28.
Even with new DB lore still doesn't treat the main universe as a small place, because Freeza casually destroys his own army for shallow reasons (when he needs more troops to hold the universe) and the movie itself shows us in the end that Freeza is attacking another planet and killing its population despite the universe having a very, very low population as it is. I don't get how the Saiyans or Freeza could make money killing civilizations and selling their planets. There are no buyers for it. I mean how could the Saiyans make a living by overtaking inhabited planets, for untold generations at that, if the galaxy is as biologically barren as it has been retconned to be? "We just send our babies to shitty low level planets" they say that like it's done every other day. It doesn't add up.
Struth, excluding E-arth, how many different species are there in DB?
edit: Don't they imply the Saiyan's make up roughly 50% of their "forces" in terms of efficiency/power, not numbers?
Like 1 Saiyan is worth X amount of shitkickers?
Thank you Jim that is exactly my point. It doesn't mesh up well with what we've been told before. At this point I would accept the 28 planets thing was a new development brought on by Beerus and Goku battle. A battle that threatened to destroy the universe actually took out 99% of the universe and ToP arc revealed this little nugget is the reason Universe 7 dropped near the bottom of the omni-verse poll would have made Goku and Beerus look bad, but would have at least offered us a reason why the universe went from large enough for Freeza to kill off a lot of civilizations and sell their planets to being nearly empty. It would have made BoG arc a lot more impactful and heavy if we saw Beerus' desire for a good fight actually doomed most of the universe to extinction and then threatened to wipe out what was left. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 1:44:52 GMT
Even with new DB lore still doesn't treat the main universe as a small place, because Freeza casually destroys his own army for shallow reasons (when he needs more troops to hold the universe) and the movie itself shows us in the end that Freeza is attacking another planet and killing its population despite the universe having a very, very low population as it is. I don't get how the Saiyans or Freeza could make money killing civilizations and selling their planets. There are no buyers for it. In RoF, Sorbet mentioned there was a rebellion on Freeza #448 so Freeza's empire has at least that many planets! I'm not sure why there's a rebellion but maybe that was a planet the army tried to conquer on their own after Freeza's death and failed to eliminate all its population. Something interested I found out recently is that the first time 28 planets was brought up was also in RoF.  When most of us saw this scene we likely just assumed it was a screenshot of a bunch of random planets and not a model of all the remaining planets in the universe! Sorbet said they could easily conquer at least 70% once they resurrect Freeza which is about 20 planets. I guess the eight other planets are ones they either haven't scouted yet but like Broly's planet, ones they think Freeza would want to avoid like Earth, or the home planet of whatever race buys up these empty planets. Would Beerus' planet count? The Wiki says it's located in the living realm rather than Other World but I don't remember if it was mentioned in DBS. |
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