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Post by squirz96 on Jun 6, 2019 10:25:20 GMT
Who is the stronger out of two? We know that this Gotenks is somewhat stronger compared to his Buu saga counterpart since he has adult body and had minimal training.
I strongly believe that Buu saga SSJ3 Gotenks was stronger then Buu saga SSJ3 Goku. Many say that Buu Saga base Vegito was at the level of SSJ3 Goku at that time. However, I argue that he was somewhat stronger maybe even at Mystic Gohan level or between SSJ3 Goku and Mystic Gohan.
Another question is how fast Vegito gets stronger. Is at the same level like Goku or Vegeta? Or his increase of strength is even greater then that?
Now I let's say that SSJ3 Gotenks and Base U16 Vegito has the same power. I still believe that Vegito would win. Here is why:
a) Potara fusion is more stable then fusion dance. Even with Buu's given ability hax that allows fusion without waiting 30 minutes, Vegito's fusion is stable.
b) Vegito is a product of two genius fighters Goku and Vegeta. He can easily combine best strategies that both of them could come up with and create even better one.
c) Both Goku and Vegeta are better fighters compared to Goten and Trunks.
Only way, I see Gotenks defeating Vegito is somehow defusing Vegito, which I doubt that even if such technique exists is plausible for Gotenks to know about it.
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Post by drewsaga on Jun 6, 2019 15:40:49 GMT
SSJ3 Adult Gotenks easily since in DBM he was compared to SSJ Vegetto while in SSJ3 and at least lasted more than a few seconds against Zen Buu in a fight (I mean Tien did too but Buu just sat there and took it for him). Let's not forget that kid SSJ3 Gotenks is more powerful than Super Buu. Base Vegetto in DBM seems to be about on par with SSJ3 Goku in DBM or a bit stronger from what I seen in the comics but that's unknown and from what I remember, the U16 novel contradicts that and puts Base Vegetto above Mystic Gohan.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jun 6, 2019 16:34:02 GMT
Buuhan (and likely also Buutenks!) was already stronger than Base Vegetto. There shouldn't even be any doubt of an upgraded adult Gotenks who was able to match a "slightly serious" Zen Buu.
We had a panel of Vegetto in base getting really worried about Buu powering up. If he was worried, Buu clearly was fighting at a level far, far stronger than Vegetto's base. Buuhan was already far stronger than Vegeto base, so the power displayed by Buu during that fight with Steroid Gotenks had to be 100% stronger than even SSJ Vegetto for him to be this surprised/unsettled, since he should already have expected Buuhan to be stronger than his base considering his previous experience. And then Gotenks' transformed to SSJ3 getting a power enough to match him. The worried face basically confirmed us they were both at a level enough to somewhat worry him. Buu clearly did not show his max power but maybe Gotenks was.
You are also forgetting the adult body is not the only factor. Buu also gave them a more effective fusion technique, which on top of far more power, allows them to re-fuse instantly. The original scene was not so explicit in regards to how strong they were (could be anywhere from SSJ1 Vegetto to SSJ2), but the novel was. Also, you forgot U18 Gotenks =/= U16 Gotenks. U16 Gotenks is certainly weaker due to lacking the upgraded technique.
So yeah, base Vegetto gets smoked. I think SSJ1 Vegetto could win though (maybe only due to Gotenks' inherent stupidity). I don't think it was necessary to open a poll for this.
Buu (holding back) = Gotenks SSJ3 (steroids) >>> SSJ1 Vegetto >>>>> Buuhan >> Base Vegetto
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Post by Gogeta on Jun 6, 2019 18:05:43 GMT
I'd say SSJ2 Vegito > Upgraded SSJ3 Adult Gotenks > SSJ Vegito >= Pre-Upgrade SSJ3 Adult Gotenks
Buu seemed to take Gotenks semi-seriously (I don't think he was quite at full power but he definitely let himself flex a sizable portion of power) which had Vegito visibly worried. Yet despite that adult Gotenks was able to match that and it was really only a forced de-fusion that ended the fight (though Buu probably could've powered up more to overpower him but Buu hasn't really gone all out yet and seems to be avoiding doing so)
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Post by fooshin on Jul 1, 2019 6:30:31 GMT
I think a better question would be how does u18 upgraded gotenks compare with majin bra. I'm really curious how that would turn out if he were somehow at the tournament instead of the gohans.
My best guess is that he would be slightly more powerful but she would be more skilled and far deadlier.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 1, 2019 6:44:00 GMT
I think a better question would be how does u18 upgraded gotenks compare with majin bra. I'm really curious how that would turn out if he were somehow at the tournament instead of the gohans. My best guess is that he would be slightly more powerful but she would be more skilled and far deadlier. I think U18 Upgraded Gotenks vs. SSJ2 Majin Bra would look similar to Buutenks vs. Gohan. Buutenks would be Gotenks (lol) and Gohan would be Bra. Or a bit worse in PL gap. Non upgraded Gotenks would be closer to the scenario you suggest. Upgraded Gotenks is really really OP. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 8:28:58 GMT
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Post by VoidSlayer on Aug 22, 2019 8:53:39 GMT
If you'd said SS1 Vegito Vs SS3 Gotenks (Any universe), then this would be a much closer battle to call.
I'd Say Vegito, purely because why he may be weaker, it's much, much closer and most importantly- no energy drain.
Or if we're doing 'What-Ifs'= What about Base Vegito Vs Mystic Gohan?
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Post by Happi on Jun 5, 2021 14:31:12 GMT
Just want to place my 2 cents in here.
SSJ3 A.Gotenks should dominate in terms of raw power and creative techniques, although it's arguable that his inheritant stupidity/cockiness and time limit (for fusion and/or SSJ3) may be what costs him the fight but I think he should win. Why? (Well even if he did defuse, I'm pretty sure Vegito would admit he'd lost even if he outlasted the time limit.)
It's the same question when you ask how strong Vegito's base is. We know from Salagir that SSJ2 Bra is stronger than SSJ Vegito, which means Vegito is always stronger than Bra when on the same transformation. Now we have to ask how strong is Bra; which is easy because in the Kold fight Piccolo points out he's close to Perfect Cell's (we don't exactly know which version of Perfect Cell but I'd assume before his apparent suicide, or after? I doubt U17 Cell.), so now we know that Vegito's power lies on the horizon of a SSJ2 at the minimum. Where exactly is he? We'll never know for sure, probably SSJ3 low-tier at the best.
So yeah, going by Salagir's logic, a SSJ can never hope to defeat even the weakest SSJ2 and etc. So Vegito is going to get the Fat Buu vs SSJ3 Goku treatment almost as badly.
Edit: Forgot to mention this but yeah, Salagir said Super Vegito and SSJ3 A.Gotenks are about the same. So easy curbstomp but defining "why/how" it's an curbstomp is more fun.
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Post by Axalon on Jun 5, 2021 17:35:35 GMT
Just want to place my 2 cents in here. SSJ3 A.Gotenks should dominate in terms of raw power and creative techniques, although it's arguable that his inheritant stupidity/cockiness and time limit (for fusion and/or SSJ3) may be what costs him the fight but I think he should win. Why? (Well even if he did defuse, I'm pretty sure Vegito would admit he'd lost even if he outlasted the time limit.) It's the same question when you ask how strong Vegito's base is. We know from Salagir that SSJ2 Bra is stronger than SSJ Vegito, which means Vegito is always stronger than Bra when on the same transformation. Now we have to ask how strong is Bra; which is easy because in the Kold fight Piccolo points out he's close to Perfect Cell's (we don't exactly know which version of Perfect Cell but I'd assume before his apparent suicide, or after? I doubt U17 Cell.), so now we know that Vegito's power lies on the horizon of a SSJ2 at the minimum. Where exactly is he? We'll never know for sure, probably SSJ3 low-tier at the best. So yeah, going by Salagir's logic, a SSJ can never hope to defeat even the weakest SSJ2 and etc. So Vegito is going to get the Fat Buu vs SSJ3 Goku treatment almost as badly. Edit: Forgot to mention this but yeah, Salagir said Super Vegito and SSJ3 A.Gotenks are about the same. So easy curbstomp but defining "why/how" it's an curbstomp is more fun. You should be careful. Salagir will say one thing and then do the opposite. For instance, Salagir has previously said that "In U20, Broly wasn't stronger than black holes". Well come the last special with U20 Broly and...well he was stronger than a bunch of black holes. |
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Post by Happi on Jun 5, 2021 18:53:43 GMT
You should be careful. Salagir will say one thing and then do the opposite. For instance, Salagir has previously said that "In U20, Broly wasn't stronger than black holes". Well come the last special with U20 Broly and...well he was stronger than a bunch of black holes. I'll take my chances. This is the present, so I nor anyone here are technically wrong by the time Salagir reveals up-to-date information. If need be, I'll do an update.  |
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Post by godjacob on Jun 5, 2021 19:41:56 GMT
Honestly it rarely matters how strong Gotenks is in situations. The guy (Both in canon and DBM) is such a childish/cocky moron he never takes advantage of any gap in power he has over his opponent and usually ends up biting him in the ass.
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