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Post by drewsaga on Oct 17, 2020 4:58:22 GMT
So we know the Jakayls are extremely powerful, even able to topple SSJ Bra when all three of them are put together. We also know that SSJ2 Bra during the end of the special is stronger than Mystic Gohan so Bra is already more powerful then than U18 Goku and U18 Vegeta likely are. But what would happen if Buu Saga Goku fought against the T H I C C lady or against all three of them? That would certainly make for an interesting matchup and I am somewhat surprised that we don't see the improved Jakayls in U18 because wouldn't they consider the guy who was able to defeat Majin Buu (Goku) a big enough threat to conduct the experiment like they did with Vegetto? Or is Goku just not well known because Vegetto is a space patrol.
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Post by Axalon on Oct 17, 2020 5:04:39 GMT
Given that Vegito said Bra only surpassed Gohan upon her unlocking of SS2, I think it's more than fair to say that Goku wouldn't stand a chance here. How close SS1 Bra was to Gohan at this time is unknown, but if I had to hazard a guess she was likely at Super Buu or something. Vegeta would fare even worse naturally, while Gohan could probably take them.
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Post by drewsaga on Oct 17, 2020 5:11:34 GMT
Given that Vegito said Bra only surpassed Gohan upon her unlocking of SS2, I think it's more than fair to say that Goku wouldn't stand a chance here. How close SS1 Bra was to Gohan at this time is unknown, but if I had to hazard a guess she was likely at Super Buu or something. Vegeta would fare even worse naturally, while Gohan could probably take them. I thought Bra was still weaker than Gohan in regular SSJ in DBM meaning that during this special she is even weaker than that so wouldn't that put her a lot closer to SSJ3 Goku/Kid Buu? Vegeta's true power in DBM is unknown so the jury's still out on that one but at SSJ2 he'd get smoked obviously. Even with that surely fighting experience would also be a factor here as well which Goku has far more of than Bra does at this point in time. But Goku has the disadvantage of SSJ3 draining energy fast so there is that catch as well.
I suppose if U18 had to fight these guys that Goku probably didn't do it alone since Gohan is the powerhouse in U18.
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Post by Axalon on Oct 17, 2020 5:20:24 GMT
Given that Vegito said Bra only surpassed Gohan upon her unlocking of SS2, I think it's more than fair to say that Goku wouldn't stand a chance here. How close SS1 Bra was to Gohan at this time is unknown, but if I had to hazard a guess she was likely at Super Buu or something. Vegeta would fare even worse naturally, while Gohan could probably take them. I thought Bra was still weaker than Gohan in regular SSJ in DBM meaning that during this special she is even weaker than that so wouldn't that put her a lot closer to SSJ3 Goku/Kid Buu? Vegeta's true power in DBM is unknown so the jury's still out on that one but at SSJ2 he'd get smoked obviously. Even with that surely fighting experience would also be a factor here as well which Goku has far more of than Bra does at this point in time. But Goku has the disadvantage of SSJ3 draining energy fast so there is that catch as well.
I suppose if U18 had to fight these guys that Goku probably didn't do it alone since Gohan is the powerhouse in U18.
Six year old SS1 Bra being as strong as Super Buu feels like something DBM would do, so I'm going with it. SS3 Goku/Kid Buu would be a more conservative estimate that I could accept as well though. |
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Post by drewsaga on Oct 17, 2020 5:43:19 GMT
I thought Bra was still weaker than Gohan in regular SSJ in DBM meaning that during this special she is even weaker than that so wouldn't that put her a lot closer to SSJ3 Goku/Kid Buu? Vegeta's true power in DBM is unknown so the jury's still out on that one but at SSJ2 he'd get smoked obviously. Even with that surely fighting experience would also be a factor here as well which Goku has far more of than Bra does at this point in time. But Goku has the disadvantage of SSJ3 draining energy fast so there is that catch as well.
I suppose if U18 had to fight these guys that Goku probably didn't do it alone since Gohan is the powerhouse in U18.
Six year old SS1 Bra being as strong as Super Buu feels like something DBM would do, so I'm going with it. SS3 Goku/Kid Buu would be a more conservative estimate that I could accept as well though. That's a pretty major stretch. I don't think 6-Year-Old Bra is anywhere close to Super Buu (if your referring to the other U16 Double Special). Don't forget that Gotenks was going easy on Bra and only needed regular SSJ while he was going easy on her. Power scaling here is weird but I don't think SSJ Gotenks is nearly as powerful as Super Buu neither as well so for all we know Bra is likely still only somewhere between SSJ2 Goku and SSJ3 Goku in that special (probably a lot closer to SSJ2 Goku).
Obviously she would become much stronger between then and this double special.
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Post by Axalon on Oct 17, 2020 5:54:53 GMT
Six year old SS1 Bra being as strong as Super Buu feels like something DBM would do, so I'm going with it. SS3 Goku/Kid Buu would be a more conservative estimate that I could accept as well though. That's a pretty major stretch. I don't think 6-Year-Old Bra is anywhere close to Super Buu (if your referring to the other U16 Double Special). Don't forget that Gotenks was going easy on Bra and only needed regular SSJ while he was going easy on her. Power scaling here is weird but I don't think SSJ Gotenks is nearly as powerful as Super Buu neither as well so for all we know Bra is likely still only somewhere between SSJ2 Goku and SSJ3 Goku in that special (probably a lot closer to SSJ2 Goku).
Obviously she would become much stronger between then and this double special.
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Post by Blaze on Oct 17, 2020 10:58:38 GMT
I wish we could've gotten to see this fight, but I doubt it ever happened.
As to how it would've gone... we have no idea how strong SSj Bra is here, only a vague idea of her SSj2. The way the tiers seem to be done, I'd guess she's around a weak SSj3 level though? We can't really know though. I'd love to see Goku go up against them and I think it'd be a good fight.
Gohan should be able to stomp though. 11/12 year old Bra might be stronger than him as a SSj2, but I doubt the gap is enough that he'd have difficulty with the Jaykals.
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Post by Solus on Oct 17, 2020 11:36:27 GMT
Dudes, I really don't know where you are coming from. What makes you think those Jaykals are significantly stronger than Bojack? Goten could fend of one of them before his transformation. Now assuming that Goten was nearly as strong as Goku during Cell games is already a giant stretch. Why would Goten have such levels of power if he only ever casually trains and also has no need to do so? At this point in time I would think Goten was as strong as tournament Bardock at max. But let's give him the benefit of doubt and say, he was in deed as strong as Goku during Cell Games. Good old Bojack would still fare exactly the same as his heir did. Be a little bit overpowered in his normal form but whipe the floor with him as soon as he transformed. There are no hints that there is a significant gap in the powerlevels of the three Jaykals. We assume that the big one is the strongest because she acts like the leader. But even if she is, there is absolutely nothing that indicates that she would be a whole tier above the other two. So I don't see any of the Jaykals stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
And with that in mind, there is no reason to show this arc in U18. It would have happened all the same (with the additional complication of finding a fourth person who could teleport) but without major fuck-ups. We'd have Vegeta, Goku, Gohan and Gotenks to whipe the floor with anything, that could have been a little thread to anyone. Remember that the Jaykals were not the threat in this chapter. They were just strong enough to defeat little Bra 3 on 1. Even in one on one they would have lost.
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Post by lssj200000 on Oct 17, 2020 11:37:33 GMT
I heard SS2 is ten times SS1 in DBM so assuming it took SS2 to surpass Gohan and a rage boost (I guess) she honestly might’ve been SS3 Goku level but was most likely way higher probably as strong as Super Buu honestly
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Post by Axalon on Oct 17, 2020 17:29:14 GMT
I heard SS2 is ten times SS1 in DBM so assuming it took SS2 to surpass Gohan and a rage boost (I guess) she honestly might’ve been SS3 Goku level but was most likely way higher probably as strong as Super Buu honestly Oh so that's where the Oozaru multiplier went, SS2 ran up and stole it like a thief in the night. Sneaky sneaky. |
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