"Vegeta's never been one to misread an opponent's strength"
Jan 4, 2021 21:24:47 GMT
Post by darrieloni on Jan 4, 2021 21:24:47 GMT
Welcome to an overly long rant caused by a single panel of the Moro arc!
Let's be honest, there's no introduction needed. We all know what this is about, and what this thread is for: I'm about to compile every instance I can think of that proves Piccolo's line up there has got as much of a point as a perfectly round beach ball.
Part 1: Z
The Saiyan Saga
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- Vegeta felt Goku's attacks surpassing his own
Despite all of that, Vegeta was still somehow sure that his Galick Gun would be enough
We all know how this turned out.
Let's be honest, there's no introduction needed. We all know what this is about, and what this thread is for: I'm about to compile every instance I can think of that proves Piccolo's line up there has got as much of a point as a perfectly round beach ball.
Part 1: Z
The Saiyan Saga
Let's start with a few background facts to set this up:
- Vegeta could see the power levels during Raditz' fight
- Therefore, Vegeta knew Goku's power level went up when using the Kamehameha
- Vegeta could see the power levels during Raditz' fight
- Therefore, Vegeta knew Goku's power level went up when using the Kamehameha
- Vegeta felt Goku's attacks surpassing his own
Despite all of that, Vegeta was still somehow sure that his Galick Gun would be enough
We all know how this turned out.
The Freeza Saga
[/div][/div]Vegeta misjudged how much power Zarbon was hiding during their first fight, and got wrecked.
In the space of two pages, Vegeta the proceeds to make two significant mistakes again.
First he actually thinks he could defeat Nail, despite being able to sense power levels by this point. Reminder: Vegeta's PL during this was 30,000, while Nail's was 42,000
Second, he senses Gohan's power and immediatelly assumes it is Goku.
Some more background facts for this next one:
- Vegeta can sense energy at this point
- The Ginyu force was shocked that Goku could supress his own power, so all but Ginyu must always be at full power
- For all we know, Vegeta might know the Ginyu Force's exact power levels from his time under Freeza
- Vegeta knew the Ginyu Force dwarfs him in power, which is why he recruited Gohan and Krillin for help
Despite all that, he's still shocked when Burter is able to catch the DB he threw
Vegeta misjudges Freeza's strength and thinks he can beat him with the help of Gohan and Krillin
He has to put a lot of effort into being tied with 1st Form Freeza, causing his veins to bulge, and is left panting afterwards
And still he urges Freeza to transform. Again, we know how well that went.
He hatches his plan to get a Zenkai, and proceeds to once again misjuge Freeza, thinking he has become a Super Saiyan and can now win.
The Android+Cell Sagas
In the space of two pages, Vegeta the proceeds to make two significant mistakes again.
First he actually thinks he could defeat Nail, despite being able to sense power levels by this point. Reminder: Vegeta's PL during this was 30,000, while Nail's was 42,000
Second, he senses Gohan's power and immediatelly assumes it is Goku.
Some more background facts for this next one:
- Vegeta can sense energy at this point
- The Ginyu force was shocked that Goku could supress his own power, so all but Ginyu must always be at full power
- For all we know, Vegeta might know the Ginyu Force's exact power levels from his time under Freeza
- Vegeta knew the Ginyu Force dwarfs him in power, which is why he recruited Gohan and Krillin for help
Despite all that, he's still shocked when Burter is able to catch the DB he threw
Vegeta misjudges Freeza's strength and thinks he can beat him with the help of Gohan and Krillin
He has to put a lot of effort into being tied with 1st Form Freeza, causing his veins to bulge, and is left panting afterwards
And still he urges Freeza to transform. Again, we know how well that went.
He hatches his plan to get a Zenkai, and proceeds to once again misjuge Freeza, thinking he has become a Super Saiyan and can now win.
The Android+Cell Sagas
Despite it becoming increasingly obvious that #18 isn't taking their fight seriously and is merely toying with him, Vegeta just keeps on underestimating her until he gets his ass beat.
He underestimated Perfect Cell, which is probably one of the first instances of this that comes to mind for most people
For comparison, Krillin could tell that Trunks was hiding his power, despite not being hit by him. Hell, he even points out that Vegeta is bad at judging his opponents!
Vegeta eventually figures out that Cell is holding back, but is somehow still shocked when Cell speeds up, and his kick does nothing
Despite being able to sense their energy, feeling his one's punches, and seeing how easily they're handling the others, Vegeta is still surprised by the fact that he's struggling against a Cell Jr.
He underestimated Perfect Cell, which is probably one of the first instances of this that comes to mind for most people
For comparison, Krillin could tell that Trunks was hiding his power, despite not being hit by him. Hell, he even points out that Vegeta is bad at judging his opponents!
Vegeta eventually figures out that Cell is holding back, but is somehow still shocked when Cell speeds up, and his kick does nothing
Despite being able to sense their energy, feeling his one's punches, and seeing how easily they're handling the others, Vegeta is still surprised by the fact that he's struggling against a Cell Jr.
The Buu Saga
Vegeta initially underestimated Majin Buu
Although he actually realized later that Buu was too strong even before fighting him, and already went into that bout with the intent of sacrificing himself to kill Buu.
However he couldn't tell at all that Goku was hiding a whole transformation. Again, Krilin could tell when Trunks was doing this
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Despite being well aware that Super Buu even without anyone absorbed was still far stronger than SSJ3 Goku, Vegeta's dumb ass still crushed the Potara after they unfused inside Buu
He then thought they could easily take on Kid Buu
Aaaand that's the end of Part 1, folks!
I will make a Part 2 for Super's manga continuity (since, y'know, the line at the very top of this thread is from the manga version) as a comment later/tomorrow.
Right now, I need to go eat dinner. Let's hope I don't misjudge my food's strength like Vegeta probably would.
Although he actually realized later that Buu was too strong even before fighting him, and already went into that bout with the intent of sacrificing himself to kill Buu.
However he couldn't tell at all that Goku was hiding a whole transformation. Again, Krilin could tell when Trunks was doing this
Despite being well aware that Super Buu even without anyone absorbed was still far stronger than SSJ3 Goku, Vegeta's dumb ass still crushed the Potara after they unfused inside Buu
He then thought they could easily take on Kid Buu
Aaaand that's the end of Part 1, folks!
I will make a Part 2 for Super's manga continuity (since, y'know, the line at the very top of this thread is from the manga version) as a comment later/tomorrow.
Right now, I need to go eat dinner. Let's hope I don't misjudge my food's strength like Vegeta probably would.