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Post by obi1wajz on Jan 18, 2021 18:28:25 GMT
What do you think the story would go like if Goku and Gohan fused?
Obviously Gokuhan(or Goharotto or Gohito?) would demolish Buutenks, what about afterwards?
Would Gokuhan be with Chi Chi, Videl or would he be single?
If he were to be with Videl would Pan exist?
If Pan exists would she have attitude problems like Bra?
If Gokuhan exists would he have attitude problems like Vegito?
Would Gokuhan travel the universe like Vegito?
Would he continue training and how much effect would it have, considering Gohan had his potential unlocked?
Could he even transform into a super saiyan and how much effect would it have?
How strong would Gokuhan and Pan be in relation with Vegito and Bra?
What would happen to Vegeta?
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Post by Gogeta on Jan 28, 2021 5:16:32 GMT
In terms of mental stability I think Gokhan would be far more stable than Vegito is. IIRC Salagir stated a reason Vegito can be so off the rails at times is because Vegeta was still considered "evil" at the time of fusion with both Goku and Vegeta's full blooded Saiyan legacy further amplifying that imbalance. Whereas in comparison both Goku and Gohan are of pure heart and Gohan has his human blood tempering his passions.
I don't think a Gokhan would get with Chichi. She's half his mom. It'd be weird. Maybe with Videl later on but IDK he may just stay solo. Hypothetically if Pan were to exist I think she'd be a much well behaved kid than U16 Bra as she'd have a much kinder, stable and patient father figure.
Regarding power, I doubt he'd be able to transform or get stronger and instead would just be in his Mystic state. And in terms of power he'd dwarf Vegito. Mystic Gohan vs. SSJ2 as a fusion base not to mention being Mystic means no ki drain from his strongest form in comparison to Vegito's gluttonous SSJ3. He'd still train though just because.
Regarding Vegeta, I think he'd stay dead. Gokhan should stomp Buu which would deny Vegeta the opportunity to come to his self-realization (which occured watching Goku vs. Kid Buu) which I think is the moment he wasn't considered of an "evil" heart anymore and the wish to bring everyone back only consisted of those without an evil heart. Of course they could just use another wish to bring Vegeta back.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 28, 2021 20:21:35 GMT
If this fusion showed up for the tournament I could see Vegetto letting his Vegeta show and be jealous of this guy. Essentially it would be a more ideal fusion taking the same role Vegetto did in Universe 16 only he is more mentally stable, attentive, and a better parent than Vegetto. If Goku/Gohan fusion had a Pan it would be even worse because it would likely show well adjusted that Pan would be who is likely to be as insanely strong as Son Bra. He would be much stronger than Vegetto without needing SS3 since he has the Mystic power up. That would mean unlike Vegetto that he could use his full power for a much longer time.
As the tournament continued the jealousy would become more and more apparent in Vegetto as he would be confront with a being who is far more powerful than him and is seemingly better at him in domestic affairs with the family. With Gohan to mellow the fusion out I doubt Goku/Gohan would be as stir crazy for a challenge as Vegetto is and would be the voice of reason any time a situation occurred. U4 Buu being the troll he is would likely stoke the flames trying to make Vegetto more jealous and irrational. If Vegetto got out of line Goku/Gohan fusion would likely have to keep him in line.
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Post by Solus on Feb 2, 2021 16:28:04 GMT
I couldn't imagine this fusion in the tournament, because he would undermine anything Vegetto stands for. Gokhan would want to participate, I guess, since the Goku in him seeks for challenge. However, he wouldn't be as salty, when he loses. But the only people he could lose to were Buu and XXI. That in itself is no problem, but he'd have to replace Vegetto. That would mean no Bra at all, because Gohan actually proved to be a good father, which leads to Pan not being as bad at being human as U16 Bra. If both Vegetto and Gokhan were in the tournament, Vegetto wouldn't be any threat at all, since there is always a better version there to stop him. Gokhan is stronger and has supposedly no mental flaws. The only reason why Vegetto could be a potential thread to anyone is because we think that either Buu will not be there to stop him (because he is somehow incapacitated by XXI) or that Buu just doesn't want to, like he didn't stop the rebellion. We know that Vegetto can't defeat Buu. But with Gokhan there, what would Vegetto do? It might have been interesting to see how he would react to someone undoubtably stronger than him, but that's it. Vegetto would lose all meaning in the story.
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Post by squirz96 on Feb 8, 2021 16:56:10 GMT
Definitely not Chi Chi cause Chi Chi would be considered mom? At least half mom. For both of them it would be clear that no, just no. About Videl, you should read novelization it delves into reasons why Vegetto choose Bulma instead of Chi Chi. But Videl is more likely to be Gokuhan's lover.
Perhaps, well Bra exists in both universes. She of course would be much more powerful than her counterpart. Interesting thing is that if we would consider Gokuhan's DNA to be 50/50 Goku and Gohan, that version of Pan would be considered "granddaughter" of both. If you look at DNA percentage. Which you share ~25% with your grandparent.
Who knows? If we follow logic that saiyans with unusal amount of power have hard controlling it, we can expect that Pan to be more like Bra rather than her U16/U18 counterpart.
Vegito = Goku + Vegeta. Both come from the same species, both are eager to fight strong opponents. With Gokuhan only Goku is fighting maniac and Gohan fights only when necessary. Also Gokuhan is fusion of father and son while Vegito is fusion of two rivals. It is plausible that he would have but different from his Vegito counterpart.
Most likely, well Vegito works for Kai's. Gohan has far greater inclination to help those who are less fortunate than him compared to Vegeta.
Again. One loves to fight, another does when it's only necessary.
Gohan's Mystic form in this comic is his final form. I consider it to be more powerful than SSJ3 and also it uses much less stamina. I don't think Gohan lost his ability to go SSJ, it is just that his Mystic form is much more effective.
Gokuhan would be actually weaker in relation to Vegito. One of the reasons Vegito is so powerful of a fusion is because Goku and Vegeta are rivals and it gives power boost.
Pan&Bra. Pan would have weaker father but stronger mother. It depends how Videl's behavior would change and how strong she would be compared to her counterparts at the moment of conception. In case of same power I give 6-7/10 inclination to Bra.
Nothing much to be honest.
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Post by obi1wajz on Feb 8, 2021 18:06:11 GMT
I think Gokuhan would be way stronger than Vegetto, at least starting off.
Gohan was ridicoulusly stronger than Goku and Vegeta, hell he might've been around base Vegetto if not above him in the manga.
Super Saiyan 2 Goku was around Majin Vegeta and Vegeta couldn't scratch Buu, but Goku as a SSJ3 was stronger than Fat Buu but chose not to beat him.
SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu > Majin Vegeta ~ SSJ2 Goku
Gotenks could beat Buu according to Goku, but he didn't use SSJ so he lost(even so surviving is a feat)
SSJ Gotenks > Fat Buu > Gotenks
Afterwards Piccolo sensing Gotenks's ki after training says that he will definetly win now.
Gotenks(post HTC) > Fat Buu
Afterwards SSJ3 Gotenks is around Super Buu, Gohan destroys Super Buu and Buutenks is above Gohan.
Buutenks > Gohan > Super Buu ~ SSJ3 Gotenks
Then Buutenks defuses and Goku says Gohan can take out Buuccolo, Buu absorbs Gohan and Vegeta fuses with Goku into Vegetto who imedeatly turns SSJ indicating Buuhan can take him out while he's in base.
Majin Vegeta - 10
SSJ2 Goku - 10
SSJ3 Goku - 40
Fat Buu - 32
Gotenks - 0.7
SSJ - 35
HTC - 35
SSJ3 - 14 000
Super Buu - 14 000
Buccolo - 14 002
Buutenks - 28 001
Buuhan - 29 001
Gohan - 15 000
Vegetto - 15 000
SSJ - 750 000
With Gohan alredy being in Vegetto levels i highly doubt Gokuhan would be weaker than SSJ Vegetto, maybe just maybe if by the start of multiverse if Gohan spends half of his time studying and half training, then Vegetto as a SSJ3 would be above him.
Multiverse adapted scale:
Majin Vegeta - 10
SSJ2 Goku - 10
SSJ3 Goku - 40
Fat Buu - 32
Gotenks - 0.7
SSJ - 35
HTC - 35
SSJ3 - 70 000
Super Buu - 70 000
Buccolo - 70 002
Buutenks - 140 001
Buuhan - 150 001
Gohan - 80 000
Vegetto - 80 000
SSJ - 4 000 000
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Post by 1989Bergling on Feb 8, 2021 18:19:59 GMT
In fact, if in DBM, Gokuhan would be much stronger than Vegetto. Salagir said if 2 Gohan using Potara at the same time would be much, much stronger than Vegetto, but he revealed that after 20 years in DBM, it would be different, and it can be said that Vegetto stronger than Gohan² now.
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Post by obi1wajz on Feb 8, 2021 18:55:43 GMT
In fact, if in DBM, Gokuhan would be much stronger than Vegetto. Salagir said if 2 Gohan using Potara at the same time would be much, much stronger than Vegetto, but he revealed that after 20 years in DBM, it would be different, and it can be said that Vegetto stronger than Gohan² now. Can you elaborate? |
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Post by 1989Bergling on Feb 8, 2021 19:41:00 GMT
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what specific aspect you're asking about, So I'll copy what Salagir said when he wrote back: > Do you think The dharma fusion and Potara Gattai have the same power > increase? I find it simpler to consider that yes. > (Toriyama's comic mentioned that Vegetto's power is so strong is > because Goku and Vegeta are both rivals and friends, and are the > strongest people in Yin and Yang,I don't know if have considered this > in DBM.) I don't know. In the french version of this sentence (said by old kaioshin) we can also take it this way : "they were rivals, thus trained a lot, thus are strong people, hut the result is very strong". > Prior to this, some readers thought that if two Gohan used Potara > together, They will be able to knock down SSJ3Vegetto with ease. > I'd like to see your thoughts, Thanks.^_^ Some said that fusion of two identical beings would create... nothing new. I won't do that. Just like dance and potara, i don't want to have tons of different kinds of fusion. Makes things too complicated. At the end of DBZ, I consider Gohan stronger than Goku and much stronger than Vegeta. So yes, this Gohan² would be much much stronger thatnVegetto. Now, in DBM 20 years later, it's different. |
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Post by Dismaned on May 11, 2021 1:59:10 GMT
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what specific aspect you're asking about, So I'll copy what Salagir said when he wrote back: > Do you think The dharma fusion and Potara Gattai have the same power > increase? I find it simpler to consider that yes. > (Toriyama's comic mentioned that Vegetto's power is so strong is > because Goku and Vegeta are both rivals and friends, and are the > strongest people in Yin and Yang,I don't know if have considered this > in DBM.) I don't know. In the french version of this sentence (said by old kaioshin) we can also take it this way : "they were rivals, thus trained a lot, thus are strong people, hut the result is very strong". > Prior to this, some readers thought that if two Gohan used Potara > together, They will be able to knock down SSJ3Vegetto with ease. > I'd like to see your thoughts, Thanks.^_^ Some said that fusion of two identical beings would create... nothing new. I won't do that. Just like dance and potara, i don't want to have tons of different kinds of fusion. Makes things too complicated. At the end of DBZ, I consider Gohan stronger than Goku and much stronger than Vegeta. So yes, this Gohan² would be much much stronger thatnVegetto. Now, in DBM 20 years later, it's different. With enough training Vegito could catch up. it took vegeta around 7 years to be where gohan was during the Cell games i bet Vegito could basically do the same if Gokhan ignored his training but with goku in him i doubt it. They would be close but gokhan would have more potential all he would need is a simple rage boost and Vegito can't compete |
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Post by godjacob on May 12, 2021 19:04:09 GMT
Well, I would hope that Pan doesn't exist in this hypothetical universe, for obvious reasons...
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Post by obi1wajz on May 13, 2021 6:15:56 GMT
Well, I would hope that Pan doesn't exist in this hypothetical universe, for obvious reasons... Which ones? The possibility of her being like Bra or it being weird that a part of Goku ends up with Videl. |
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Post by godjacob on May 13, 2021 16:00:18 GMT
Well, I would hope that Pan doesn't exist in this hypothetical universe, for obvious reasons... Which ones? The possibility of her being like Bra or it being weird that a part of Goku ends up with Videl. Having Chi-Chi or Videl end up with a hybrid husband who has traits of the father and his son would be well...less just say a touch more awkward than two unrelated "friends" in Goku/Vegeta. |
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Post by dbmaccount on May 13, 2021 17:46:54 GMT
Stepmother what are you doing?!
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Post by Dismaned on May 17, 2021 14:18:52 GMT
after some thought i think gokhan would honeslty change looking at how he's the strongest on the planet besides vegeta and that he can't afford to stop training for what if a new enemy comes? yeah vegeta will be there but what if its too much for him? can he really afford not to train?
with the goku inside him and the gohan he would most likely train to defend the ones he loves because lets be honest goku trained for the love of martial arts and to protect his family as well as the earth. also ALSO we get a Uub in this new universe. I bet Gokhan would still ask for this and gokhan would train him, a form of passing the torch if you will.
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