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Post by drewsaga on Dec 23, 2021 1:44:53 GMT
Although I really don't care much or like U16 Bra at all I do find it interesting as to whether it's possible for her power to surpass Vegetto's in the same way Gohan's power surpasses Goku's. Half-Saiyans have more raw power than regular Saiyans so should a Half-Fused-Saiyan have more potential than a Fused Saiyan?
So Vegetto is the strongest character in DBM currently, even Zen Buu can't beat him in raw power and brute strength (though Buu could definitely beat Vegetto without much difficulty if his magic is really as good as it seems). Only Broly of U20 could compete with it. Bra on the other hand is no more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks who is likely weaker than Zen Buu much less Vegetto and Broly.
SSJ3 Vegetto > LSSJ Broly (end of fight against Vegeto) > Zen Buu >= SSJ3 Gotenks > SSJ2 Bra >> Cell (Full Power) == Mystic Gohan > SSJ3 U18 Goku == SSJ3 U18 Vegeta.
So there are several factors that can make one wonder if such a power is possible. The biggest problem is food. Vegetto consumes an insane amount of food that goes well beyond even what Goku and Vegeta consume. Vegetto needs Senzu Beans just to stay alive (he's in trouble now in DBM). If Bra were to somehow receive a power boost that lets her match or surpass SSJ3 Vegettto would she need to eat as much or even more? If so, then she won't be able to survive without magic beans neither. I guess too much power can be a curse and Bra might not be able to become that powerful for that reason, she also needs more than one Senzu Bean as it is to heal.
The other challenge is the fact that Bra is at least an entire tier of strength below her dad if not more. Can Bra surpass such a huge gap? That's like if U18 Vegeta could match U13 Vegeta's power as a SSJ3 with only SSJ2 (like the novel implied). That's a tough gap to cross but maybe she can do that. Or maybe she manages to unlock the same kind of transformation that Goku and Vegeta might have that's beyond SSJ3 or she straight up gets a Mystic powerup at some point (unlikely). Thereby unlocking a superior powerup that she surpasses her dad.
It wouldn't make much sense for her to surpass Vegetto in DBM if she just got used to SSJ2 finally but I am talking eventually, with a lot of training and hopefully more discipline. There seems to be a possibility that Bra could achieve SSJ3 in DBM (Vegetto and Gast kind of implied it vaguely, though I think it's BS if she does when before she struggled with SSJ2, at least U13 Vegeta was good at using SSJ2 already before getting SSJ3).
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Post by godjacob on Dec 23, 2021 2:00:15 GMT
I think it is entirely established in DBM that Bra has the potential to usurp her father as strongest in her universe. Vegito quite potently asks "what happens if she gets 3?" implying if she gets that level of power she might be more than even he can contain. She's essencially Gohan on steroids to Vegito's Goku. And unlike Gohan, there is no question Bra has a passion for fighting and that desire to improve.
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Post by EvilXoda on Dec 23, 2021 15:14:50 GMT
I think Vegetto's concern for her was a combo of him aging past his prime and Bra coming into her prime. I doubt she will surpass him in the tournament or anything like that. But that said, Vegetto does show some concerns. Brayu implied that them in SSJ2 were closer in powerlevels, though Vegetto doesn't really confirm or deny this. He is also concerned about her achieving SSJ3, but I think that's just because it would cause more problems and hassle than whether he could beat her or not, at this point. It may give him a mid difficulty fight, but she might cause so much destruction in the meantime before he can stop her. (though SSJ3 only last a few seconds for them, but whatever.)
I couldn't see her surpassing him before then unless like, Goku or Vegeta taught her their special secret SSJ forms (which of course they wouldn't, it's the only unique thing they have going for themselves in this tourney while Bra and Vegetto keep farting out new technqiues, but I do think when they go back home after everything is finished, they will likely start training to figure out that new form.)
As an aside, I'm not a fan of them needing sensu beans to live thing. Causes unnecessary problems IMO. I guess he wanted that level of power to come with flaws.
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Post by maximusthered2431 on Dec 23, 2021 16:41:07 GMT
Something iv been thinking about too. Historical SSJ2 seems to cause major personality changes. Well in Gohans case.
Will SSJ3 actually make Bra go berserk? It might actually be a good ending to her story if during post tournament events she achieves SSJ3 and controls it. Proving she's changed from the Majin events and that Vegetto has nothing to worry about anymore.
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Post by drewsaga on Dec 25, 2021 15:29:40 GMT
Something iv been thinking about too. Historical SSJ2 seems to cause major personality changes. Well in Gohans case. Will SSJ3 actually make Bra go berserk? It might actually be a good ending to her story if during post tournament events she achieves SSJ3 and controls it. Proving she's changed from the Majin events and that Vegetto has nothing to worry about anymore. I think it'd be funny that Bra going SSJ3 means her going berserk would only last seconds because of SSJ3's flaws. But who knows, maybe she does better in controlling it. I am not sure SSJ3 is inherently more "savage" than SSJ2 (more powerful obviously but savage?). |
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Post by Dismaned on Dec 25, 2021 17:57:21 GMT
Something iv been thinking about too. Historical SSJ2 seems to cause major personality changes. Well in Gohans case. Will SSJ3 actually make Bra go berserk? It might actually be a good ending to her story if during post tournament events she achieves SSJ3 and controls it. Proving she's changed from the Majin events and that Vegetto has nothing to worry about anymore. Though her (Mary Sue) Super Fusion Daughter Powers she can now master SSJ3  |
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Post by godjacob on Dec 25, 2021 23:14:11 GMT
Something iv been thinking about too. Historical SSJ2 seems to cause major personality changes. Well in Gohans case. Will SSJ3 actually make Bra go berserk? It might actually be a good ending to her story if during post tournament events she achieves SSJ3 and controls it. Proving she's changed from the Majin events and that Vegetto has nothing to worry about anymore. Are we seriously going with "SSj2 made Gohan cocky"? Gohan just had a bit of a power trip, it is no different than the shades of arrogance Vegeta shows whenever he gets the power advantage on someone. Hell Gohan does the same thing against Buu after his Mystic Ritual. |
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Dec 26, 2021 0:10:25 GMT
I still don’t think she could ever actually surpass an actual op fusion like Vegetto.
Thinking more so what he’s worried about is when he eventually ages and gets old or dies and isn’t around to keep her in check if she goes crazy later.
Bra is a stud no doubt, being a half fusion in a way so to speak and I doubt any normal non fusion character could surpass her and rise higher than what she may be capable of. But unless DBM outright states that she can get more powerful than Vegetto. I don’t see anything that her SSJ2 form pulled during the Majin rebellion being above someone like say Buuhan couldn’t have done as she was clearly injured when the much weaker fighters actually landed a full powered blast on her. I think theoretically that Buuhan could have done the same to the Gohans and Cell in this same sort of fight and we all saw how well Buuhan faired against a fresh SSJ1 Vegetto back in the Buu saga.
Its just such a far cry from SSJ1 Vegettos power level, think she just gets a lot of fan service because she’s pretty. For example I don’t think Vegetto actually needed to go SSJ3 to put her down other than it being for fan service as I said. Initially it came off from earlier DBM dialogue that SSJ1 Vegetto should be able to handle her easily but I could be wrong now as it seems some things may have been retconned sense Piccolo previously stated Vegetto never needed to go past level one ever during the Vegetto/Broly fight so I may be way off base.
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Post by maximusthered2431 on Dec 26, 2021 17:53:49 GMT
Something iv been thinking about too. Historical SSJ2 seems to cause major personality changes. Well in Gohans case. Will SSJ3 actually make Bra go berserk? It might actually be a good ending to her story if during post tournament events she achieves SSJ3 and controls it. Proving she's changed from the Majin events and that Vegetto has nothing to worry about anymore. Are we seriously going with "SSj2 made Gohan cocky"? Gohan just had a bit of a power trip, it is no different than the shades of arrogance Vegeta shows whenever he gets the power advantage on someone. Hell Gohan does the same thing against Buu after his Mystic Ritual. Agreed but SSJ2 Gohan looked straight up terrifying. Mystic was just cocky. Also I'd prefer this to a third go of "Bra went SSJ3 and she went insane again.." Although I guess it would be funny because I love the idea of it lasting a few seconds only 🤣 |
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Post by Son Pan on Dec 26, 2021 20:02:03 GMT
Maybe. Bra is still a teenager. I wouldn’t be surprised if when she reaches adulthood if her power increases by a substantial amount and the gap between daughter and father will shrink more. It is probably in the realm of possibility for Bra to catch up to and surpass Vegetto.
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Post by Skarr on Dec 27, 2021 14:07:19 GMT
I think Vegetto's concern for her was a combo of him aging past his prime and Bra coming into her prime. That's what I think as well. Vegetto is in 60's so he might only have a decade or two left in his prime. FPSSJ Gohan was stronger than Goku's while Bra was trained by Vegetto most of her life by but still far weaker than him in the same form. Bra gaining some power by the time Vegetto is past his prime seems more likely to happen than her surpassing him now. |
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Post by drewsaga on Dec 27, 2021 14:07:41 GMT
Something iv been thinking about too. Historical SSJ2 seems to cause major personality changes. Well in Gohans case. Will SSJ3 actually make Bra go berserk? It might actually be a good ending to her story if during post tournament events she achieves SSJ3 and controls it. Proving she's changed from the Majin events and that Vegetto has nothing to worry about anymore. Are we seriously going with "SSj2 made Gohan cocky"? Gohan just had a bit of a power trip, it is no different than the shades of arrogance Vegeta shows whenever he gets the power advantage on someone. Hell Gohan does the same thing against Buu after his Mystic Ritual. It did but it also made Gohan more savage. That's why Bra, who was already not good went crazy and destroyed a planet and star system. |
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Post by godjacob on Dec 27, 2021 18:52:00 GMT
Are we seriously going with "SSj2 made Gohan cocky"? Gohan just had a bit of a power trip, it is no different than the shades of arrogance Vegeta shows whenever he gets the power advantage on someone. Hell Gohan does the same thing against Buu after his Mystic Ritual. It did but it also made Gohan more savage. That's why Bra, who was already not good went crazy and destroyed a planet and star system. Vegeta took a gleeful opportunity to torture and humiliate Android 19, the sole purpose of which was to prove he could make an Android feel fear and ripped his goddamn arms off before blasting him to pieces. Goku wanted to make Frieza absolutely suffer, fighting to crush his spirit on top of just beating him and was even willing to leave him to slowly bleed to death before Frieza begged for mercy. Gohan, each time his hidden power let itself out before Cell, had a more aggressive fighting style. He had no issue murdering Frieza's soldiers on Namek or trying to brutalize the likes of Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Frieza etc. Power fuels the fighters emotions, it didn't cause them to go crazy or "become savage." These guys are not goddamn Z Broly lol |
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Post by oung on Dec 29, 2021 12:47:39 GMT
I think it is entirely established in DBM that Bra has the potential to usurp her father as strongest in her universe. Vegito quite potently asks "what happens if she gets 3?" implying if she gets that level of power she might be more than even he can contain. She's essencially Gohan on steroids to Vegito's Goku. And unlike Gohan, there is no question Bra has a passion for fighting and that desire to improve. Who cares about 3 lmao. Vegito SS1 is stronger than Bra's SS2. Actually he could handle her SS1 in his base form. He should be able to oneshot her SS3 using only his SS2. But everything about this scaling is probably gonna get soft retconned or something. The only reason Vegito should fear Bra is if he grows too old to fight. Otherwise he's strong enough to handle SS3 or even SS4 Bra lol. |
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Post by godjacob on Dec 29, 2021 17:58:36 GMT
I think it is entirely established in DBM that Bra has the potential to usurp her father as strongest in her universe. Vegito quite potently asks "what happens if she gets 3?" implying if she gets that level of power she might be more than even he can contain. She's essencially Gohan on steroids to Vegito's Goku. And unlike Gohan, there is no question Bra has a passion for fighting and that desire to improve. Who cares about 3 lmao. Vegito SS1 is stronger than Bra's SS2. Actually he could handle her SS1 in his base form. He should be able to oneshot her SS3 using only his SS2. But everything about this scaling is probably gonna get soft retconned or something. The only reason Vegito should fear Bra is if he grows too old to fight. Otherwise he's strong enough to handle SS3 or even SS4 Bra lol. I mean, clearly Vegito and the story itself does. That's why he said anything at all lol |
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Post by supergojita3 on Jan 4, 2022 1:51:15 GMT
Are we seriously going with "SSj2 made Gohan cocky"? Gohan just had a bit of a power trip, it is no different than the shades of arrogance Vegeta shows whenever he gets the power advantage on someone. Hell Gohan does the same thing against Buu after his Mystic Ritual. Agreed but SSJ2 Gohan looked straight up terrifying. Mystic was just cocky. Also I'd prefer this to a third go of "Bra went SSJ3 and she went insane again.." Although I guess it would be funny because I love the idea of it lasting a few seconds only 🤣 agreed. mystic gohan was cocky, but ssj2 gohan wanted to torture cell, and drag out his suffering. gohan killed soldiers working for freeza, but he didn't torture them or drag out their suffering. he did what was needed without any additional sadism. well, outside of rage boosts I guess. or maybe I'm recalling the dbz abridged gohan. |
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 16, 2022 3:45:02 GMT
It did but it also made Gohan more savage. That's why Bra, who was already not good went crazy and destroyed a planet and star system. Vegeta took a gleeful opportunity to torture and humiliate Android 19, the sole purpose of which was to prove he could make an Android feel fear and ripped his goddamn arms off before blasting him to pieces. Goku wanted to make Frieza absolutely suffer, fighting to crush his spirit on top of just beating him and was even willing to leave him to slowly bleed to death before Frieza begged for mercy. Gohan, each time his hidden power let itself out before Cell, had a more aggressive fighting style. He had no issue murdering Frieza's soldiers on Namek or trying to brutalize the likes of Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Frieza etc. Power fuels the fighters emotions, it didn't cause them to go crazy or "become savage." These guys are not goddamn Z Broly lol Vegeta was legit an evil guy though and still was even then. Of course he takes pleasure in hurting the weak, that's just who Vegeta used to be, I would compare that to Majin Bra's behavior more than anything.
Goku wanted to make Frieza suffer to understand the wrongs he has committed, given what Frieza has done, he totally had it coming, the guy was as bad as Vegeta if not worse and I already mentioned Vegeta was pretty evil.
Also, like I said, Bra was already not good as a person. Goku and Gohan are, big difference. Goku and Gohan went from being mostly good to savage. Bra went from being bratty to serial killer mode. And Vegeta was a savage even when he was under control because he was legit evil more so than Bra ever was.
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