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Post by drewsaga on Jan 5, 2022 3:31:18 GMT
Thought I do some DBM what ifs for the community to speculate on some what if scenarios, including scenarios I would have liked to see, if nothing else but for fan service.
But there was one thing I really wanted to see but we never got it. What if both Piccolos did fusion during the Majin Crisis? How would this have tipped the scales of the battle? Being a Piccolo fan I am bummed that such an opportunity for Piccolo to at least show off was wasted. After all, what good is a fused Piccolo gonna be against Vegetto or XXI (the only two known threats left in the future)? There are many scenarios but we know that the Piccolos actually know two fusion techniques.
1) The Namekian merger technique (when each Piccolo merged with Nail and Kami back in their universe or what created Gast through a chain of merges). 2) The Fusion Dance (Goku taught it to Piccolo so Piccolo could then teach it to Goten and Trunks, Piccolo definitely knows it especially since he seen that it's far too beneficial of a technique to forget even if it does look goofy, funny enough couldn't have Goku and Piccolo fused and beat Majin Buu themselves?).
There is also Dai Kaio and other Kaioshin they could have spared for Piccolo as well as a third option. Though I think the other two methods would be more in line with what Piccolo would do.
I think a fused Piccolo would at minimum have been powerful enough to give even Cell serious trouble (heck, if SSJ3 Vegeta could beat Cell why not a merged Piccolo?), even more trouble than Gohan gave him since he would be less rusty than Gohan is. And as for Majin Bra, a four way battle where Piccolo can also regenerate might have tipped the scale of the battle in their favor more I think. Heck, maybe merged Piccolo could have given a Majin SSJ2 Bra some serious trouble (not likely though but possible) on his own. I suppose one would ask how powerful would both Piccolos be if they fused? SSJ3-Tier? Mystic-Tier? SSJ1-Vegetto-Tier? Like I said makes me wonder why they didn't bother doing that against Bra. Both Gohans could coordinate and Both Piccolos could coordinate so why couldn't both Piccolos realize this? Plus killing Babidi would have been easier since a fused Piccolo would be able to piece the shield Bra created while the two Piccolos separate could not. One extra powerful fighter who can also regenerate along with both Gohans and Cell, plus the Heliotes, tiny Cell Jrs and Buu would give Bra more trouble.
Plus Piccolo would have been adaptable enough to play bean boy (Bra was stealing most of those beans anyways) while fighting were he fused. Like I said it was a great opportunity missed, I guess U16 Bra just had to win that battle just so she can scream "I am not passive!" or some stupid crap. Instead of Bra actually losing or Babidi getting killed before getting sent back to U11.
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Post by godjacob on Jan 7, 2022 4:03:41 GMT
Add this to the list of cool Piccolo things we could've gotten in DBM. Would it have made a difference against Majin Bra? Probably not, but it would've been nice to see and made for a nice moment of unity between the two sister universes.
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Post by Skarr on Jan 8, 2022 14:00:04 GMT
In one of the visions, a Piccolo was talking to U18 Vegeta and U16 Bra and said "only his will keeps them alive" or something like that. I'm not sure what that was about but they might fuse if it's one Piccolo talking to both universes.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 8, 2022 17:56:03 GMT
Add this to the list of cool Piccolo things we could've gotten in DBM. Would it have made a difference against Majin Bra? Probably not, but it would've been nice to see and made for a nice moment of unity between the two sister universes. We could have even gotten Piccolo wearing the same outfit Gotenks and Gogeta wears as well, that would have looked cool.
I think it would have made a difference though in that Babidi probably would have gotten killed by the Merged Piccolo as his power level would have been high enough to pierce the barrier Majin Bra created (or Cell and one of the Gohans if he keeps Babidi preoccupied, but Cell is a jobber and an ass so probably not, the guy couldn't even beat Vegeta). At the very least she would have struggled more and she couldn't swipe the Senzus from the Piccolos if Piccolo is strong enough to resist her. The Piccolos unfused might as well been flys buzzing around Bra the way they were.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 8, 2022 17:59:38 GMT
In one of the visions, a Piccolo was talking to U18 Vegeta and U16 Bra and said "only his will keeps them alive" or something like that. I'm not sure what that was about but they might fuse if it's one Piccolo talking to both universes. True but a fused Piccolo is irrelevant against someone like Vegetto (maybe it's about XXI? I am not sure how fusing is gonna help them against XXI). We are talking a fusion of two FPSSJ-level characters against a SSJ2-level and SSJ3-level character (Goku and Vegeta). If Gast and Zen Buu aren't in the picture and XXI don't give a fuck then the only shot at Vegetto is if Goku and Vegeta did fusion instead of the Piccolos. SSJ2 Vegetto could still one-shot a merged Piccolo, I seriously doubt a Majin SSJ2 Bra could do the same. |
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Post by Happi on Jan 10, 2022 20:09:18 GMT
Mary Sue acknowledges this and destroys Piccolo^ out of jealously because he's fused with their double from an alternate universe while she's fused with herself from the future. Although she did this for the greater good too and wasn't just a selfish choice, as it turns out the promise she made (pg 285) was to protect fusion saiyan offspring hybrids from Namekians that had evil intentions atleast once in their life! I feel bad for Piccolo, he never stood a chance to be relevant.
Just to be clear, a fused Piccolo would definitely be the strongest person in the Majin Rebellion save for U16 Bra imo (atleast stronger than Cell or Super Vegetto tier). However, this would make Bra want to teleport Babiddi away to a discreet location even sooner (way before the Heliots come to the scene) do to 4 candidates capable of destroying the barrier (2 of which can hold off Bra on a 1v1, unlike the Gohans), which makes the option of taking out the weakest link next to impossible.
Yes, we could assume Piccolo^ does go for a SBC to snipe Babiddi at the start but Son Bra has the plot armor of appearing at the last moment every time the wrinkled potato was about to die (U18 Gohan, Cell, Heliots...) so their efforts would be just as ineffective.
I could see the reincarnated demon king giving the daughter of Vegetto a good mouthful of difficulty/annoyance if he were either a fighter or support, but she has senzu beans to help swallow it down easily and the majin spell makes her very persistent to die.
The Piccolos do have some good attacks and are a great fighter in their own right, could damage Bra by outsmarting the brat or hold her for a Heliot to slice/carbonite the two (callback to Goku holding Raditz) but unfortunately, the hybrid has teleportation, ki constructs (barrier included) and a improved afterimage technique-- all of which unlike the namekian, does not have a counter to prevent her from avoiding damage. She also has a strange varying degree of observance that comes into account when it matters.
So no, I don't believe that if the Piccolos fused would overall change the situation for the better, nor worst. Definitely more difficult for the traumatized heroine if she makes too many incorrect moves as she plays but she can just as easily take out the fodder like Buu, the Gohans (w/ Mini Cells) and Heliots before her supply of senzu are depleted.
Hope this answer helps.
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 11, 2022 16:51:19 GMT
Mary Sue acknowledges this and destroys Piccolo^ out of jealously because he's fused with their double from an alternate universe while she's fused with herself from the future. Although she did this for the greater good too and wasn't just a selfish choice, as it turns out the promise she made (pg 285) was to protect fusion saiyan offspring hybrids from Namekians that had evil intentions atleast once in their life! I feel bad for Piccolo, he never stood a chance to be relevant. Just to be clear, a fused Piccolo would definitely be the strongest person in the Majin Rebellion save for U16 Bra imo (atleast stronger than Cell or Super Vegetto tier). However, this would make Bra want to teleport Babiddi away to a discreet location even sooner (way before the Heliots come to the scene) do to 4 candidates capable of destroying the barrier (2 of which can hold off Bra on a 1v1, unlike the Gohans), which makes the option of taking out the weakest link next to impossible. Yes, we could assume Piccolo^ does go for a SBC to snipe Babiddi at the start but Son Bra has the plot armor of appearing at the last moment every time the wrinkled potato was about to die (U18 Gohan, Cell, Heliots...) so their efforts would be just as ineffective. I could see the reincarnated demon king giving the daughter of Vegetto a good mouthful of difficulty/annoyance if he were either a fighter or support, but she has senzu beans to help swallow it down easily and the majin spell makes her very persistent to die. The Piccolos do have some good attacks and are a great fighter in their own right, could damage Bra by outsmarting the brat or hold her for a Heliot to slice/carbonite the two (callback to Goku holding Raditz) but unfortunately, the hybrid has teleportation, ki constructs (barrier included) and a improved afterimage technique-- all of which unlike the namekian, does not have a counter to prevent her from avoiding damage. She also has a strange varying degree of observance that comes into account when it matters. So no, I don't believe that if the Piccolos fused would overall change the situation for the better, nor worst. Definitely more difficult for the traumatized heroine if she makes too many incorrect moves as she plays but she can just as easily take out the fodder like Buu, the Gohans (w/ Mini Cells) and Heliots before her supply of senzu are depleted. Hope this answer helps. I doubt Piccolo would be stronger than SSJ Vegetto, maybe equal at best and very likely weaker (though also much stronger than Buuhan). Also Bra hadn't decided to teleport Babidi out of harm's way until after she found what she was up against so I can see two Piccolos totally blindsiding her and Babidi, though I suppose it's also possible that Bra kills the Piccolos before they can fuse as well if she were to see them do it.
As for the Special Beam Canon, Bra could not stop a Special Beam Canon from a fused Piccolo, you saw what it did when Cell used it against Bra and Cell is certainly weaker than Buuhan. She would have been caught off guard. I think Piccolo taking damage himself even fused would be a given because of Bra's tecniques and her power, even a fused Piccolo would struggle but I wasn't really talking 1v1. I was talking him teamed up with both Gohans and Cell as well as the Heliotes and Buu.
Yeah there is the plot armor, Bra has been a pretty bullshit character on that front. But even with that plot armor she clearly struggled and needed those Senzu Beans, if she couldn't steal any from Piccolo like she did and she was up against a Fused Piccolo instead then she would have certainly been in much more trouble.
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Post by Son Pan on Jan 12, 2022 0:41:44 GMT
I don't think it would have changed the outcome to be honest. I think if the Piccolos fused that Bra would sense the power increase and wouldn't risk taking the SBC or made her barrier stronger. Cell really only got that hit in because Bra was letting her Vegeta show and decided to take the hits from the much weaker Piccolo and got surprised when Cell mixed his in with her. If the Piccolos fused Bra might decide to stop playing around as much and get serious sooner, which spelled out doom for everyone once Cell's surprises were played and Bra got frustrated enough to take off the kid gloves.
Both Namekian Assimilation and the Fusion Dance have been absurdly powerful. It wouldn't be so fat fetched to me if either method Piccolo used let him reach near or maybe even exceed Mystic Gohan's level. Having one more powerful fighter could have made for a more entertaining battle overall. The Piccolos would get three or four moments to shine again.
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Post by Cataclysm on Jan 12, 2022 13:30:44 GMT
In one of the visions, a Piccolo was talking to U18 Vegeta and U16 Bra and said "only his will keeps them alive" or something like that. I'm not sure what that was about but they might fuse if it's one Piccolo talking to both universes. This, but I've always wondered if one or both of them end up fusing with Gast. I don't think fusing together would have made Piccolo relevant during the rebellion. A lot stronger though, like SSJ2-SSJ3 strong. |
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Post by drewsaga on Jan 13, 2022 0:56:55 GMT
In one of the visions, a Piccolo was talking to U18 Vegeta and U16 Bra and said "only his will keeps them alive" or something like that. I'm not sure what that was about but they might fuse if it's one Piccolo talking to both universes. This, but I've always wondered if one or both of them end up fusing with Gast. I don't think fusing together would have made Piccolo relevant during the rebellion. A lot stronger though, like SSJ2-SSJ3 strong. Depends on the fusion. Piccolo actually knows the fusion dance and he knows the merger. The merger wouldn't make him that much stronger I assume, probably still be weaker than Goku and Vegeta in their SSJ3 forms (though this fusion is permanent), but the fusion dance would easily put the Piccolos up at Mystic tier or between Buuhan and SSJ Vegetto, making them much more powerful than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Vegeta (U18 Vegeta that is, U13 Vegeta is much weaker). That much power could have possibly enough to swing the battle against Majin Bra. It would certainly allowed Piccolo to pick off everyone else with Cell being the only other strong enough Majin to put up a fight. |
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Post by Blaze on Jan 14, 2022 3:03:52 GMT
If they fused, they should do it after the Makankosappo fake out. Regarding their power if they fusion danced, both Piccolo's are stronger than SSJ Goten and Trunks as kids so they should be above SSJ Gotenks/SSJ3 Goku level. And obviously below Buu Arc SSJ Vegetto level. For plot purposes, I think it'd be best for them to have been around the strength of Gohan and Cell. But the most important part is making it harder for Bra to steal the senzu. Without that, I think their chances would go up dramatically even if fused Piccolo wasn't there.
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