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Post by powerscaler on Jul 19, 2022 11:03:40 GMT
Discovered the series some 8 years ago. While I love the concept and think its far superior to DBS and would have made a great anime - the powerscaling is atroucious and hampers my enjoyment of the series.
1. Broly - This guy has been wanked to preposterous levels
2. Zen Buu - Another ridiculous wank. He was helpless against SSJ Vegito. Even if he had absorbed 10 000 strong fighters across the universe he should have at best catched up with SSJ3 Vegito - 20 year ago. Current Vegito however is much much stronger than he was 20 years ago. Zen Buu should have been at best equal to current SSJ2 Vegito - but completely outclassed by SSJ3 Vegito.
3. Gast - Another bad wank. After fusing with 100 Namekians - he was at best Imperfect Cell Level. How did he get past Buuhan or Vegito? Also it was complete bs that he could just take away all of Vegitos power.
4. Son Bra - Probably the worst of them all. I get that she is supposed to be the daughter of Vegito. But even if she was stronger than Mystic Gohan as a SSJ2 and got a Power boost through Babidis control - she should have been at best SSJ 1 or 2 Vegito level - 20 years ago. Her SSJ 2 should have been at best/worse current SSJ 1 Vegito level.
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Post by drewsaga on Jul 20, 2022 18:06:36 GMT
Discovered the series some 8 years ago. While I love the concept and think its far superior to DBS and would have made a great anime - the powerscaling is atroucious and hampers my enjoyment of the series.
1. Broly - This guy has been wanked to preposterous levels
2. Zen Buu - Another ridiculous wank. He was helpless against SSJ Vegito. Even if he had absorbed 10 000 strong fighters across the universe he should have at best catched up with SSJ3 Vegito - 20 year ago. Current Vegito however is much much stronger than he was 20 years ago. Zen Buu should have been at best equal to current SSJ2 Vegito - but completely outclassed by SSJ3 Vegito.
3. Gast - Another bad wank. After fusing with 100 Namekians - he was at best Imperfect Cell Level. How did he get past Buuhan or Vegito? Also it was complete bs that he could just take away all of Vegitos power.
4. Son Bra - Probably the worst of them all. I get that she is supposed to be the daughter of Vegito. But even if she was stronger than Mystic Gohan as a SSJ2 and got a Power boost through Babidis control - she should have been at best SSJ 1 or 2 Vegito level - 20 years ago. Her SSJ 2 should have been at best/worse current SSJ 1 Vegito level.
I think you are misunderstanding DBM and what DBM is doing with techniques and magic abilities over-passing raw power (Disproving Vegetto's belief in his own strength). I agree with you on Broly though 100% but that's as far as I can agree with you on (though I am no fan of Bra neither), Broly having invincibility is bullshit.
Power scaling isn't really meant to be absolute and power isn't always a deciding factor to a fight. Even if it is most of the time in Dragon Ball. Gast's "power" lies from using magic, otherwise he is hardly even any more powerful than Goku and Vegeta if at all (at their SSJ3 forms that is). But we already know that magic can really do a number on those that aren't very resistant to magic, as Babidi and Buu both prove.
Zen Buu is pretty wanked, but he absorbed millions of people with all kinds of talents, so it kind of makes sense that he would become a godlike being even if it seems absurd on the surface. Buu developing the intelligence to spread himself apart and having powerful magic spells, even if Vegetto were 1000x more powerful Buu isn't an opponent he can beat without destroying the whole universe. Meaning that magic and wits are going to be what brings Buu down (maybe technology too). I still hope he is beaten at some point though. A guy that broken can really be problematic for storytelling.
Bra I disagree with. If Goten, Trunks and Gohan have more potential (though Goten and Trunks never get tor realize it) than Goku and Vegeta, then there is no reason to believe that Bra shouldn't eventually one day surpass even Vegetto in power. Of course the biological side effects of being uber powerful could prove to be fatal since Vegetto is already over reliant on Senzu Beans just so he doesn't starve to death so I am not sure there. Bra of U16 sucks as a character and is poorly written but her power and abilities are actually very much believable given what we see in Dragon Ball. Bra is easily the least haxxed of the four you listed and would even argue that Vegetto is a bit more haxxed. However I do think Bra should not be more skilled or as skilled as Goku and Vegeta since she is far less experienced and struggles to control her emotions. I do have beef with Vegetto and Bra having higher skill level (or it seems like they do) since I should think Goku and Vegeta would be more skilled in fighting. |
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Post by dbmaccount on Jul 24, 2022 8:02:06 GMT
Magic was always whatever the plot needed it to be back in DBZ, regardless of power levels. This is why Toriyama realized they were pointless past the Freeza saga.
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Post by mysticgotenks on Jul 1, 2023 22:27:05 GMT
Broly, yeah it’s ridiculous but I’m ok with it cuz he’s super strong and it’s cool? You’re right it’s not logical but someone has to be able to stand up to Vegetto. Makes the story interesting.
Zen Buu is the most interesting character in the story. Leave him alone.
Piccolo fused with 2 namekians and got to Android 17’s level. So you think Nail who fused with 100 Namekians should be Imperfect Cell level? I don’t get that.
I think Bra’s power is fine. She’s not even 1/10 of Vegetto’s power. It’s not that ridiculous. If anything Vegetto’s power is what’s ridiculous.
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