Fate of Red Ribbon Army/Dr. Gero in most universes

Fate of Red Ribbon Army/Dr. Gero in most universes Mar 9, 2024 12:56:52 GMT

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Post by loopwhirlipide on Mar 9, 2024 12:56:52 GMT

So I am working on my on take for a "What if Gero won?" universe and I started thinking on how events related to him played out in most universes where the big change happened before the Cell saga.It's possible we get a special minicomic explaining this specific problem in the future, but this is how I speculate the fate of the Red Ribbon Army and Dr.Gero:

U4/6/11/16/17/18/20:Events of the manga.

U12/14/15: Events of the future timelines.

U1/10: The Kaioshins are way more active in these universe and have destroyed mostly every big threat when it comes, so it's possible that they came to Earth and ordered the disbandment of the Red Ribbon Army when they took over Earth,or at least attempt it.

U2/5: Don't count for speculation on this topic

U3/13: In both this universes the Earth is shaken by the arrival of fierce Saiyans, either Raditz's squad or Kakarot. The latter will get one or two more special chapters, but it's safe to assume on both cases the Red Ribbon was destroyed the defense against these warriors.

U7: Nail comments on how Ghast fought a "lizard monster" ,and as Goku never achieved Super Saiyan in this universe, Gero might have succeeded on killing Goku,but still get betrayed by Cell like in that minicomic, who travelled from a different timeline before the point of divergence happened.

U8/U19: The big change in both cases here happens during the Saiyan Saga and both Goku and Piccolo are killed without a chance for their revival. My most likely possibility is that Gero took over Earth mostly unopposed by the remaining forces on Earth and reinstitated the Red Ribbon Army, but never venture to Earth or developed his technology to become the strongest in the universe.

U9: This universe hasn't advanced past the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai tournament, but in the main timeline Goku only decided to confront the Red Ribbon army when seeking the 4 Star Dragon Ball and then raid his base for the rest and revive Oopa's father. The confrontation with the Red Ribbon army may happen later in this universe, as Commander Red getting his wish of becoming taller wouldn't affect the world much,but it's possible that a similar case to U21 happened and after he was granted his wish (or Black killed him after he made such a stupid move like in the main timeline), the batallion declared war for world domination and the Dragon Team had to step up in opposition.

As for Dr. Gero, it seems he still survived the fall of the RR Army and created Cyborgs 17 and 18, this time as Yamcha and (presumably) Launch. According to the wiki there is a poster that shows all the enemies the Humans fought (I'd really like to know where this comes from), and both Cell and Hirudegarn are missing, so it seems future specials about this unvierse will give answers to this.

Most of these are speculations, but it comes to show that Gero and Red Ribbon Army itself should have been represented in an universe for the tournament when its consequences are vital to the plot,and it wouldn't even need to be its own universes taking into consideration that Gero might have simply won in Universes 8 and 19 too.

Fate of Red Ribbon Army/Dr. Gero in most universes Mar 14, 2024 21:05:56 GMT

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Post by drewsaga on Mar 14, 2024 21:05:56 GMT

Mar 9, 2024 12:56:52 GMT loopwhirlipide said:

U4/6/11/16/17/18/20:Events of the manga.

U12/14/15: Events of the future timelines.

U2/5: Don't count for speculation on this topic

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Ooh, interesting. I think honestly the RR Army was probably wicked unlucky in most universes there (among the 20).

In U1/U10, it's likely that the Dragon Balls may have never reached the Earth since the cataclysm never happened. So it is unknown whether the Red Ribbon Army would even exist or rule the world and if they did it's doubtful they created Androids/Cyborgs that could pose any threat to the universe like Cell or even #17 and #18 does (basically you would have like Android 8 who is orders of magnitudes weaker, maybe). And of course if they did then yes, the Kaioshins would destroy the RR Army easily.

Therefore I don't believe the Kaioshins have intervened on Earth over the RR Army since they are nothing like Frieza's Army nor the "Evil Army" in scale and power. The fact that in the main universe Goku practically took down the RR Army himself (with occasional help of course) and in U13 Kakarotto took down the RR Army on his own, indicating that it only took one Saiyan to do it, so it's not even worth it for Kaioshins to worry about them. Unless the Kaioshins became fully tyrannical and not allow anything to go past their noses but that seems too extreme. Bad enough they killed a baby (even if they had a reason to) but I doubt they would overextend that much.

As for U7, I think it's possible Gero could have killed Goku, but it could have also been Vegeta. Vegeta unlocked SSJ and as far as we know, Goku in U7 has not. And Vegeta probably was planning on killing Goku anyways at some point so he probably got a kill in. Meaning that U7 Goku would lack the strength to take on U7 Vegeta. U7 is an interesting one regardless and I can't wait for more specials on U7. Who knows, maybe the Androids killed Vegeta after Vegeta kills Goku or something. I wonder since Gast fought Majin Buu that he may have also faced a Majin Vegeta (who unlocks SSJ2 in the process) too in his universe as well for that it could explain how Buu was freed and Gast beat Buu at all.

And for U19 and U8, I can see that being the case in U19, but in U8 it's likely Frieza and family conqured the Earth unopposed before Gero even had a chance to create #17, #18, #19 and turn himself into an Android.

U9 is probably THE most interesting universe with regards to the RR Army. Commander Red would have had his plans go virtually unopposed had Goku not interfered. Which sucks for the snow village that Goku had to save from General White since this means that the villagers would have all died unless Android 8 takes on General White and his men (which would be a cool matchup to see, having fights like Major Metallitron vs Android 8). So yes, I think that Red gets his wish, the others find out about the Dragon Balls that way and the RR Army goes to war with the entire world and loses. Then Dr. Gero works on Cyborg experiments and chose to kidnap Yamcha for such experiments.

Given Launch's temperament when she sneezes and goes blond hair mode, it would be quite terrifying if she was Android 18.