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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Apr 12, 2024 19:37:12 GMT
I think I might've been right on the money when I said that I think XXI wants to gather as many of the Universes Dragon Balls as possible with his wish and fuse them together. He obviously already has his own Shenron so one set of Dragon Balls doesn't have enough power to grant his ultimate wish, so a Multiversal Set might be what he's after.
I think using a Multiversal Eternal Dragon he'll wish to stop the expansion of the infinite Multiverse. Then from there he'll either ask the dragon or use his own power to be able to Multiverse travel or just break the boundaries between the Universes. Then well he'll do what I'K'L says he wants to do.
What do you guys think about my theory here?
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Post by Super-dee-Duper Veku on Apr 13, 2024 1:32:38 GMT
I think I might've been right on the money when I said that I think XXI wants to gather as many of the Universes Dragon Balls as possible with his wish and fuse them together. He obviously already has his own Shenron so one set of Dragon Balls doesn't have enough power to grant his ultimate wish, so a Multiversal Set might be what he's after.
I think using a Multiversal Eternal Dragon he'll wish to stop the expansion of the infinite Multiverse. Then from there he'll either ask the dragon or use his own power to be able to Multiverse travel or just break the boundaries between the Universes. Then well he'll do what I'K'L says he wants to do.
What do you guys think about my theory here?
It’s a good theory and could be possible. Makes sense that he’s after something to give him access to the other universes or whatever his end game goal is. It definitely seems bigger than just using a normal set of dragon balls. |
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Post by drewsaga on Apr 15, 2024 21:47:38 GMT
I think I might've been right on the money when I said that I think XXI wants to gather as many of the Universes Dragon Balls as possible with his wish and fuse them together. He obviously already has his own Shenron so one set of Dragon Balls doesn't have enough power to grant his ultimate wish, so a Multiversal Set might be what he's after.
I think using a Multiversal Eternal Dragon he'll wish to stop the expansion of the infinite Multiverse. Then from there he'll either ask the dragon or use his own power to be able to Multiverse travel or just break the boundaries between the Universes. Then well he'll do what I'K'L says he wants to do.
What do you guys think about my theory here?
It’s a good theory and could be possible. Makes sense that he’s after something to give him access to the other universes or whatever his end game goal is. It definitely seems bigger than just using a normal set of dragon balls. I previously assumed that power level wise that XXI would be around SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta (U18) but if he can devour universes, he would have to be above even SSJ3 Vegetto. So if he is that powerful and has busted magic, why hasn't he already taken over the multiverse? Only two potential threats would be the U1 Vargas (who can send him back but their tech can be disrupted by magic and even has been disrupted in the past) and U4 Buu (XXI managed to seal him up and could totally have killed Buu this way). Maybe Gast of U7 could beat XXI but may not be likely. I think if this is really XXI's goal (devour all universes), then his wish would be that he wishes to become a member of U1 which means that XXI's "being" will be anchored to U1 instead of U5 and he gains the ability to time travel and then potentially U4 Buu himself figures it out as well (though it is possibe he will never be able to do it and his chance slipped away). This would make XXI a credible Multiversal threat. I could see the Vargas banning him only for him to come back. It would be the very same kind of danger U4 Buu could have posed to the multiverse. XXI does seem a bit like an "Anti-"Zen Buu. XXI: - hates fun (Buu of U4 loves fun) - betrays/hates the spirit of competition and the fighting tournament he has taken part of (Buu loved the fighting tournament) - tries to beat his opponents as easily as possible and win as fast as possible (Buu just has fun buffing up his opppnents just to get entertainment) He does share some commonalities with U4 Buu too though. - both enjoy destruction and consuming others, U4 Buu just doesn't want to consume everything but Kid Buu, his primordial form was a being of pure deatruction. - both seek power and the Dragon Balls (in different ways) - both want to dominate their adversaries absolutely Things could be about to get spicy. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Apr 16, 2024 4:19:03 GMT
It’s a good theory and could be possible. Makes sense that he’s after something to give him access to the other universes or whatever his end game goal is. It definitely seems bigger than just using a normal set of dragon balls. I previously assumed that power level wise that XXI would be around SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta (U18) but if he can devour universes, he would have to be above even SSJ3 Vegetto. So if he is that powerful and has busted magic, why hasn't he already taken over the multiverse?
I think it's obvious that he's not that powerful to overcome the boundaries between Universes, which is why he needs to win the tournament? He could use a wish to create a much more powerful set of DBs that can help him access the other Universes.
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Post by drewsaga on Apr 16, 2024 13:00:25 GMT
I previously assumed that power level wise that XXI would be around SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta (U18) but if he can devour universes, he would have to be above even SSJ3 Vegetto. So if he is that powerful and has busted magic, why hasn't he already taken over the multiverse?
I think it's obvious that he's not that powerful to overcome the boundaries between Universes, which is why he needs to win the tournament? He could use a wish to create a much more powerful set of DBs that can help him access the other Universes.
Regardless of XXI's power level it seems clear he is more of a magic-oriented user (like Babidi but he does have some strength to back himself up). So regardless of XXI's physical power, he lacks the mystic powers to do what he wants which according to I'K'L is to devour every universe hence his desire to get his hands on the Dragon Balls from other universes. My guess is also that for XXI to be able to devour other universes, he has to travel there (Multiverse travel), which is only limited to U1 beings...
This is where it gets whack. What if XXI use a wish to anchor his being/his soul/whatever into U1 so XXI would resign from being a part of U5 and be a part of U1? This is a major loophole that may allow XXI to do the impossible...XXI practically uses hacks to do things like get a remote to disable Androids/Cyborgs who don't even exist in his universe so this would be the greatest act of hacks that anyone in the Dragon Ball Multiverse has done so far (which is saying a lot).
Multiverse travel! U4 Buu even hasn't figured that out yet (or maybe he has and is not able to because even his magic powers are not that great). It is possible that U4 Buu may actually pull this off as well and then we get a real fight between U1 (formerly U4) Buu and U1 (formerly U5) XXI.
I wonder what even motivates XXI to do what he is doing, is he a sentient Carbonite being?
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Apr 16, 2024 14:54:08 GMT
I think it's obvious that he's not that powerful to overcome the boundaries between Universes, which is why he needs to win the tournament? He could use a wish to create a much more powerful set of DBs that can help him access the other Universes.
Regardless of XXI's power level it seems clear he is more of a magic-oriented user (like Babidi but he does have some strength to back himself up). So regardless of XXI's physical power, he lacks the mystic powers to do what he wants which according to I'K'L is to devour every universe hence his desire to get his hands on the Dragon Balls from other universes. My guess is also that for XXI to be able to devour other universes, he has to travel there (Multiverse travel), which is only limited to U1 beings... This is where it gets whack. What if XXI use a wish to anchor his being/his soul/whatever into U1 so XXI would resign from being a part of U5 and be a part of U1? This is a major loophole that may allow XXI to do the impossible...XXI practically uses hacks to do things like get a remote to disable Androids/Cyborgs who don't even exist in his universe so this would be the greatest act of hacks that anyone in the Dragon Ball Multiverse has done so far (which is saying a lot).
Multiverse travel! U4 Buu even hasn't figured that out yet (or maybe he has and is not able to because even his magic powers are not that great). It is possible that U4 Buu may actually pull this off as well and then we get a real fight between U1 (formerly U4) Buu and U1 (formerly U5) XXI. Who says only U1 beings can Multiverse travel? All that's been confirmed in regards to that is that the Vargas tech can only be used by U1 Vargas. Obviously XXI needs a stronger set of Dragon Balls and I actually don't think even Porunga is strong enough for what XXI wants. Though Porunga is probably strong enough to fuse multiple sets of DBs into a stronger set of Dragon Balls. He's definitely gonna need something like a Multiversal set of Dragon Balls if he wants to devour the whole Multiverse since he'd need to both stop the further expansion of the infinitely growing Multiverse AND either gain the ability to traverse the Multiverse or break the boundaries between the Universes so the Multiverse ends up becoming one giant Universe. I wonder what even motivates XXI to do what he is doing, is he a sentient Carbonite being?
Now that's an entirely different question. One that I don't think we've been given enough information about XXI to answer yet. We probably won't be teased that type of information and will only find out the answer to that once Salagir decides to give us a Special Chapter on U5 and XXI.
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Post by drewsaga on Apr 17, 2024 0:38:56 GMT
Regardless of XXI's power level it seems clear he is more of a magic-oriented user (like Babidi but he does have some strength to back himself up). So regardless of XXI's physical power, he lacks the mystic powers to do what he wants which according to I'K'L is to devour every universe hence his desire to get his hands on the Dragon Balls from other universes. My guess is also that for XXI to be able to devour other universes, he has to travel there (Multiverse travel), which is only limited to U1 beings... This is where it gets whack. What if XXI use a wish to anchor his being/his soul/whatever into U1 so XXI would resign from being a part of U5 and be a part of U1? This is a major loophole that may allow XXI to do the impossible...XXI practically uses hacks to do things like get a remote to disable Androids/Cyborgs who don't even exist in his universe so this would be the greatest act of hacks that anyone in the Dragon Ball Multiverse has done so far (which is saying a lot).
Multiverse travel! U4 Buu even hasn't figured that out yet (or maybe he has and is not able to because even his magic powers are not that great). It is possible that U4 Buu may actually pull this off as well and then we get a real fight between U1 (formerly U4) Buu and U1 (formerly U5) XXI. Who says only U1 beings can Multiverse travel? All that's been confirmed in regards to that is that the Vargas tech can only be used by U1 Vargas. Obviously XXI needs a stronger set of Dragon Balls and I actually don't think even Porunga is strong enough for what XXI wants. Though Porunga is probably strong enough to fuse multiple sets of DBs into a stronger set of Dragon Balls. He's definitely gonna need something like a Multiversal set of Dragon Balls if he wants to devour the whole Multiverse since he'd need to both stop the further expansion of the infinitely growing Multiverse AND either gain the ability to traverse the Multiverse or break the boundaries between the Universes so the Multiverse ends up becoming one giant Universe. I wonder what even motivates XXI to do what he is doing, is he a sentient Carbonite being?
Now that's an entirely different question. One that I don't think we've been given enough information about XXI to answer yet. We probably won't be teased that type of information and will only find out the answer to that once Salagir decides to give us a Special Chapter on U5 and XXI.
That's kind of my point (though I admit, I could have done better explaining it), that XXI wants to combine the powers of multiple dragons at once so that they can cast magic on a level that even one eternal dragon cannot. Because once he can do that then he has access to an infinite amount of Dragon Balls. But you are right in that XXI would have to limit the expansion of the Multiverse because of it's infinite nature, but I don't think that's possible. The route XXI is taking it would take him an infinite amount of time to get infinite magic power. 1 Porunga from 1 universe by himself may not be able to do it but multiple? Which means XXI could still pull it off. My guess is one of the Gohans (at least the one that doesn't get killed by Vegetto) catch wind of XXI's scheme and hence breaks a Dragon Ball in preventing XXI from getting his hands on enough sets of Dragon Balls. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Apr 17, 2024 4:15:07 GMT
Who says only U1 beings can Multiverse travel? All that's been confirmed in regards to that is that the Vargas tech can only be used by U1 Vargas. Obviously XXI needs a stronger set of Dragon Balls and I actually don't think even Porunga is strong enough for what XXI wants. Though Porunga is probably strong enough to fuse multiple sets of DBs into a stronger set of Dragon Balls. He's definitely gonna need something like a Multiversal set of Dragon Balls if he wants to devour the whole Multiverse since he'd need to both stop the further expansion of the infinitely growing Multiverse AND either gain the ability to traverse the Multiverse or break the boundaries between the Universes so the Multiverse ends up becoming one giant Universe.
Now that's an entirely different question. One that I don't think we've been given enough information about XXI to answer yet. We probably won't be teased that type of information and will only find out the answer to that once Salagir decides to give us a Special Chapter on U5 and XXI.
That's kind of my point (though I admit, I could have done better explaining it), that XXI wants to combine the powers of multiple dragons at once so that they can cast magic on a level that even one eternal dragon cannot. Because once he can do that then he has access to an infinite amount of Dragon Balls. But you are right in that XXI would have to limit the expansion of the Multiverse because of it's infinite nature, but I don't think that's possible. The route XXI is taking it would take him an infinite amount of time to get infinite magic power. 1 Porunga from 1 universe by himself may not be able to do it but multiple? Which means XXI could still pull it off. My guess is one of the Gohans (at least the one that doesn't get killed by Vegetto) catch wind of XXI's scheme and hence breaks a Dragon Ball in preventing XXI from getting his hands on enough sets of Dragon Balls.
Yeah it'd probably take multiple wishes to keep fusing them over and over again as it will require a lot of magical power to turn off the infinite expansion of the Multiverse. And Gohan breaking one of the Dragon Balls might be Gohan's plan to stop him. If a broken Dragon Ball gets fused into the others it might destabilize them and stop XXI's plan or significantly slow it down to buy some time.
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Post by drewsaga on Apr 17, 2024 4:32:32 GMT
That's kind of my point (though I admit, I could have done better explaining it), that XXI wants to combine the powers of multiple dragons at once so that they can cast magic on a level that even one eternal dragon cannot. Because once he can do that then he has access to an infinite amount of Dragon Balls. But you are right in that XXI would have to limit the expansion of the Multiverse because of it's infinite nature, but I don't think that's possible. The route XXI is taking it would take him an infinite amount of time to get infinite magic power. 1 Porunga from 1 universe by himself may not be able to do it but multiple? Which means XXI could still pull it off. My guess is one of the Gohans (at least the one that doesn't get killed by Vegetto) catch wind of XXI's scheme and hence breaks a Dragon Ball in preventing XXI from getting his hands on enough sets of Dragon Balls.
Yeah it'd probably take multiple wishes to keep fusing them over and over again as it will require a lot of magical power to turn off the infinite expansion of the Multiverse. And Gohan breaking one of the Dragon Balls might be Gohan's plan to stop him. If a broken Dragon Ball gets fused into the others it might destabilize them and stop XXI's plan or significantly slow it down to buy some time.
It could be. Gohan may very well disrupt XXI (though if there are many sets of Dragon Balls then sabotaging one set might not be good enough). I do think it is interesting that Gohan would be involved in stopping XXI if this were the case (of course he would if he knew what XXI was up to). Namely because I think all of this gets set off the moment Vegetto throws a casket that XXI will make his move and the only one that is on to him is Old Kai and I'K'L (who just got taken out by Yamcha). His fit of rage will give XXI a lot of cover and makes a great distraction because of just how powerful Vegetto is physically compared to everyone else. Maybe Vegetto gets neutralized somehow and one of the two Gohans is still alive and will pursue XXI. But otherwise XXI done a great job masking his true intentions.
So I think there is another possibility (I think it's much more likely Gohan is stopping XXI directly but still, this one I think is worth entertaining). Maybe Gohan wasn't doing this to stop XXI, but Vegetto instead.
Because Vegetto might just get so mad that he will be demanding to U1's officials to bring back I'K'L to life with the Dragon Balls so he can have a rematch and prove his "superiority" over magic users. The U1 officials refuse, but good luck to them in stopping Vegetto from destroying their control center and getting to the Dragon Balls quickly. My guess is Gohan beats Vegetto to one of the seven in one of the sets of Dragon Balls and Gohan smashes the Dragon Ball and this causes Vegetto to really snap and so will Gohan's neck. But what's funny is if he does it then Gohan actually does help undermine XXI's plan without even knowing it only for Vegetto to distract everyone from XXI's plans but XXI may be more inclined to make his moves if a set gets destroyed because if all the sets or enough get destroyed then XXI's plan is ruined which means this way Gohan manages to force XXI's hand before Old Kai or anyone else does. |
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