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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 10:09:45 GMT
Same thing for Frieza and Majin Buu/Beerus, just saying. Neither of the latter were known till later but by that logic, Frieza knew the whole time someone else was stronger, yet he kept boasting about him being the strongest. Look where that lead him 20 something years later irl. He became discreditable. Hell Vegeta knew Beerus in his childhood, just forgot the face. In-universe they lied so they intimidate their foes. That's fine. Out-universe we see it as a bullshit claim.
Point trying (and apparently failing) to get across is that Zamasu played it safe with the immortality thing so he could proceed with the Zero Mortal Plan. Black (being alternate timeline Zamasu) could've played it safe. Maybe he didn't think so at the time of the body swap but he got his ass whopped by Goku when he taunted about how he killed Goku's family. Sure he survived but anymore damage and he could've actually died. Now how can he execute the ZM plan?
Think of it this way. He could still get boosts from near death AND get instant heal (apparently that comes with Immortality as shown with Zamasu...). If he was testing his body and it turned out to be weaker than his foes, then he has a contingency plan. If he's stronger, well then no need to invoke immortality because he can beat them, great for him. He'd benefit either way.
Now back to Frieza's fallback plan in RoF. He had a ray gun ready to use in case it turned out he was weaker than Goku. Now ignoring how he actually managed to get Goku down, at least he had a contingency plan. If Black was in a similar situation, what would he do? Call Zamasu for help? If Zamasu is unconscious or occupied fighting someone else, then Black is officially screwed cuz he didn't bother to jump in time and prepare himself.
Also. It is your call to respond or not. No one is obligated to do so. For starters, Freeza was originally written to be the end boss, so therefore his claims as the strongest were 100% accurate. The success of DB extended beyond what AT had originally envisioned, hence the startling increase in what was already a plothole-A-thon.
Not to be a complete douche, but pretty much everything after Namek especially anything released after the conclusion of the Cell Games is a complete cluster fuck and trying too hard to piece it all together in order for it to be coherent takes away what I get out of most from watching DB, which is to be mindlessly entertained. To be fair though, DB was a gag manga turned action shounen. It was never meant to be clever. Being a Gohan Fanboi, my expectations for DB as a whole were dashed earlier than for most fans, combined with DBE allowing me to vent all my frustrations, it chilled me out enough to just simply enjoy the content released since the proper end of DB for lighthearted fanservice that it is, otherwise I would have blown a gasket with the 10yr anniversary alone, much less the newest movie additions. In order for me to be anger free and not just another prick that just shoots off short dismissive responses, I have Super 'beginning' at the tournament arc in my head, so I won't be discussing anything that happens between then and the end of DB. Sorry.
As I have already explained with Black, once he got the body of Goku he 100% knew he was the strongest bar none. Zamasu still being in his weak original body needed it. They most likely never considered universe and time traveling challengers to be a thing, so after Black succumbed to his inevitable natural death, the immortal Zamasu would be able to easily oversee the remainder of the ZMP as the only real threats were already taken care of. Short sighted? Yup. Looking too far into something that was most likely decided on a whim? Yup. Will it even be explained? Maybe but most likely not. I mean really, we are tryin to justify the meaning behind a villains decision that was written by a senile old man who forgot Trunks has a sister that is older than Pan, among a great number of other things I won't get into.
I guess my point is, don't try looking too hard for something that may not even be there. There are a fuckton of fan theories being vastly superior to what is eventually revealed officially and I have been burned by that before, but never again. Those with unreasonably high expectations and/or those who that take their head cannon too seriously are usually disappointed the most, therefore tend to be the 'loudest' when it comes to opinions regarding something they love. Had to spoiler coz I derailed myself into a rant... Edit: Having read the remaining comments in this thread I can only add that the zenkai came from obtaining grievous injuries during battle that were not self inflicted. So technically Freeza could have easily zenkai'd the shit out of Vegeta. 'Near death' (idk, maybe it was a translation error?) was a poor choice of words, they are too vague and can be achieved in various other ways, example, just hangin out in the vacuum of space. HA imagine a zenkai from choking on food would be hilarious. HNNGHH! Nono, even better, a zenkai from autoerotique asphyxiation!! Ahem, excuse me, where was I? Oh yea, Black had no idea of this Saiyan only trait until after he fought Goku.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 13, 2016 16:55:44 GMT
Same thing for Frieza and Majin Buu/Beerus, just saying. Neither of the latter were known till later but by that logic, Frieza knew the whole time someone else was stronger, yet he kept boasting about him being the strongest. Look where that lead him 20 something years later irl. He became discreditable. Hell Vegeta knew Beerus in his childhood, just forgot the face. In-universe they lied so they intimidate their foes. That's fine. Out-universe we see it as a bullshit claim.
Point trying (and apparently failing) to get across is that Zamasu played it safe with the immortality thing so he could proceed with the Zero Mortal Plan. Black (being alternate timeline Zamasu) could've played it safe. Maybe he didn't think so at the time of the body swap but he got his ass whopped by Goku when he taunted about how he killed Goku's family. Sure he survived but anymore damage and he could've actually died. Now how can he execute the ZM plan?
Think of it this way. He could still get boosts from near death AND get instant heal (apparently that comes with Immortality as shown with Zamasu...). If he was testing his body and it turned out to be weaker than his foes, then he has a contingency plan. If he's stronger, well then no need to invoke immortality because he can beat them, great for him. He'd benefit either way.
Now back to Frieza's fallback plan in RoF. He had a ray gun ready to use in case it turned out he was weaker than Goku. Now ignoring how he actually managed to get Goku down, at least he had a contingency plan. If Black was in a similar situation, what would he do? Call Zamasu for help? If Zamasu is unconscious or occupied fighting someone else, then Black is officially screwed cuz he didn't bother to jump in time and prepare himself.
Also. It is your call to respond or not. No one is obligated to do so. For starters, Freeza was originally written to be the end boss, so therefore his claims as the strongest were 100% accurate. The success of DB extended beyond what AT had originally envisioned, hence the startling increase in what was already a plothole-A-thon.
Not to be a complete douche, but pretty much everything after Namek especially anything released after the conclusion of the Cell Games is a complete cluster fuck and trying too hard to piece it all together in order for it to be coherent takes away what I get out of most from watching DB, which is to be mindlessly entertained. To be fair though, DB was a gag manga turned action shounen. It was never meant to be clever. Being a Gohan Fanboi, my expectations for DB as a whole were dashed earlier than for most fans, combined with DBE allowing me to vent all my frustrations, it chilled me out enough to just simply enjoy the content released since the proper end of DB for lighthearted fanservice that it is, otherwise I would have blown a gasket with the 10yr anniversary alone, much less the newest movie additions. In order for me to be anger free and not just another prick that just shoots off short dismissive responses, I have Super 'beginning' at the tournament arc in my head, so I won't be discussing anything that happens between then and the end of DB. Sorry.
As I have already explained with Black, once he got the body of Goku he 100% knew he was the strongest bar none. Zamasu still being in his weak original body needed it. They most likely never considered universe and time traveling challengers to be a thing, so after Black succumbed to his inevitable natural death, the immortal Zamasu would be able to easily oversee the remainder of the ZMP as the only real threats were already taken care of. Short sighted? Yup. Looking too far into something that was most likely decided on a whim? Yup. Will it even be explained? Maybe but most likely not. I mean really, we are tryin to justify the meaning behind a villains decision that was written by a senile old man who forgot Trunks has a sister that is older than Pan, among a great number of other things I won't get into.
I guess my point is, don't try looking too hard for something that may not even be there. There are a fuckton of fan theories being vastly superior to what is eventually revealed officially and I have been burned by that before, but never again. Those with unreasonably high expectations and/or those who that take their head cannon too seriously are usually disappointed the most, therefore tend to be the 'loudest' when it comes to opinions regarding something they love. Had to spoiler coz I derailed myself into a rant... Edit: Having read the remaining comments in this thread I can only add that the zenkai came from obtaining grievous injuries during battle that were not self inflicted. So technically Freeza could have easily zenkai'd the shit out of Vegeta. 'Near death' (idk, maybe it was a translation error?) was a poor choice of words, they are too vague and can be achieved in various other ways, example, just hangin out in the vacuum of space. HA imagine a zenkai from choking on food would be hilarious. HNNGHH! Nono, even better, a zenkai from autoerotique asphyxiation!! Ahem, excuse me, where was I? Oh yea, Black had no idea of this Saiyan only trait until after he fought Goku. Ah yes, keyword was originally. Alright that works. The biggest problem is when characters state stuff that would've worked at the time but when the series progresses, it becomes a blatant lie. That basically rids of the Frieza section of our discussion. So that's a relief for ya Tbh I'd like the idea of BoG and RoF movies as the literal beginning of Super. Like. resume from the movies and not even bother a retold saga. I can understand you point to avoid discussion those two preliminary sagas. Moving on. Wait a minute: "after Black succumbed to his inevitable natural death" YOU KNOW WHEN BLACK IS GOING TO DIE!!! TELL ME! Jk, I mess around with tenses. But yeah I guess that would make sense that immortal Zam would pick up the reigns after the main threats are gone. Maybe Black's initial plan was just that. Clear the road so another Zam can take over. "I mean really, we are tryin to justify the meaning behind a villains decision that was written by a senile old man who forgot Trunks has a sister that is older than Pan, among a great number of other things I won't get into." This. This right here. Deserves a like. You deserve it. But yeah I guess I tried a bit too hard in that sense. Zenkai section Probably a translation error. Then again, it's not like we have anyone Saiyan like we could just test the limitations of his on. As you said. A fictional world by a senile old man. Might as well just ignore it and let the PL debaters discuss this. "HA imagine a zenkai from choking on food would be hilarious. HNNGHH! Nono, even better, a zenkai from autoerotique asphyxiation!!" Oh dear Kami the first half was hilarious. Second half: I'm trying to think of a joke that won't come off as perverted or mentally disturbed but otherwise: LOL. Gonna have to edit this later. It's kind of funny, I'd have thought in the original timeflow, Zamasu researched Goku thanks to Zuno. You'd think Zuno would've said something bout Zenkais. Maybe this will be why in the future fights, Black would lose cuz he didn't know to exploit Zenkai prior to fighting Goku.
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Post by kinnikuman on Oct 14, 2016 18:25:16 GMT
Point trying (and apparently failing) to get across is that Zamasu played it safe with the immortality thing so he could proceed with the Zero Mortal Plan. Black (being alternate timeline Zamasu) could've played it safe. Maybe he didn't think so at the time of the body swap but he got his ass whopped by Goku when he taunted about how he killed Goku's family. Sure he survived but anymore damage and he could've actually died. Now how can he execute the ZM plan? Think of it this way. He could still get boosts from near death AND get instant heal (apparently that comes with Immortality as shown with Zamasu...). If he was testing his body and it turned out to be weaker than his foes, then he has a contingency plan. If he's stronger, well then no need to invoke immortality because he can beat them, great for him. He'd benefit either way. Now back to Frieza's fallback plan in RoF. He had a ray gun ready to use in case it turned out he was weaker than Goku. Now ignoring how he actually managed to get Goku down, at least he had a contingency plan. If Black was in a similar situation, what would he do? Call Zamasu for help? If Zamasu is unconscious or occupied fighting someone else, then Black is officially screwed cuz he didn't bother to jump in time and prepare himself. The out-of-universe reason for Black not being immortal is that it'd make him broken and Zamasu redundant, but I hope there's an in-universe explanation, too, other than the cliche "Black doesn't think he needs it because he's so strong now." Super seems to be bringing back the concept of zenkai--that Saiyans get stronger when they almost die. So the only in-universe explanation I can think of for Black not wanting to become immortal is that it'd take away his zenkais; if you're immortal, you can't die, so the zenkai reflex doesn't kick in. But then again, Super hasn't referred to what Black is doing as a zenkai, and it doesn't work anything like how zenkais worked in the Frieza saga. In Super, just being beaten up is enough to make Black stronger--not getting close to death. (I think I remember hearing somewhere that, way back in the early Frieza saga, Vegeta said that Saiyans got stronger just by fighting, but all the zenkais he ever got was from getting almost killed.) I think it's Zenkais and the eventual fusion that is planned. Black does not need to worry about Goku. No mater how powerful he gets black will be stronger (Black has a future version of gokus body. If Goku goes Super Kaioken x20 Black will be that strong +x because he already did all of this. In fact Black may be keeping Goku on the threashold of death just to get even stronger. Also when Black and Zamaso fuse they will become a immortal fused being.
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Post by Archon on Oct 16, 2016 4:24:40 GMT
So I had some theories I wanted to throw out there that after watching ep 62 make some sense. Feel free to criticize and comment etc EDIT: sorry for the small resolution on the images I tried making them bigger but don't know how.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 16, 2016 18:15:51 GMT
The out-of-universe reason for Black not being immortal is that it'd make him broken and Zamasu redundant, but I hope there's an in-universe explanation, too, other than the cliche "Black doesn't think he needs it because he's so strong now." Super seems to be bringing back the concept of zenkai--that Saiyans get stronger when they almost die. So the only in-universe explanation I can think of for Black not wanting to become immortal is that it'd take away his zenkais; if you're immortal, you can't die, so the zenkai reflex doesn't kick in. But then again, Super hasn't referred to what Black is doing as a zenkai, and it doesn't work anything like how zenkais worked in the Frieza saga. In Super, just being beaten up is enough to make Black stronger--not getting close to death. (I think I remember hearing somewhere that, way back in the early Frieza saga, Vegeta said that Saiyans got stronger just by fighting, but all the zenkais he ever got was from getting almost killed.) I think it's Zenkais and the eventual fusion that is planned. Black does not need to worry about Goku. No mater how powerful he gets black will be stronger ( Black has a future version of gokus body. If Goku goes Super Kaioken x20 Black will be that strong +x because he already did all of this. In fact Black may be keeping Goku on the threashold of death just to get even stronger. Also when Black and Zamaso fuse they will become a immortal fused being. I thought Black's body was the same as Goku "right after" fighting Zamasu? And time hopped to the current timeline/Future timeline? Also, like how Zam didn't know of Zenkais in the first place, he (hopefully) doesn't know of Kaioken.
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 16, 2016 18:24:58 GMT
I think it's Zenkais and the eventual fusion that is planned. Black does not need to worry about Goku. No mater how powerful he gets black will be stronger (Black has a future version of gokus body. If Goku goes Super Kaioken x20 Black will be that strong +x because he already did all of this. In fact Black may be keeping Goku on the threashold of death just to get even stronger. Also when Black and Zamaso fuse they will become a immortal fused being. While that's an interesting idea, time travel in Dragon Ball has always gone with Multiverse theory. Trunks' timeline didn't change when Gohan defeated Cell, and Black was still around after Beerus erased him. If Present Goku gets stronger, it has no effect on Black, unless Goku fights him. The Retro KakarottoI don't think Black would know any of Goku's moves. He hasn't used a Kamehameha yet, after all. I think he's got Zamasu's moveset and that's it.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 16, 2016 18:25:02 GMT
So I had some theories I wanted to throw out there that after watching ep 62 make some sense. Feel free to criticize and comment etc EDIT: sorry for the small resolution on the images I tried making them bigger but don't know how. Black said something about his Time ring protecting him, kind of like a shield. But ignoring that, If Beerus were to destroy Black, I think that would rid the timelines of Zamasu, not Goku. Imo, Black's body, Goku, is more like a vessel, so what Beerus really destroyed was Zamasu's soul from existence, the body being erased was a result of wipe out from existence. Second theory there... it's more likely that it's Beerus' destructive power (killing Zam) was "targeting" the origin of all Zamasu's (if that makes sense), at least I think that. We'll have to wait and see. For the image, after changing to BBCode then back to Preview, or just edit your message, you can go back and resize the pics. Edit: It's not showing up when I "quote" you, are the screenshots links or attachments? Edit #2 Ashanark There was "Black Kamehameha" and a Super Saiyan form, so I guess only those two. But even then, Kaioken needed the body and mind to sync. Since this is obviously not his own bod, Black can't use it.
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Post by Archon on Oct 16, 2016 19:36:08 GMT
So I had some theories I wanted to throw out there that after watching ep 62 make some sense. Feel free to criticize and comment etc EDIT: sorry for the small resolution on the images I tried making them bigger but don't know how. Black said something about his Time ring protecting him, kind of like a shield. But ignoring that, If Beerus were to destroy Black, I think that would rid the timelines of Zamasu, not Goku. Imo, Black's body, Goku, is more like a vessel, so what Beerus really destroyed was Zamasu's soul from existence, the body being erased was a result of wipe out from existence. Second theory there... it's more likely that it's Beerus' destructive power (killing Zam) was "targeting" the origin of all Zamasu's (if that makes sense), at least I think that. We'll have to wait and see. For the image, after changing to BBCode then back to Preview, or just edit your message, you can go back and resize the pics. Edit: It's not showing up when I "quote" you, are the screenshots links or attachments? Edit #2 Ashanark There was "Black Kamehameha" and a Super Saiyan form, so I guess only those two. But even then, Kaioken needed the body and mind to sync. Since this is obviously not his own bod, Black can't use it. Images were attachments since I didn't have them from a website lol
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 16, 2016 21:07:25 GMT
I think it's Zenkais and the eventual fusion that is planned. Black does not need to worry about Goku. No mater how powerful he gets black will be stronger (Black has a future version of gokus body. If Goku goes Super Kaioken x20 Black will be that strong +x because he already did all of this. In fact Black may be keeping Goku on the threashold of death just to get even stronger. Also when Black and Zamaso fuse they will become a immortal fused being. While that's an interesting idea, time travel in Dragon Ball has always gone with Multiverse theory. Trunks' timeline didn't change when Gohan defeated Cell, and Black was still around after Beerus erased him. If Present Goku gets stronger, it has no effect on Black, unless Goku fights him. The Retro Kakarotto I don't think Black would know any of Goku's moves. He hasn't used a Kamehameha yet, after all. I think he's got Zamasu's moveset and that's it. He does. He did a Kamehameha when they first went to the future, and has been shown to be able to do "Instant Transmission" in the sort of way Goku does. It could be Zamasu already knew it, given Kibito and Shin have a similar technique. But the way he used it was in the way Goku does, mid-combat, fingers on forehead, no "KaiKai".
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 16, 2016 22:39:23 GMT
He does. He did a Kamehameha when they first went to the future, and has been shown to be able to do "Instant Transmission" in the sort of way Goku does. It could be Zamasu already knew it, given Kibito and Shin have a similar technique. But the way he used it was in the way Goku does, mid-combat, fingers on forehead, no "KaiKai". Also The Retro KakarottoAh, dangit. The one time I don't look something up to check my statement...
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 17, 2016 0:18:14 GMT
He does. He did a Kamehameha when they first went to the future, and has been shown to be able to do "Instant Transmission" in the sort of way Goku does. It could be Zamasu already knew it, given Kibito and Shin have a similar technique. But the way he used it was in the way Goku does, mid-combat, fingers on forehead, no "KaiKai". Also The Retro Kakarotto Ah, dangit. The one time I don't look something up to check my statement... Nah it's all good. I'm still confused why Black placed his fingers on his forehead if he could just use Instant movement and isn't limited to I.Transmission. Probably at the time to throw viewers off suspicion of a body swap Zamasu but still, that could've created the idea of "Black is a kaioshin from the dead and has return to destroy the world, rahhhh" as part of the speculations.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 17, 2016 16:21:49 GMT
Episode: 62 1 So Goku finally managed to back down from a fight. Since when did a saiyan like Goku decide to run away from a fight? Since he got Yamcha'd. Da dum tss. *cricket noises* I'll show myself out after this post. 2. Beerus probably just shrugged Bulma's insults just like he did for the U6 tournament wish cuz he didn't wanna reveal the real reason... Aka Gods can't cross timestreams/timelines. Ideas why? 3. GOTEN! HE'S BACK EVERYBOD- oh wait, it was just to sneak out of bed. False alarm everyone. 4. Chibi: HA, HAHAHAHAHAHA! Idk why people said these were bad, I found them hilarious! 5. Mafuba: Great call back but unless Black is removed, Zamasu will just call him to free Zam from the seal. Also, Piccolo? Priceless. Edit: 6. Trunks. "Cut! Trunks, you were supposed to lose your pupils AND beat down Both Zam and Black." "Sorry AT, can we make a second take for the next episode where Goku and Vegeta return? I'll work on the missing pupils by then." "... Alright kid I'll give ya another shot, but only because the fans expect a lot out of you."
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 17, 2016 16:57:23 GMT
Thanks to a site called Secret Saiyan I was able to catch up and wow just wow...
I'm liking the DB call back with wanting to use the mafuba, instead of thinking they need to hit them harder.
Also am I the only one who thinks Trunks should've gone into a berserk SS3? It would've been freaking beautiful to see that.
Also there goes my F Goten theory: Zamazu stealing a baby Goten from a possible timeline and raising him into Goku Black but I still like what they did even if it confuses the timelines a bit.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 17, 2016 18:35:51 GMT
Thanks to a site called Secret Saiyan I was able to catch up and wow just wow... I'm liking the DB call back with wanting to use the mafuba, instead of thinking they need to hit them harder. Also am I the only one who thinks Trunks should've gone into a berserk SS3? It would've been freaking beautiful to see that. Also there goes my F Goten theory: Zamazu stealing a baby Goten from a possible timeline and raising him into Goku Black but I still like what they did even if it confuses the timelines a bit. How reliable are the subs on Secret Saiyan website? Scale of 1-10 10 being great 1 being crap? "I figured it out. We just need to hit them really, REALLY hard." sounds applicable for some reason XD Maybe not SS3 cuz that would've taken years for Trunks to get. But his transformation was epic nevertheless. Soooo like Raditz or Piccolo stealing Gohan and training him to be evil? Or Frieza ruling Prince Vegeta? Timeline explanation we actually have a thread for that XD
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Post by The Masterman on Oct 17, 2016 19:08:35 GMT
Thanks to a site called Secret Saiyan I was able to catch up and wow just wow... I'm liking the DB call back with wanting to use the mafuba, instead of thinking they need to hit them harder. Also am I the only one who thinks Trunks should've gone into a berserk SS3? It would've been freaking beautiful to see that. Also there goes my F Goten theory: Zamazu stealing a baby Goten from a possible timeline and raising him into Goku Black but I still like what they did even if it confuses the timelines a bit. How reliable are the subs on Secret Saiyan website? Scale of 1-10 10 being great 1 being crap? "I figured it out. We just need to hit them really, REALLY hard." sounds applicable for some reason XD Maybe not SS3 cuz that would've taken years for Trunks to get. But his transformation was epic nevertheless. Soooo like Raditz or Piccolo stealing Gohan and training him to be evil? Or Frieza ruling Prince Vegeta? Timeline explanation we actually have a thread for that XD About an 8, they do a good job but can mess up sometimes like they keep calling senzu beans sage beans but so far they do an ok job with really good hd.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 17, 2016 20:35:50 GMT
Episode: 62 1 So Goku finally managed to back down from a fight. Since when did a saiyan like Goku decide to run away from a fight? Since he got Yamcha'd. Da dum tss. *cricket noises* I'll show myself out after this post. 2. Beerus probably just shrugged Bulma's insults just like he did for the U6 tournament wish cuz he didn't wanna reveal the real reason... Aka Gods can't cross timestreams/timelines. Ideas why? 3. GOTEN! HE'S BACK EVERYBOD- oh wait, it was just to sneak out of bed. False alarm everyone. 4. Chibi: HA, HAHAHAHAHAHA! Idk why people said these were bad, I found them hilarious! 5. Mafuba: Great call back but unless Black is removed, Zamasu will just call him to free Zam from the seal. Also, Piccolo? Priceless. Edit: 6. Trunks. "Cut! Trunks, you were supposed to lose your pupils AND beat down Both Zam and Black." "Sorry AT, can we make a second take for the next episode where Goku and Vegeta return? I'll work on the missing pupils by then." "... Alright kid I'll give ya another shot, but only because the fans expect a lot out of you." 1. He wasn't trying get get Chichi'd/Goten'd. I'd have run my ass home too lol. Then again, he was on the brink of death. I think he acknowledged fleeing was their only hope.
2. Hmm... That's a good question. Maybe it has something to do with that short dude that farted and destroyed 6 universes or whatever. Seemed to me that Beerus believed he really did not like the idea of time travel at all.
3. I said the exact same thing lol.
4. Wait what? I genuinely have no clue what you mean.
5. It's not going to work though. If we know anything about anime/manga/Akira Toriyama it's that things don't end that smoothly when the main characters are involved lol. Gotta end with a bang 1. Wait, I thought getting Yamcha'd was different from getting Chichi'd/Goten'd? Is getting Chichi'd/Goten'd the same as getting Gowasu'd? (Legit horror question is how he killed them, decapitation, stabbing or normal slash? I'm not sadistic but a black screen leaves the mind to wander off.) 2. You mean Zen-chan? LOL Is time travel even a real sin or was that just evil guys trying to push the good guy's buttons? 4. The chibi Zam and Black that was shown taking over the future when Bulma explained how Goku got beat up by "himself." There were reviews that the chibies (or is it chibis?) looked horrible and that they were just pathetic budget cut drawn pics. I however found them hilarious to watch. MasakoX's review is one example I found saying they were horrible. Around 4:15. 5. Would that be a Big Bang Kamehameha by anychance?
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Post by Archon on Oct 17, 2016 23:30:54 GMT
Episode: 62 1 So Goku finally managed to back down from a fight. Since when did a saiyan like Goku decide to run away from a fight? Since he got Yamcha'd. Da dum tss. *cricket noises* I'll show myself out after this post. 2. Beerus probably just shrugged Bulma's insults just like he did for the U6 tournament wish cuz he didn't wanna reveal the real reason... Aka Gods can't cross timestreams/timelines. Ideas why? 3. GOTEN! HE'S BACK EVERYBOD- oh wait, it was just to sneak out of bed. False alarm everyone. 4. Chibi: HA, HAHAHAHAHAHA! Idk why people said these were bad, I found them hilarious! 5. Mafuba: Great call back but unless Black is removed, Zamasu will just call him to free Zam from the seal. Also, Piccolo? Priceless. Edit: 6. Trunks. "Cut! Trunks, you were supposed to lose your pupils AND beat down Both Zam and Black." "Sorry AT, can we make a second take for the next episode where Goku and Vegeta return? I'll work on the missing pupils by then." "... Alright kid I'll give ya another shot, but only because the fans expect a lot out of you." It would probably be similar to if Champa came to Beerus' universe and destroyed a planet. Not his territory. Also they did say that God's weren't allowed to tamper with time to a great degree. And obviously sending someone that gets angry so easily (Beerus) through time would be bad.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 18, 2016 0:00:12 GMT
Used spoiler to shorten space. Episode: 62 1 So Goku finally managed to back down from a fight. Since when did a saiyan like Goku decide to run away from a fight? Since he got Yamcha'd. Da dum tss. *cricket noises* I'll show myself out after this post. 2. Beerus probably just shrugged Bulma's insults just like he did for the U6 tournament wish cuz he didn't wanna reveal the real reason... Aka Gods can't cross timestreams/timelines. Ideas why? 3. GOTEN! HE'S BACK EVERYBOD- oh wait, it was just to sneak out of bed. False alarm everyone. 4. Chibi: HA, HAHAHAHAHAHA! Idk why people said these were bad, I found them hilarious! 5. Mafuba: Great call back but unless Black is removed, Zamasu will just call him to free Zam from the seal. Also, Piccolo? Priceless. Edit: 6. Trunks. "Cut! Trunks, you were supposed to lose your pupils AND beat down Both Zam and Black." "Sorry AT, can we make a second take for the next episode where Goku and Vegeta return? I'll work on the missing pupils by then." "... Alright kid I'll give ya another shot, but only because the fans expect a lot out of you." It would probably be similar to if Champa came to Beerus' universe and destroyed a planet. Not his territory. Also they did say that God's weren't allowed to tamper with time to a great degree. And obviously sending someone that gets angry so easily (Beerus) through time would be bad. But don't U6 and U7 overlap? That's how the Super Dragon Balls were scattered. So Champa shouldn't be there but still did anyways? (Side note. What if there are no dragon balls in U1-5 and 8-12? Everyone would just jump to U6/7 for a wish) God tamper with time: That reminds me, when Zam and Gowasu traveled 1000 years to the future of planet Barbari (or whatever it is spelled) and Zamasu killed a Barbari, then Beerus killed Zamasu from that timestream, does that mean the planet returned back to normal, no casualties due to Zam?
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Post by Archon on Oct 18, 2016 2:50:31 GMT
It would probably be similar to if Champa came to Beerus' universe and destroyed a planet. Not his territory. Also they did say that God's weren't allowed to tamper with time to a great degree. And obviously sending someone that gets angry so easily (Beerus) through time would be bad. But don't U6 and U7 overlap? That's how the Super Dragon Balls were scattered. So Champa shouldn't be there but still did anyways? (Side note. What if there are no dragon balls in U1-5 and 8-12? Everyone would just jump to U6/7 for a wish) God tamper with time: That reminds me, when Zam and Gowasu traveled 1000 years to the future of planet Barbari (or whatever it is spelled) and Zamasu killed a Barbari, then Beerus killed Zamasu from that timestream, does that mean the planet returned back to normal, no casualties due to Zam? No no I meant Champa can BE in Beerus' universe it's just it's not his duty to destroy planets outside his universe. It'd be like a cop from Missouri arresting someone while in Arkansas. The other part: I have no idea. I'm assuming it would not because at the time he was with Gowasu he was wearing a Kai earring like he is with Black and he's also wearing a Time Ring. Which Black said protected him. So my understanding is that since Zamasu wasn't yet a god (and only an apprentice) I don't think Beerus' power would affect any version of him except the one he directly killed. Even if it did affect him the ring would protect him for that short while.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 18, 2016 3:00:51 GMT
But don't U6 and U7 overlap? That's how the Super Dragon Balls were scattered. So Champa shouldn't be there but still did anyways? (Side note. What if there are no dragon balls in U1-5 and 8-12? Everyone would just jump to U6/7 for a wish) God tamper with time: That reminds me, when Zam and Gowasu traveled 1000 years to the future of planet Barbari (or whatever it is spelled) and Zamasu killed a Barbari, then Beerus killed Zamasu from that timestream, does that mean the planet returned back to normal, no casualties due to Zam? No no I meant Champa can BE in Beerus' universe it's just it's not his duty to destroy planets outside his universe. It'd be like a cop from Missouri arresting someone while in Arkansas. The other part: I have no idea. I'm assuming it would not because at the time he was with Gowasu he was wearing a Kai earring like he is with Black and he's also wearing a Time Ring. Which Black said protected him. So my understanding is that since Zamasu wasn't yet a god (and only an apprentice) I don't think Beerus' power would affect any version of him except the one he directly killed. Even if it did affect him the ring would protect him for that short while. That's specifically U7, no overlap. Like a Venn diagram, how much of both universes overlap that it's justified both GoDs could destroy that overlapped area without violating Universe space. Back to the question, so Beerus can't jump in time, he and Whis went to Gowasu. How is Gowasu gonna help if he's also a God/Kai? Second part is interesting, if in real life someone erased my life from existence, would the effect affect all Me's at once or would it be like a ripple that the farther from origin, the later the ripple occurs?
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