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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 22:40:01 GMT
He must be. Remember this scene: Along mid video, after destroying the Super Dragon Balls "Also, using this powerful body (refering to Goku's stolen one) I killed all the gods in every universe" while showcasing shadows of dead Kaioshins. Except all that means is that there were multiple Kaioshins we didn't see in U10 that also existed. It doesn't specifically say Gowasu is connected to a GoD. Any of the other Kaioshins could have been the one as well. Also he didn't say "All universes" he just said "the whole universe" as in just U10. So you think there were like 10 Kaioshins on U10? Doesn't seem too factible IMO. While it doesn't say Gowasu is connected to a GoD, it's implied the only serious threats to Black's plans were the Destruction Gods, so he took them out by proxy. Never mind the fact that in the present timeline, only Gowasu is shown. So, if another Kais ever existed on U10, it clearly wasn't Black/Zamasu who killed them. Context is very important here. So it sounds a bit non-sensical, despite saying "whole universe" (also remember that translations from Japanese aren't 100% literal) to only refer to U10, while they're actually wrecking Havoc in U7. It's obvious they didn't plan to cleanse U10 only. Their plans are on a multi-verse scale.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 22:44:40 GMT
Except all that means is that there were multiple Kaioshins we didn't see in U10 that also existed. It doesn't specifically say Gowasu is connected to a GoD. Any of the other Kaioshins could have been the one as well. Also he didn't say "All universes" he just said "the whole universe" as in just U10. So you think there were like 10 Kaioshins on U10? Doesn't seem too factible IMO. While it doesn't say Gowasu is connected to a GoD, it's implied the only serious threats to Black's plans were the Destruction Gods, so he took them out by proxy. Context is very important here. So it sounds a bit non-sensical, despite saying "whole universe" (also remember that translations from Japanese aren't 100% literal) to only refer to U10, while they're actually wrecking Havoc only in U7. It's obvious their plans have a multi-verse scale. True but jumping to assumptions that just because he killed Gowasu that means he was linked to a GoD when we don't have hard evidence showing that and ignoring the fact it showed multiple silhouettes during that scenes leads me to believe that it's possible another Kaioshin was connected and Zamasu wasn't sure which one. And it's always possible he killed Gowasu because he was personally angry at him for holding him back all that time etc. Not to mention if he HAD killed all gods in the multiverse wouldn't Zeno have intervened? Or the other god that led them to meet Zeno? Don't tell me he just sat back and watched that whole time. During the tournament there were like 2-3 Kaioshins in attendance on Champa's side. Before Buu killed/absorbed them there were at least 5 Supreme Kais in U6. So why is more than 1 or 2 for U10 so hard to imagine?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 22:47:08 GMT
So you think there were like 10 Kaioshins on U10? Doesn't seem too factible IMO. While it doesn't say Gowasu is connected to a GoD, it's implied the only serious threats to Black's plans were the Destruction Gods, so he took them out by proxy. Context is very important here. So it sounds a bit non-sensical, despite saying "whole universe" (also remember that translations from Japanese aren't 100% literal) to only refer to U10, while they're actually wrecking Havoc only in U7. It's obvious their plans have a multi-verse scale. True but jumping to assumptions that just because he killed Gowasu that means he was linked to a GoD when we don't have hard evidence showing that and ignoring the fact it showed multiple silhouettes during that scenes leads me to believe that it's possible another Kaioshin was connected and Zamasu wasn't sure which one. And it's always possible he killed Gowasu because he was personally angry at him for holding him back all that time etc. Not to mention if he HAD killed all gods in the multiverse wouldn't Zeno have intervened? Or the other god that led them to meet Zeno? Don't tell me he just sat back and watched that whole time. I edited my post because I forgot something very important: No other Kaioshins are shown in present timeline besides Gowasu. So if anything killed them, it wasn't Zamasu/Black. So it couldn't have been refering to them. If they still existed on the present timeline, then it should have already been due time for them to appear, given that big shit is happening (Gowasu's attempted murder, etc..) On Champa's universe there's a single Kaioshin (the fat one). The skinny dude with the hat is an apprentice like Zamasu or Kibito. You can see by their earrings and slightly different sach knot:
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 22:49:47 GMT
True but jumping to assumptions that just because he killed Gowasu that means he was linked to a GoD when we don't have hard evidence showing that and ignoring the fact it showed multiple silhouettes during that scenes leads me to believe that it's possible another Kaioshin was connected and Zamasu wasn't sure which one. And it's always possible he killed Gowasu because he was personally angry at him for holding him back all that time etc. Not to mention if he HAD killed all gods in the multiverse wouldn't Zeno have intervened? Or the other god that led them to meet Zeno? Don't tell me he just sat back and watched that whole time. I edited my post because I forgot something very important: No other Kaioshins are shown in present timeline besides Gowasu. So if anything killed them, it wasn't Zamasu/Black. So it couldn't have been refering to them. If they still existed on the present timeline, then it should have already been due time for them to appear, given that big shit is happening (Gowasu's attempted murder, etc..) In present timeline for U10? Just because Gowasu is the only one shown does not mean there are not more. Also I edited my post as well just fyi
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 22:53:10 GMT
I edited my post because I forgot something very important: No other Kaioshins are shown in present timeline besides Gowasu. So if anything killed them, it wasn't Zamasu/Black. So it couldn't have been refering to them. If they still existed on the present timeline, then it should have already been due time for them to appear, given that big shit is happening (Gowasu's attempted murder, etc..) In present timeline for U10? Just because Gowasu is the only one shown does not mean there are not more. Also I edited my post as well just fyi If there were more Kaioshins alive on U10, I think they'd have already showed up. Many big shit has happened: Gowasu attempted murder, etc etc... And as for Zeno... Well. If he had noticed we would simply not have a Zamasu saga. For now, let's just call that plot convenience, that is, until (if) we get more information. Also, I do not think I am jumping to any assumptions regarding that not only Shin is linked to Beerus, but all Kaioshins are linked to Destruction Gods: Whiss spoke pretty generally there. Not specifically regarding Beerus. I am not sure how reliable is the Manga vs. the Anime but this is pretty important information, so I don't think Toyotaro just invented it.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 23:00:37 GMT
And I just found another gem: At this point, "assumption" is a very big understatement. "I've already erradicated all of the supreme kais of the all other universes = no gods of destruction exist here anymore"
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:04:06 GMT
In present timeline for U10? Just because Gowasu is the only one shown does not mean there are not more. Also I edited my post as well just fyi If there were more Kaioshins alive on U10, I think they'd have already showed up. Many big shit has happened: Gowasu attempted murder, etc etc... And as for Zeno... Well. If he had noticed we would simply not have a Zamasu saga. For now, let's just call that plot convenience, that is, until (if) we get more information. Also, I do not think I am jumping to any assumptions regarding that not only Shin is linked to Beerus, but all Kaioshins are linked to Destruction Gods: Whiss spoke pretty generally there. Not specifically regarding Beerus. I am not sure how reliable is the Manga vs. the Anime but this is pretty important information, so I don't think Toyotaro just invented it. Problem is every time Beerus or Champa are talked about they are referred to as THE GoD of U6/U7 not ONE OF the GoD. And Whis saying what he says doesn't lend any more credence to this idea that there are more than one GoD for a given universe. We don't know how big the hierarchy is beyond Zeno and his guards + the attendant god (I forget his name) but it's safe to say Zeno and the attendant god are aware of this. Whis is aware. And I'm sure the other Supreme Kais were also probably aware when they were alive.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:06:03 GMT
And I just found another gem: At this point, "assumption" is a very big understatement. "I've already erradicated all of the supreme kais of the all other universes = no gods of destruction exist here anymore"Ok then he did kill all of the gods. However this still does not change the fact you are assuming Gowasu is linked to a GoD. So unless you have another image from the manga I don't think you can reconcile this.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 23:07:45 GMT
And I just found another gem: At this point, "assumption" is a very big understatement. "I've already erradicated all of the supreme kais of the all other universes = no gods of destruction exist here anymore"Ok then he did kill all of the gods. However this still does not change the fact you are assuming Gowasu is linked to a GoD. So unless you have another image from the manga I don't think you can reconcile this. Sorry, but at this point it is you who is assuming (for a reason I don't know) that for some reason Gowasu isn't linked to a GoD. Why wouldn't he be? He's a Kaioshin. Both Whis and Black stated that when a Kaioshin dies, so does their respective Destruction God. Why would Gowasu be any different? I guess in the case of being more Kaioshins alive, (as in the case of U7 before Majin Buu) some can be killed and the GoD survives, but once the last remaining one dies, so does the GoD. So in this case, whether Gowasu is directly linked to a GoD depends if he's the last remaining Kaioshin in his Universe or not. But thus far I'll believe the same unless another Kaioshin from U10 appears in the next chapters. This is also indirectly solved in the Manga. Beerus died because Shin died, and the Z-sword (containing the Old Kai) was desintegrated, and therefore died too. Perhaps Beerus would have survived if the Z-Sword wasn't completely vaporized.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:11:17 GMT
Ok then he did kill all of the gods. However this still does not change the fact you are assuming Gowasu is linked to a GoD. So unless you have another image from the manga I don't think you can reconcile this. Sorry, but at this point it is you who is assuming (for a reason I don't know) that for some reason Gowasu isn't linked to a GoD. Why wouldn't he be? He's a Kaioshin. Both Whis and Black stated that when a Kaioshin dies, so does their respective Destruction God. Why would Gowasu be any different? Is this referring to the image of Whis you just linked? Because to my knowledge 'Shin' isn't his real name and he uses his title as his name. So it could be that Whis is referring to the Supreme Kai linked to Beerus specifically not just a general reference to all Supreme Kai. Also there is no evidence that I've seen showing that there is more than one GoD for a given universe or that all Supreme Kai are linked to a GoD. So when you make a claim that Gowasu is, then yes you're assuming it.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:12:58 GMT
Also do we know Gowasu is the "angel" to a God of Destruction? Cuz we don't know there are other Supreme Kai's in U10 He must be paired with some God of destruction (which we haven't seen yet and his existence has already been jeopardized many times by proxy, through Gowasu) but he is no "angel". In the context Shin used it, Angel = Assistant. Sort of like Whis and Vados. It also seems these guys are never replaced, and when a new god of destruction appears, they automatically reactivate. I expressed disbelief that Gowasu was linked to a GoD. This is you making a claim he is directly linked to a GoD. Hence you are making the assumption. You have the burden of proof here. Not I.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 23:13:25 GMT
Sorry, but at this point it is you who is assuming (for a reason I don't know) that for some reason Gowasu isn't linked to a GoD. Why wouldn't he be? He's a Kaioshin. Both Whis and Black stated that when a Kaioshin dies, so does their respective Destruction God. Why would Gowasu be any different? Is this referring to the image of Whis you just linked? Because to my knowledge 'Shin' isn't his real name and he uses his title as his name. So it could be that Whis is referring to the Supreme Kai linked to Beerus specifically not just a general reference to all Supreme Kai. Also there is no evidence that I've seen showing that there is more than one GoD for a given universe or that all Supreme Kai are linked to a GoD. So when you make a claim that Gowasu is, then yes you're assuming it. I never said there were more than one Destruction God per universe. I think you misread something or are seriously misunderstanding me. If not all Destruction Gods are linked to some Kai, then Black and Whis' statements make zero sense. But now, this is no longer my issue, but one of the continuity of the manga.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:20:04 GMT
Ok then he did kill all of the gods. However this still does not change the fact you are assuming Gowasu is linked to a GoD. So unless you have another image from the manga I don't think you can reconcile this. Sorry, but at this point it is you who is assuming (for a reason I don't know) that for some reason Gowasu isn't linked to a GoD. Why wouldn't he be? He's a Kaioshin. Both Whis and Black stated that when a Kaioshin dies, so does their respective Destruction God. Why would Gowasu be any different?I guess in the case of being more Kaioshins alive, (as in the case of U7 before Majin Buu) some can be killed and the GoD survives, but once the last remaining one dies, so does the GoD. So in this case, whether Gowasu is directly linked to a GoD depends if he's the last remaining Kaioshin in his Universe or not. But thus far I'll believe the same unless another Kaioshin from U10 appears in the next chapters. This is also indirectly solved in the Manga. Beerus died because Shin died, and the Z-sword (containing the Old Kai) was desintegrated, and therefore died too. Perhaps Beerus would have survived if the Z-Sword wasn't completely vaporized. In bold you basically said all Kaioshin are tethered to a GoD. Are you saying they're all tethered to ONE GoD? Or each is tethered to their own?
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 23:23:12 GMT
Sorry, but at this point it is you who is assuming (for a reason I don't know) that for some reason Gowasu isn't linked to a GoD. Why wouldn't he be? He's a Kaioshin. Both Whis and Black stated that when a Kaioshin dies, so does their respective Destruction God. Why would Gowasu be any different?I guess in the case of being more Kaioshins alive, (as in the case of U7 before Majin Buu) some can be killed and the GoD survives, but once the last remaining one dies, so does the GoD. So in this case, whether Gowasu is directly linked to a GoD depends if he's the last remaining Kaioshin in his Universe or not. But thus far I'll believe the same unless another Kaioshin from U10 appears in the next chapters. This is also indirectly solved in the Manga. Beerus died because Shin died, and the Z-sword (containing the Old Kai) was desintegrated, and therefore died too. Perhaps Beerus would have survived if the Z-Sword wasn't completely vaporized. In bold you basically said all Kaioshin are tethered to a GoD. Are you saying they're all tethered to ONE GoD? Or each is tethered to their own? I'll try to explain as best as I can: A Destruction God of every Universe is linked to all its existing Kais. Meaning, that if there are 4, 3 may die, and as long as one survives, the GoD will keep being alive and well. Hence why I said that unless there are more alive Kaioshins in U10 (which we haven't seen yet) it would directly mean Gowasu is linked to a GoD. If there's another Kaioshin in existence, then it would be no big deal if Gowasu dies, as the life link with the Destruction God of U10 would be still safe with the other (unseen) Kaioshin. This is why Beerus didn't die during Majin Buu's initial attack despite 4 Kais died. He also didn't die during the time Old Kai gave his life to Goku, because the link with Kibitoshin (who was alive the whole time) was still healthy. Now, before you say anything: this post now is indeed pure assumption (unlike the previous ones) but not a totally unfounded one. With this sort of dynamic, both Whis and Black's statements make perfect sense, regardless if certain universes have more than one Kai. This is also why Beerus didn't die during Majin Buu initial rampage. It also doesn't imply that multiple Destruction Gods have to exist per universe in case there are more than one KAI, as all would be linked to one. I for one do not believe there can be multiple Destruction Gods per Universe. We already saw U7 had multiple Kaioshins in Z, but thus far, the other universes in DBsuper have shown to have only one. I believe it's possible U12, U2, U3 may have 3 or 4 Kaioshins or more, but not the existing ones we've seen (u10/u6). In fact, Universe 7 has de-facto 2 Kaioshins (the old one and shin). If what I'm saying here proves to be true, it wouldn't be a big deal if Shin gets hurt in the Mirai world.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:32:01 GMT
In bold you basically said all Kaioshin are tethered to a GoD. Are you saying they're all tethered to ONE GoD? Or each is tethered to their own? I'll try to explain as best as I can: A Destruction God of every Universe is linked to all its existing Kais. Meaning, that if there are 4, 3 may die, and as long as one survives, the GoD will keep being alive and well. Hence why I said that unless there are more alive Kaioshins in U10 (which we haven't seen yet) it would directly mean Gowasu is linked to a GoD. If there's another Kaioshin in existence, then it would be no big deal if Gowasu dies, as the life link with the Destruction God of U10 would be still safe with the other (unseen) Kaioshin. This is why Beerus didn't die during Majin Buu's initial attack despite 4 Kais died. He also didn't die during the time Old Kai gave his life to Goku, because the link with Kibitoshin (who was alive the whole time) was still healthy. Now, before you say anything: this post now is indeed pure assumption (unlike the previous ones) but not a totally unfounded one. With this sort of dynamic, both Whis and Black's statements make perfect sense, regardless if certain universes have more than one Kai. It also doesn't imply that multiple Destruction Gods have to exist per universe in case there are more than one KAI, as all would be linked to one. I for one do not believe there can be multiple Destruction Gods per Universe. We already saw U7 had multiple Kaioshins in Z, but thus far, the other universes in DBsuper have shown to have only one. I believe it's possible U12, U2, U3 may have 3 or 4 Kaioshins or more, but not the existing ones we've seen (u10/u6). In fact, Universe 7 has de-facto 2 Kaioshins (the old one and shin). If what I'm saying here proves to be true, it wouldn't be a big deal if Shin gets hurt in the Mirai world. Ok now we're getting somewhere. While I am not in total agreement because we don't have confirmation that it is an all Kai are linked to the one GoD situation. It would make sense in Shin's case. However as I said we still don't know if there are other Kaioshin in U10. If he truly was the last one wouldn't the GoD be contacted by Gowasu to let him know he is in danger? Or have made some kind of appearance or effort to help out in the matter? While it could be just an oversight on the writer's end it could also be that the U10 GoD/Gowasu isn't too worried about it because there are other Kaioshins to keep him alive. Just my 2 cents. Glad we made this a bit less confusing now lol
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 25, 2016 23:38:34 GMT
I'll try to explain as best as I can: A Destruction God of every Universe is linked to all its existing Kais. Meaning, that if there are 4, 3 may die, and as long as one survives, the GoD will keep being alive and well. Hence why I said that unless there are more alive Kaioshins in U10 (which we haven't seen yet) it would directly mean Gowasu is linked to a GoD. If there's another Kaioshin in existence, then it would be no big deal if Gowasu dies, as the life link with the Destruction God of U10 would be still safe with the other (unseen) Kaioshin. This is why Beerus didn't die during Majin Buu's initial attack despite 4 Kais died. He also didn't die during the time Old Kai gave his life to Goku, because the link with Kibitoshin (who was alive the whole time) was still healthy. Now, before you say anything: this post now is indeed pure assumption (unlike the previous ones) but not a totally unfounded one. With this sort of dynamic, both Whis and Black's statements make perfect sense, regardless if certain universes have more than one Kai. It also doesn't imply that multiple Destruction Gods have to exist per universe in case there are more than one KAI, as all would be linked to one. I for one do not believe there can be multiple Destruction Gods per Universe. We already saw U7 had multiple Kaioshins in Z, but thus far, the other universes in DBsuper have shown to have only one. I believe it's possible U12, U2, U3 may have 3 or 4 Kaioshins or more, but not the existing ones we've seen (u10/u6). In fact, Universe 7 has de-facto 2 Kaioshins (the old one and shin). If what I'm saying here proves to be true, it wouldn't be a big deal if Shin gets hurt in the Mirai world. Ok now we're getting somewhere. While I am not in total agreement because we don't have confirmation that it is an all Kai are linked to the one GoD situation. It would make sense in Shin's case. However as I said we still don't know if there are other Kaioshin in U10. If he truly was the last one wouldn't the GoD be contacted by Gowasu to let him know he is in danger? Or have made some kind of appearance or effort to help out in the matter? While it could be just an oversight on the writer's end it could also be that the U10 GoD/Gowasu isn't too worried about it because there are other Kaioshins to keep him alive. Just my 2 cents. Glad we made this a bit less confusing now lol I thought the same initially. I thought "why haven't seen U10 destruction god yet?". This dude's existence (whoever he is) would already have been jeopardized multiple times in the last chapters in case Gowasu is the last remaining Kaioshin. But it could be due to diverse reasons: A) Maybe he's like Beerus and likes to sleep for long times (quite cheap cop-out) B) He's probably very territorial and would have been angry to know Beerus and Whis are meddling in his Universe Maybe at the end of the saga we're going to see him? If he was introduced in the episode where Present Zamasu gets killed, it would have been perfect. In fact, it'd have been even more badass if it was the U10 Destruction God who pulverized him and not Beerus.
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Post by Archon on Oct 25, 2016 23:50:46 GMT
Ok now we're getting somewhere. While I am not in total agreement because we don't have confirmation that it is an all Kai are linked to the one GoD situation. It would make sense in Shin's case. However as I said we still don't know if there are other Kaioshin in U10. If he truly was the last one wouldn't the GoD be contacted by Gowasu to let him know he is in danger? Or have made some kind of appearance or effort to help out in the matter? While it could be just an oversight on the writer's end it could also be that the U10 GoD/Gowasu isn't too worried about it because there are other Kaioshins to keep him alive. Just my 2 cents. Glad we made this a bit less confusing now lol I thought the same initially. I thought "why haven't seen U10 destruction god yet?". This dude's existence (whoever he is) would already have been jeopardized multiple times in the last chapters in case Gowasu is the last remaining Kaioshin. But it could be due to diverse reasons: A) Maybe he's like Beerus and likes to sleep for long times (quite cheap cop-out) B) He's probably very territorial and would have been angry to know Beerus and Whis are meddling in his Universe Maybe at the end of the saga we're going to see him? If he was introduced in the episode where Present Zamasu gets killed, it would have been perfect. In fact, it'd have been even more badass if it was the U10 Destruction God who pulverized him and not Beerus. But wouldn't he have a Whis - like counterpart to wake him? And if he was territorial that'd almost guarantee he'd show up and tell Beerus to gtfo lol
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Oct 26, 2016 0:06:45 GMT
I thought the same initially. I thought "why haven't seen U10 destruction god yet?". This dude's existence (whoever he is) would already have been jeopardized multiple times in the last chapters in case Gowasu is the last remaining Kaioshin. But it could be due to diverse reasons: A) Maybe he's like Beerus and likes to sleep for long times (quite cheap cop-out) B) He's probably very territorial and would have been angry to know Beerus and Whis are meddling in his Universe Maybe at the end of the saga we're going to see him? If he was introduced in the episode where Present Zamasu gets killed, it would have been perfect. In fact, it'd have been even more badass if it was the U10 Destruction God who pulverized him and not Beerus. But wouldn't he have a Whis - like counterpart to wake him? And if he was territorial that'd almost guarantee he'd show up and tell Beerus to gtfo lolHe should have an angel, but you know... Beerus wasn't awaken when the Majin Buu sheanigans happened. I really hope the bolded happens in a later episode. U10 Destruction God telling Beerus to fuck off back to his universe and mind his own business (although ironically, it's thanks to Beerus' meddling he's still alive, if we consider Gowasu the last remaining Kaioshin of such universe).
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Post by Archon on Oct 26, 2016 0:35:10 GMT
But wouldn't he have a Whis - like counterpart to wake him? And if he was territorial that'd almost guarantee he'd show up and tell Beerus to gtfo lolHe should have an angel, but you know... Beerus wasn't awaken when the Majin Buu sheanigans happened. I really hope the bolded happens in a later episode. U10 Destruction God telling Beerus to fuck off back to his universe and mind his own business (although ironically, it's thanks to Beerus' meddling he's still alive, if we consider Gowasu the last remaining Kaioshin of such universe). It would be fitting a GoD because they're all tsundere and can't properly thank others lmao But to be fair Beerus not showing up during Majin Buu is something I think we can excuse because Beerus or GoDs weren't even conceived back in DBZ. Although it WOULD be interesting to hear the explanation from Beerus or Whis.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 31, 2016 6:25:40 GMT
Posted in the other thread. Easy to mistake one another, just like Goku and Goku Black. Lol. Episode 64 1. Wait Zamasu and Black weren't angry before? Say what? 2. So Black decided to stab himself... then forged a scythe. So he's pulling weapons out of his own body... sounds familiar. 3. Black's energy rip. "Even I don't know." That basically sums up every DBZ villain who's testing their power and doesn't give af to the effects of their moves. I applaud thee. 4. We got ghost Goku Black's... sounds like the Hatchiyack. DBM has their match Gast vs Raichi. Coincidence? I think not!!! 5. Trunk's Mafuba... wait a minute... that must mean... in DBM: FUTURE TRUNKS IS GINYU!!! Jk, it was hilarious how he posed like Ginyu and didn't even think they were funny poses XD Mai:None of these poses are doing anything. Me: Keep telling yourself that Mai 6. What the hell or who the hell did Piccolo use the Mafuba on? Krillin? 7. Bulma just downgraded the respect of Roshi on the Mafuba to the point it was a silly Ginyu pose... Bulma what's wrong with you!? You just took one of the most intense moments in DB and made it a joke. 8. Bulma's flirting... if it failed this much on Zamasu, a Kaioshin, imagine what would've happened back in BoG on Beerus, a Hakaishin (sorry if I spelled it wrong.) 9. So Zamasu did a deja vu with Bulma's mother. without the blast... nice. 10. Trunks' mafuba... Fucking epic, even better with the speech and Desperate Assault sound track... Crowning moment for this viewer. 11. Fucking damnit Goku, just why!?!?!? WHY DID YOU FORGET THE FUCKING PAPER SEAL!? THERE GOES AN EPIC ENDING WITH A MAFUBA 12. Zamasu's fusion... yeah we saw this coming. Looks like he retained his mind just like his individual self... erm... which Zamasu's mind is the dominant one or does it not really matter at this point? Lol.
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