Dragon Ball Super Manga Thread (SPOILERS)

The fandom was going nuts for this chapter. People love the Broly and Vegeta training and Goku meeting with Gohan after sensing his new power. People are speculating they will fight. I’m not sure what this next arc is going to be. I doubt it is going to be Red Ribbon focused one again. The survivors can’t do much more at this point. I am still not entirely sure if this is going to be Black Freeza arc people have been dying for though.

I still don’t really think Goku and the others have caught up to Freeza’s level yet. Unless this arc will be team effort of Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Piccolo, and Gohan working together to defeat a stronger enemy with team work.

I’ll be honest I was way more hyped for sparing match with Goten and Trunks than Goku. That got my hopes up that we will see more from those two. I loved it was revealed they are training again. The sparing match was fun, even if they didn’t really stand a chance. It would have been neat to reveal they learned to go SS2 on their own though. I am getting my hopes up that we will have more characters beyond Goku and Vegeta doing things again.

I rolled my eyes at yet another failed fusion. I would have loved to seen an Adult Gotenks who was a little more serious. I get annoyed when writers keep Trunks and Goten as eternal children who can never be serious. It feels like it punishes them for being childish in the Buu arc, but they were children. Just because they messed up back then doesn’t mean they will never grow up. Keeping Gotenks purely as a gag is a symptom of this problem. Gohan has the same problem. He slacked off one time in Cell and Buu and now that is all Toriyama remembers him for and he keeps repeating the same cycle. I am hoping we actually move away from the frozen status quo for the hybrid Saiyans. It gets annoying than anything else. If he wants to keep Goku and Vegeta on top just have it so Gohan just trains enough to stay relevant, but stays #3 because he isn’t training nearly as much as those two.

Goku and Gohan sparing is fine so far. It’ll be glad when it is over so the fandom can stop arguing over who is stronger. We all know even if Gohan is somehow as strong or stronger than Goku that he is going to fall behind again. No point in getting upset over it. It is the same for the people pissy that Beerus is still the strongest. He is going to remain out of reach for Goku and Vegeta no matter how much they train until they want to end new DB stuff. It makes no sense bowling upset over Beerus remaining on top.

Exactly. They could have just not had them fuse or Vegeta told them not to so they can test their own individual strength just in case they cannot fuse. Or they could have just fused perfectly, we get to see Adult Gotenks. We all expect him to be a brat and we get surprised that he doesn’t and actually gives Gohan a good fight and forces him to resort to Ultimate/Mystic, which by the way a real missed opportunity for a gag on Gohan’s form fan name and games name for it, and we get a good Mystic Gohan and SS3 Gotenks fight.

Gotenks could actually mature and grow with his components. It blows my mind how DB creators, both fans and officials, can’t see that and keep him as a joke. We don’t need to keep Goten and Trunks as kids lol. Say what you want about DBGT, but at least it made Present Trunks a functional adult even if he wasn’t as cool as Future Trunks. It wouldn’t be hard to get people to love them, by letting them be a little more serious, give them some unique moves, and have some good fights and I bet people would turn around on them even if they stay secondary characters who only show up for fights against secondary villains at best.

Anybody know why people are suddenly speculating we are going to get Orange Piccoli vs Ultra Ego Vegeta anytime soon? I think two videos popped up in my YouTube feed for some reason.

I guess Goku is supposed to me more confused about why both Gohan and Piccolo are going to pick up bread? Because "pan" is Japanese for bread, or something?

Red Ribbon Army subplot felt random to be honest. I suppose it was meant to be humorous to show these guys they were clearly outclassed and have them reform though. I felt that might have been better placed during the Superhero retelling IMO. The sparring match was fun. It gave both Goku and Gohan some stand out moments and is at least trying to distinguish Beast as its own thing, different from the Super Saiyan forms or the Divine Techniques. It doesn't change it is still a ill-defined and established form, but it continues Super era's attempt to give the characters their own customized abilities/forms. I also like we finally have Gohan and Broly comparison being made in canon. They are both prodigies who unlock their hidden power through anger. The big Saiyan duel at the end was nice fun, although I can understand people being disappointed Vegeta didn't get a featured fight with Gohan, unlike Goten, Trunks, Goku, and Broly. 

The Pan gag was just another attempt at a gag about how dense Goku is. I understand that, but again it is like the Trunks and Goten joke of not being able to sense ki. I know it is there for laughs, but it does stick with fans who then believe this is part of the characters. Trunks and Goten are so lazy or degraded in skills so bad that they can't sense ki properly anymore. There are ways to have Goku is dense gags without hurting the character. While I understand Goku was never as righteous or heroic as the old Funimation dub made him out to be, he was never outright stupid, just naive based on his secluded upbringing. When the late Toriyama used to say Goku was never as heroic or he doesn't understand family and sees Gohan, Chi-chi, Goten, as companions I truly felt that was a case of him misremembering the character he wrote.

I like a Goku is a bad father joke as much as the next person, and he has made some genuine mistakes with his children but read the original manga Goku never forgets his family and is shown to love them more than his friends. Goku is always made sure Gohan was alright when he entered a battle or made sure to reassure him. I don't think it fits Goku's character to forget Pan, at least in the sense that he has a granddaughter. I think a better gag that will fit Goku better is if he thinks Pan is in the same high school as Goten and Trunks and thinks kids all go to the same high school, and for Gohan and the others to be shocked an how Goku thinks Pan is in high school instead of pre-school. It fits Goku's ignorance of the wider world due to his unusual upbringing, while not resorting to the tired well of Goku is just stupid and bad family man. Those are just my thoughts anyway.