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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Nov 2, 2016 18:00:55 GMT
Hey everyone this is my first time on the forum so greetings to all. I've been reading the forums for awhile and I'm enjoying myself, a lot of insightful reading and a very non-toxic environment. So i decided to make a thread discussing U16 Pan's power level.
In DBM I'm going to assume she's at a FPSS Goku level from the Cell Games since she gave Bojack a hard time before he transformed and was able to land a hit onto U13 SSJ2 Vegeta (even though it was a sneak attack.) But if DBM incorporates genetics as a basis of where a person gets their power (Bra for example having her large amount of power being the daughter of vegito) why is Pan only at the level she's at now if she is the daughter of Gohan, a man who was stronger than most participants at the tournament at the age of 11 when facing Cell as a SSJ2. I understand she's far more powerful than U18 Pan but having being trained by Vegito for years alongside Bra as well as be trained by her father and piccolo (since in the novelization I believe she used one of his techniques) why is that she only at a SSJ level. If it were me I'd place her at a low tier SSJ2.
Your thoughts on the topic would be much appreciated!
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Post by Drakthul on Nov 2, 2016 18:17:20 GMT
She's the appropriate power level for her role in her universe and storyline, sure.
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Post by Ashanark on Nov 2, 2016 18:37:40 GMT
Welcome to the forum, Sunny101!
I think U16 Pan's at about the highest level of power she can be at without making people suspicious. If she'd reached SS2 (like Bra did), people would be wondering just what on earth a child in a time of peace was doing to get so strong. As for the genetics thing...I don't think Trunks and Goten actually got any sort of strength boost from their dads; I think it was just easier for them to go SS as kids because of how far their dads had progressed. Going by that logic, Pan wouldn't be any extra strong either, but it's hard to tell. Pan at the EoZ seemed pretty beastly for a 4-year old, but DBM has kind of dialed that down (compared to Super, who's played it up.) It could also be that only being 1/4 Saiyan dilutes the blood too much. There's really not that much information on it all.
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Post by The Masterman on Nov 2, 2016 19:36:55 GMT
Considering she has trained with Vegitto and Bra I think so, I think she'd easily hit SS2 before adulthood.
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Nov 2, 2016 21:02:46 GMT
Thanks for the warm welcomes lol and i can accept that her powerlevel is at a decent level for the comic. Its just if she had training from the most powerful man in the universe you'd think their power would show from it.
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 2, 2016 21:54:49 GMT
I think Pan not being SS2 stems from Salagiri's desire to return the Super Saiyan levels to being difficult to achieve. Toriyama kind of made it easy to obtain with Trunks and Goten back in Buu arc since they just did it without emotional breakthrough or intense situations that Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan went through. U16 Pan probably only being SS1 was probably meant to be that Pan had seen some action enough to where she would unlock Super Saiyan after some time, but not enough action to unlock SS2 yet. It contrasts Gohan's childhood. Pan lived in relative peace and probably didn't start to be in life and death battles until Vegetto allowed her to go on missions with him and Bra, while Gohan was forced into these type of battles since he was 5 years old thus thrown into situations where his power got to blossom.
U16 Pan is strong for all we know she could have only achieved Super Saiyan form a month before the tournament started. Her not being SS2 could make perfect sense for her. The way she treated her battle with Bojack it seemed like she hadn't grasped this battle could easily be to the death, which is what her dad tried to warn her about. Gohan learn that lesson the hard way when he saw four grown men with loads more experience than him killed in brutal ways at the age of 5.
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Post by SSJ4 GOD Multi on Nov 2, 2016 22:06:25 GMT
Okay that makes more sense now lol
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Post by mbg on Nov 3, 2016 0:05:50 GMT
I think Pan not being SS2 stems from Salagiri's desire to return the Super Saiyan levels to being difficult to achieve. Toriyama kind of made it easy to obtain with Trunks and Goten back in Buu arc since they just did it without emotional breakthrough or intense situations that Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan went through. U16 Pan probably only being SS1 was probably meant to be that Pan had seen some action enough to where she would unlock Super Saiyan after some time, but not enough action to unlock SS2 yet. It contrasts Gohan's childhood. Pan lived in relative peace and probably didn't start to be in life and death battles until Vegetto allowed her to go on missions with him and Bra, while Gohan was forced into these type of battles since he was 5 years old thus thrown into situations where his power got to blossom. U16 Pan is strong for all we know she could have only achieved Super Saiyan form a month before the tournament started. Her not being SS2 could make perfect sense for her. The way she treated her battle with Bojack it seemed like she hadn't grasped this battle could easily be to the death, which is what her dad tried to warn her about. Gohan learn that lesson the hard way when he saw four grown men with loads more experience than him killed in brutal ways at the age of 5. Hell, Future Trunks hasn't hit Super Saiyan 2 yet - he doesn't have a particular reason to do so, as there aren't any outstanding threats, but the fact that he decided to instead focus on mastering Third Grade is a pretty strong sign that it'd be hard for him. (You can argue he should have 2 by now, but I think him having Third Grade made for a more interesting character moment and fighting style.) |
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Post by Son Pan on Nov 3, 2016 4:31:19 GMT
I think Pan not being SS2 stems from Salagiri's desire to return the Super Saiyan levels to being difficult to achieve. Toriyama kind of made it easy to obtain with Trunks and Goten back in Buu arc since they just did it without emotional breakthrough or intense situations that Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan went through. U16 Pan probably only being SS1 was probably meant to be that Pan had seen some action enough to where she would unlock Super Saiyan after some time, but not enough action to unlock SS2 yet. It contrasts Gohan's childhood. Pan lived in relative peace and probably didn't start to be in life and death battles until Vegetto allowed her to go on missions with him and Bra, while Gohan was forced into these type of battles since he was 5 years old thus thrown into situations where his power got to blossom. U16 Pan is strong for all we know she could have only achieved Super Saiyan form a month before the tournament started. Her not being SS2 could make perfect sense for her. The way she treated her battle with Bojack it seemed like she hadn't grasped this battle could easily be to the death, which is what her dad tried to warn her about. Gohan learn that lesson the hard way when he saw four grown men with loads more experience than him killed in brutal ways at the age of 5. Hell, Future Trunks hasn't hit Super Saiyan 2 yet - he doesn't have a particular reason to do so, as there aren't any outstanding threats, but the fact that he decided to instead focus on mastering Third Grade is a pretty strong sign that it'd be hard for him. (You can argue he should have 2 by now, but I think him having Third Grade made for a more interesting character moment and fighting style.) I took it as his time split with helping rebuild his world that he simply couldn't train as intensely as he needs to achieve SS2, unlike say Goku who could train to his heart content in Otherworld during the 7 year time gap to unlock SS2 and SS3. Trunks could probably achieve it if he worked harder, but since he also has to help rebuild his world as well his training progression is a bit slower. Goku and Vegeta are bums who live off their wives' whereas Gohan and Trunks actually have to work to support their families lol. |
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Post by mbg on Nov 3, 2016 5:01:27 GMT
I took it as his time split with helping rebuild his world that he simply couldn't train as intensely as he needs to achieve SS2, unlike say Goku who could train to his heart content in Otherworld during the 7 year time gap to unlock SS2 and SS3. Trunks could probably achieve it if he worked harder, but since he also has to help rebuild his world as well his training progression is a bit slower. Goku and Vegeta are bums who live off their wives' whereas Gohan and Trunks actually have to work to support their families lol. I just find Trunks mastering Third Grade to be funny. It's like everyone around him told him "dude that technique is horrible only a moron would use it" and then he went "fuck you" and raised it and loved it and made it the prettiest Super Saiyan 1 variant at the ball. |
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