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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 10, 2017 0:49:00 GMT
I think the U9 Angel's reaction was due to the fact that he thought Sidra, his GoD, was a "loser" of GoD since he rarely ever destroyed anything. Sidra was very GoD-like and you could say the same thing for Roh not being very Kaioshin-like. Remember that Bergamo mentioned that U9 was a garbage dump-like Universe. It's likely that that is true, because in U9 the Kaioshin and GoD weren't doing their jobs properly. They didn't maintain balance in the Universe like they should have done and as a result it turned out like a garbage dump. Maybe Mojito, the U9 Angel, didn't care for his Universe because of that fact and maybe even thought it deserved to be erased. It was trash and the trash was taken out when Zen-Oh erased it.
As for Grand Priest being a good or bad guy, I think maybe it's possible that he might do the Temporal Do-Over after the tournament is ended to rewind time back to just before the tournament started. Being the Grand Priest and far stronger than Whis, I think he could rewind time further than Whis can and maybe he designed the tournament to last long enough to where he could still safely rewind time back to before it started after the tournament was over. Seeing as Zen-Oh is destroying the Universes as they are eliminated from the ToP, he'll have satisfied his desire to destroy the Universes at that point, so maybe Zen-Oh would be fine with the Universes coming back via time having been rewound to before he destroyed them.
Another theory I just came up with, is that something happens before the ToP reaches it's end that stops it from continuing and more than 1 Universe survives as a result. Maybe Frieza does something. He did get it in his head that even the GoD's weren't unstoppable. It's possible he might do something before the ToP ends. Though I don't think he'll formulate and enact on his plan that quickly. I think it's likely to happen after the ToP.
I find it hard to believe that U6 is gonna get destroyed and stay destroyed before Vegeta has a chance to visit U6 Planet Salad. Sure there are the Super Dragon Balls, but I think that Super Shenron still has limits on the kinds of wishes he can grant. I just think those limits are around Zen-Oh levels of power, so he can't do things like erasing Zen-Oh, granting people power on a level of Zen-Oh or even close to Zen-Oh, etc. I think it might be that they are unable to reverse that level of erasure or it might even be possible that they can't bring back what no longer exists.
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Post by VoidSlayer on Jul 10, 2017 1:04:16 GMT
I agree- I don't know if all the Angels are involved, because Whis has no problems training Goku and Vegeta which would make perfect sense if his life was on the line, biut since it isn't why would he bother helping them win if it doesn't matter what universe comes out on top? Well, Daishinkan-sama also said "I envy U7. I might visit it one day".
Maybe his grand scheme involves either Goku or U7 as a whole. Or maybe Whis is just his favourite son or something.I had forgotten this- Maybe because of Gokus nature to instinctively make friends with even his worst opponents so they can train together to become stronger without endangering the Earth/Solar System/Galaxy/Universe etc has affected Grand Priest in some way? Maybe he wants to see what makes U7 so special? Either way There's no Doubt Gokus actions have consequences, both good and bad, that are never anticipated because of his very nature.
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Post by Andres on Jul 10, 2017 16:10:40 GMT
I was listening to some music, and then an idea hit me. Maybe not the most logical idea in the omniverse, but I wanted to share it here.
What if the Daishinkan actually made Zeno-sama a child with the power of the Super Dragon Balls? Pretty much like what Pilaf did to himself (and to Goku in GT).
Maybe after Zeno destroyed all the other 6 universes? The Daishinkan, fed up with Zeno's behavior, turned him into a child so he can manipulate him at will in order to preserve the life in the multiverse?
Could the Grand Priest be the greatest hero here, instead of the greatest villain? More than ever, I think Daishinkan-sama is the one who turned Zen-O into a child with the SDB to manipulate him at will. Now, I don't think it was for the greater good. Daishinkan is clearly onto something seriously creepy and/or damaging. I think he might have had this idea for a long, long time and needed permission. He turns Zeno into a child and then easily convinces him to do naughty shit.
Goku's friendship helped all of this, as they now have an excuse to stack universe against universe. All Daishinkan had to do is "My lord, dont you think 12 universes are too many?" And Zeno would go "Yaaaayyyy i think u riteeee"
And badaboom. Bye bye
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Post by Xeno Black on Jul 22, 2017 6:13:26 GMT
Based on the latest episodes, it seems more and more likely that the Grand Priest is a scumbag waiting to be revealed. Those up-close facial screenshots, Mojito's pleasure to see U9 destruction (what he says about it being gone is pure bullshit), and the way how he immediately looks at Goku after seeing U9's demise just tells me he is up to something insidious. Something Big is in the making!
The Grand Priest will definitely make his move once the sole surviving universe wins the tournament. Everything the way it is set up will lead to a major derailment once Super Shenron makes his appearance. I can feel it in my bones. And I believe that almost all of the angels are foul, despite some such as Whis and Martinu appearing otherwise. Honestly I believe they don't give a fuck about their hakaishin or their assigned universe. Vados is a prime example, and even Whis appears like he doesn't care about Beerus too much. Perhaps I am wrong and they might fight for their universe, but I doubt it by this point in time.
As for the two Zeno's, expect them to either be manipulated or killed off sooner or later. Their roles in the Priests chess game will determine the new pecking order immensely. At the very least, I can see one dying at some point. ExtraMore fun pics to showcase the vile nature of the Grand Priest within...
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Post by Axalon on Jul 22, 2017 8:20:33 GMT
Based on the latest episodes, it seems more and more likely that the Grand Priest is a scumbag waiting to be revealed. Those up-close facial screenshots, Mojito's pleasure to see U9 destruction (what he says about it being gone is pure bullshit), and the way how he immediately looks at Goku after seeing U9's demise just tells me he is up to something insidious. I dunno. If I had to listen to U9's Supreme Kai for hundreds if not thousands of years I'd be happy the guy is gone too. The fact that all he did was make a slight grin speaks volumes on Mojito's composure.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 22, 2017 9:15:30 GMT
Based on the latest episodes, it seems more and more likely that the Grand Priest is a scumbag waiting to be revealed. Those up-close facial screenshots, Mojito's pleasure to see U9 destruction (what he says about it being gone is pure bullshit), and the way how he immediately looks at Goku after seeing U9's demise just tells me he is up to something insidious. I dunno. If I had to listen to U9's Supreme Kai for hundreds if not thousands of years I'd be happy the guy is gone too. The fact that all he did was make a slight grin speaks volumes on Mojito's composure.Especially contrasted with some episodes ago, he was seen gritting his teeth in pure frustration. Thus far the only angel to show this kind of behavior. How do you think U3, U4, U2, U10 angels will react to their universes getting deleted? I think U3 angel will certainly be sad and miss his job. He seems not only friendly with his GoD (who will he translate for when he's gone?) but also with his Kaioshin. The scene of them together in U3 made me think they were selecting the fighters together.
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Post by FunnyEvil on Jul 23, 2017 0:32:14 GMT
I think his plan is pretty simple, he just wants to destroy all universes so his angels can be free.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jul 27, 2017 16:31:14 GMT
I honestly think this is all a plan against universe 7. The grand Priest knows how much trouble this universe is causing to the grand scheme. He hopes that U7 will be destroyed. But if it isn't he has his angels free to help him destroy universe 7
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 6, 2017 9:46:20 GMT
Ok, now that 4 universes have been erased, and that we have the (very different reaction) of the respective angels... how does this theory hold up now? I think the idea that at least angels, are evil have pretty much been disproved.
The reactions are the following: -U9: LOL. -U10: She looked pretty depressed -U2: Pretty calm and collected, likely was a bit sad (due to the closed eyes during erasure) but ultimately didn't react much because nothing could be done -U6: She acted a bit jokingly, but I think what she was saying was sincere. Vados was the only angel to actually say goodbye to her GoD by bowing down to him as he was erased
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Post by Xeno Black on Dec 6, 2017 10:00:14 GMT
Ok, now that 4 universes have been erased, and that we have the (very different reaction) of the respective angels... how does this theory hold up now? I think the idea that at least angels, are evil have pretty much been disproved. The reactions are the following: -U9: LOL. -U10: She looked pretty depressed -U2: Pretty calm and collected, likely was a bit sad (due to the closed eyes during erasure) but ultimately didn't react much because nothing could be done -U6: She acted a bit jokingly, but I think what she was saying was sincere. Vados was the only angel to actually say goodbye to her GoD by bowing down to him as he was erased Long as the Grand Priest is still evil, the theory holds. Now his children not being part of the conspiracy will dampen some of the theories branches, but the core will remain. We just have to see how the ToP ends to truly gauge the worth of my theory.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Dec 6, 2017 10:03:45 GMT
Ok, now that 4 universes have been erased, and that we have the (very different reaction) of the respective angels... how does this theory hold up now? I think the idea that at least angels, are evil have pretty much been disproved. The reactions are the following: -U9: LOL. -U10: She looked pretty depressed -U2: Pretty calm and collected, likely was a bit sad (due to the closed eyes during erasure) but ultimately didn't react much because nothing could be done -U6: She acted a bit jokingly, but I think what she was saying was sincere. Vados was the only angel to actually say goodbye to her GoD by bowing down to him as he was erased Long as the Grand Priest is still evil, the theory holds. Now his children not being part of the conspiracy will dampen some of the theories branches, but the core will remain. We just have to see how the ToP ends to truly gauge the worth of my theory. I thought about starting a thread specifically for this, but I think this thread fit the bill anyway.
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Post by Xeno Black on Dec 6, 2017 10:12:20 GMT
Long as the Grand Priest is still evil, the theory holds. Now his children not being part of the conspiracy will dampen some of the theories branches, but the core will remain. We just have to see how the ToP ends to truly gauge the worth of my theory. I thought about starting a thread specifically for this, but I think this thread fit the bill anyway. Please, share your thoughts on the matter. Do you believe that the Grand Priest will do something slick in the end, or it is all hogwash with Toei creating tension for nothing? I still hope that the former is true, otherwise I am just setting myself up for failure. One good twist is all I want in Super, and nothing else. Here is another theory I created that is a off-shot of this thread. Ideally this would be my most preferred form of the coup since it will give birth to a whole new arc in Super. But the stakes and power scaling would be through the roof, even more so the the ToP. But if you do not like Frieza, it would not be your cup of tea so to speak.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 21:57:20 GMT
Here's my theory: After waking up from his napGrand Priest: I just had a dream about the SSJ Omni! The Legendary-est of all the legendary legends that will free the universe from Zeno's tyranny! Goku arrives and brings up the tournament
GP: This will be a perfect opportunity to find the most worthy candidate for SSJ Omni. Let us hope that a universe with a Saiyan is the victor... U7 wins the Tournament of Power and Grand Priest telepathically tells Goku about his planGoku: Hmm if I do that then maybe I could bring back the other universes. Ok I want to learn more about this SSJ Omni! Zeno: Oh what's that? GP: Nothing it's just a very shiny form and you'll like it. Zeno: Ooooohhhh. Super Shenron: To summon the power of SSJ Omni, it requires a planet full of Saiyans pooling their energy together, a virgin sacrifice, a capital letter, lowercase letter, number, symbol... Goku: Wow that's a lot of stuff! Could you just magically activate the form for me? Super Shenron: I don't see why... Goku becomes a SSJ Omni and after an epic battle that destroys the multiverse he defeats the two Zenos.GP: Incredible! The multiverse is saved! Goku: But everything has been destroyed . GP. You don't understand the power of SSJ Omni! You are now omnipotent! Focus your energy and restore the multiverse to its former glory! Goku: Oh ok. Restores the multiverseGoku: Well I guess I'm the strongest now. I'm not sure what to do with my life now. I guess I'll go back to farming. Take care! GP: Wait this is only the beginning! Goku: Beginning...? GP: Zeno is the weakest and youngest member of the Omnijins! The greater Megaverse consists of 42 multiverses and we are the 7th Multiverse. The ruler of the Megaverse is Z, the Omni-God! He will surely come to destroy our multiverse after finding out what had happened. Goku: I thought Zeno was the strongest?! GP: What is an Omni-King to an Omni-God? Goku: You said I was omnipotent or whatever. How could I get stronger than that? GP: You just have to become omnipotent-er! Come, I will take you to the Angel Allfather. Goku: Who is that? GP: He is the father of all the Grand Priests and the grandfather of the Angels. Goku: Ok I guess let's get started. GP: Just be very careful! You're omnipotent now so don't even think about anything bad happening like the multiverse being destroyed again. Multiverse gets destroyed againGP: You thought of it didn't you!? What did I say?! Goku: I wasn't thinking about it but I did when you brought it up! GP: We have a long way to go before your training is complete!
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Post by squirz96 on Jan 11, 2018 4:47:21 GMT
I don't believe that Daishinkan is a big bad of this arc. Why? First of all, Goku with UI power is at the Beerus level of power, maybe little stronger but not by that much. Not even if Jiren and Goku worked as a team could even touch angel tier fighter. Jiren is stated to be stronger than Vermouth (U11 Hakaishin) he was not stated to be stronger than all 12 Hakaishins. We also know that manga is little bit different from anime and in the manga Zeno was the one who proposed idea to destroy universes, not Daishinkan. Now in my theory anime version of U12 Hakaishin is the strongest one and Beerus/Quatela are strongest in the manga. The difference between Haikshin and Tenshi tears are huge and let alone Whis is no way strong enough to fight his power. Heck even if we would involve UI Vegito that won't be enough to destroy Grand Priest, even if he would be stronger the fusion would be too short to even begin a fight.
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Post by Xeno Black on Feb 12, 2018 3:00:28 GMT
As much as it pains me to admit it, this theory is not happening. It my fault for believing in Super. All those subtle hints that something sinister was lurking was all for naught. Bummer.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Feb 12, 2018 3:08:45 GMT
As much as it pains me to admit it, this theory is not happening. It my fault for believing in Super. All those subtle hints that something sinister was lurking was all for naught. Bummer. What if the ToP saga concludes but ends on a massive cliffhanger that would force fans to request the ending after the hiatus? (leads to the next big saga) If this is the case, there is still hope for the Grand Priest to make his move, just wait until the last episode to be proven wrong/right! In fact, I don't think the end of the ToP will be straight forward, rather there will be some sort of "monkey's paw" event that will occur with someone's wish.
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Post by Xeno Black on Feb 12, 2018 3:13:40 GMT
As much as it pains me to admit it, this theory is not happening. It my fault for believing in Super. All those subtle hints that something sinister was lurking was all for naught. Bummer. What if the ToP saga concludes but ends on a massive cliffhanger that would force fans to request the ending after the hiatus? (leads to the next big saga) If this is the case, there is still hope for the Grand Priest to make his move, just wait until the last episode to be proven wrong/right! In fact, I don't think the end of the ToP will be straight forward, rather there will be some sort of "monkey's paw" event that will occur with someone's wish. Possible, but my expectations for it coming to fruition are low. Super rarely delivers the goods, and I expect the same treatment in this case. But if it does happen, I would be happy.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Feb 12, 2018 3:33:14 GMT
It was too good and 90's DC/Marvel like for it to happen in DBsuper. Is anyone else also a bit bummed the non-participating gods of destruction were almost restricted to being background images save for 2-3 episodes? Most of their comments were pointing-the-obvious about what had happened on-screen. No real personal perspective or personality for us to deduce anything substantial. I'm specially disappointed about U12 since the GoD looks bad-ass and they also had a time-traveller there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 18:26:27 GMT
Spoilers for the next saga of DBS after its return! Grand Priest transforms into Grand Pope! Goku unlocks SSJ with the power of Mastered Ultra Instinct aka SSJMUI aka SSJ Rainbow!
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Post by Namikaze on Feb 20, 2018 18:38:09 GMT
So much work, effort and hype was put into this OP only for it to likely lead to nothing. Luckily the manga doesn't have all this vague crap to only make us tune in next chapter. Grand Priest just made that evil-ish grin at Goku because...
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