??????
|
Post by Son Pan on May 22, 2017 20:55:20 GMT
Since Cell can receive zenkai like Saiyans, regenerate like Nameks, and survived harsh environments like the Frost Demons does that mean as he ages he will grow stronger like Frost Demons? Could that be one of the many reasons for his current strength in addition to the training? If Cell was in a time dimension where he spent a hundred years in a single day would that push him to Vegetto levels?
|
|
??????
|
Post by The Retro Kakarotto on May 22, 2017 21:26:42 GMT
That's actually an interesting idea I didn't think of. I'm gonna say Yes it is possible for Cell to age and grow stronger for two reasons. First is Dr. Gero's computer (and the obvious reason). At the time, to optimize his greatest creation in order to defeat Son Goku, he would have to analyze and pluck out the strengths and eliminate weaknesses of his components; such as Kaioken being an inferior technique that could potentially damage or even kill Cell, that was excluded from his moveset. (Iirc, another thread ultimately decided he didn't know Kaioken and was just bluffing. Buuuuut don't quote me on that. ) And if this wasn't glaringly obvious, the computer decides this Cell creation Should have Frieza's traits because it'll maximize Cell's power and survival. Second, the Frost Demon's cells. Saiyans by default are characterized with the Zenkai ability, Namekians with their regeneration. If the Frost Demons are known for surviving horrific injury and space, why exclude their cell's traits of growing stronger with age? In fact my main point here is that if it wasn't included, that would mean the computer spliced Frieza's cells and missed out on an opportunity for the perfect weapon to be as strong as possible.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Griffith on May 22, 2017 22:28:53 GMT
That's actually an interesting idea I didn't think of. I'm gonna say Yes it is possible for Cell to age and grow stronger for two reasons. First is Dr. Gero's computer (and the obvious reason). At the time, to optimize his greatest creation in order to defeat Son Goku, he would have to analyze and pluck out the strengths and eliminate weaknesses of his components; such as Kaioken being an inferior technique that could potentially damage or even kill Cell, that was excluded from his moveset. Kaio Ken is a great move that combined with the Namekian Healing Ability, and the natural durability of the Frost Demons would be unstoppable. In fact, there was essentially no move like it in the entirety of Early Dragon Ball, and the Saiyan Saga. So, I can't see how it would be an inferior technique to everything else. There's probably something else at play with Kaio Ken that inhibits Cell's use of it. I would actually argue that Cell is capable of using the suppression forms, and that his imperfect form, and semi perfect form are in fact suppression forms.
|
|
??????
|
Post by The Retro Kakarotto on May 23, 2017 4:15:25 GMT
That's actually an interesting idea I didn't think of. I'm gonna say Yes it is possible for Cell to age and grow stronger for two reasons. First is Dr. Gero's computer (and the obvious reason). At the time, to optimize his greatest creation in order to defeat Son Goku, he would have to analyze and pluck out the strengths and eliminate weaknesses of his components; such as Kaioken being an inferior technique that could potentially damage or even kill Cell, that was excluded from his moveset. Kaio Ken is a great move that combined with the Namekian Healing Ability, and the natural durability of the Frost Demons would be unstoppable. In fact, there was essentially no move like it in the entirety of Early Dragon Ball, and the Saiyan Saga. So, I can't see how it would be an inferior technique to everything else. There's probably something else at play with Kaio Ken that inhibits Cell's use of it. I would actually argue that Cell is capable of using the suppression forms, and that his imperfect form, and semi perfect form are in fact suppression forms. I like how the part "Don't quote me on that" is missing despite my implied uncertainty of Cell having Kaioken or not; and even then, I'm just using Kaioken as an example for how Dr. Gero's computer did its Anime's Universe Rules Calculations to omit any potential weaknesses for Cell. Cell's Imperfect and Semi-Perfect forms... yeah this is gonna take a lot of space. I'd counter that reasoning with this tidbit: that would imply his Perfect form is the body he was "born" in and that he regressed all the way to the Cicada form for some reason when he first broke out of Dr. Gero's lab. That would've made him an enormous imbecile traveling to another timeline to get a simple power boost just because he felt like he wasn't strong enough. If he really could do a suppression-transformation like Frieza did, then he doesn't need an external source of power/Bio-mass such as 17 and 18 to revert back to his "born" form, or original body.
Now from what we've seen Cell tell us, his Cicada form was what he broke out of Gero's developing chamber so I'm calling that his "baby body" (regardless if you believe in the Embryo/Fetus Life argument, that's besides the point for now). When he physically matures is what becomes his Imperfect form: no further natural augmentations occurs such as Cicada->Imperfect (or with a real life analogy, teen growth to adult growth and he finally stops any noticeable growth patterns in his "stable" adult body).
[If you want to look at his reversion ability from Imperfect to Cicada to fit in the time machine, that just makes the Cicada form his "suppression form." Regardless, this detail can be ignored for now as I'm gonna focus on his SP and P Forms.]
Cell is "stuck" in his Imperfect form and cannot "grow" anymore except into his SP and P Forms that he can't do on his own, and his Cicada form he could do voluntarily; to reach his Semi-Perfect and his Perfect form, he needed to DRINK PEOPLE absorb Cyborgs 17 and 18 since the 600,000 humans wasn't enough to trigger a metamorphosis/transformation to his Semi-Perfect form. As stated above, Frieza's Suppression form didn't need any external influence, so why would Cell need any? This goes back to the Computer eliminating any weakness the components had and maximizing Cell to his natural strength and abilities he could do on his own. To get stronger and/or augment his forms into ones that he couldn't do on his own, he needed 17 and 18 to transform in form and power.
Fast forward to Gohan kicking Cell and he vomits #18. He changed back to his SP Form. Now if he was able to do a suppressed transformation Like Frieza, as you suggested Gog, then losing 17 and 18 would only result in a loss of power, not form. But as we know, Semi Perfect Cell is so weak as shit that he KI-Shat himself when SS2 Gohan was approaching him in a Grim Reaper fasion. He needed 17 and 18 to sustain his form and to power up (the direction, not the anime screaming get stronger trope).
Otherwise, all I see is him with his Cicada form as the debatable Birth-Body, his Imperfect form his "most mature and natural form", his SP and P form his (Power-Up [for lack of a better word... Juiced and Drugged forms]) Transformation forms, not his suppression forms. Suppression forms gives ups the impression he was born Perfect and went back to Imperfect form for shits and giggles.
tl;dr The Retro Kakarotto views Cell's transformation different from Frieza's transformations and that the IP and SP forms are not his suppression forms.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Solus on May 24, 2017 9:06:24 GMT
Maybe Cell has inherited this threat. But neither Freezer nor Cooler did grow significantly stronger until the tournament. So Cell wouldn't either unless this ability would be amplified a lot.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Conqueror Geng on May 24, 2017 15:44:46 GMT
That's actually an interesting idea I didn't think of. I'm gonna say Yes it is possible for Cell to age and grow stronger for two reasons. First is Dr. Gero's computer (and the obvious reason). At the time, to optimize his greatest creation in order to defeat Son Goku, he would have to analyze and pluck out the strengths and eliminate weaknesses of his components; such as Kaioken being an inferior technique that could potentially damage or even kill Cell, that was excluded from his moveset. Kaio Ken is a great move that combined with the Namekian Healing Ability, and the natural durability of the Frost Demons would be unstoppable. In fact, there was essentially no move like it in the entirety of Early Dragon Ball, and the Saiyan Saga. So, I can't see how it would be an inferior technique to everything else. There's probably something else at play with Kaio Ken that inhibits Cell's use of it. I would actually argue that Cell is capable of using the suppression forms, and that his imperfect form, and semi perfect form are in fact suppression forms.No they aren't. Cell doesn't have KI control problems so he doesn't need to downgrade to inferior forms like incompetent mutant fighters do. Cell's forms are more like the lifecycle of an insect than reduction forms. It's more he was missing components (A17 and A18) rather than reducing himself. He doesn't even turn super saiyan so why would he have to use even crappier reduction forms?
|
|
??????
|
Post by Solus on May 24, 2017 17:48:14 GMT
I'm not quite sure, whether Cell turns ssj or not. According to the anime, he has a ssj aura when he powers up. If that wasn't the case, the aura could have any color. Something more fitting for cell like purple or green. But it is yellow. Not sure, if that is an indicator at all or if anime can be trusted in that matter.
|
|
??????
|
Post by Rafael on May 24, 2017 19:54:56 GMT
Since Cell can receive zenkai like Saiyans, regenerate like Nameks, and survived harsh environments like the Frost Demons does that mean as he ages he will grow stronger like Frost Demons? Could that be one of the many reasons for his current strength in addition to the training? If Cell was in a time dimension where he spent a hundred years in a single day would that push him to Vegetto levels? Very likely, I guess, Dr. Gero's super computer supposedly kept the best traits of all of DNAs collected to create Cell so for DBM canon makes perfectly sense Cell getting stronger even if he did nothing and just let the time pass.
|
|