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Post by christhesaiyan on Jul 14, 2017 1:42:53 GMT
Ever since Trunks got his own God form I've been thinking about how cool it would be to see a Future Trunks timeline version of Battle of Gods, where Beerus comes to the future Earth to fight a SSG and finds Future Trunks instead. He senses his SSR form and decides it's close enough and fights him.
If you think about it this could so easily happen in Super's Future Trunks timeline. Beerus's future self is alive now and probably awake so why wouldn't he check out Earth?
Honestly it would suck being in that timeline. First evil Androids destroy nearly all of humanity, then demons show up and try to wake up an evil monster, then a psychotic God and his Saiyan self show up and destroy most of humanity again, then the universe gets erased and reset to an earlier point in time, then a destroyer God who destroys planets because his pudding spilled shows up.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 14, 2017 1:54:36 GMT
Trunks already has interacted with Beerus so he would know how to deal with him and prepare lots of Puddin in advance. Also, it's said Whis spoke to his alternate self and Future Beerus when dropping Trunks there. Both should at least be partially aware of Trunks' existence.
I'd also think that after knowing some psychotic god wrecked his universe after indirectly killing all the Hakaishin Future Beerus would get his shit straight and stop being as lazy/petty.
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Post by christhesaiyan on Jul 14, 2017 1:58:56 GMT
Trunks already has interacted with Beerus so he would know how to deal with him and prepare lots of Puddin in advance. Also, it's said Whis spoke to his alternate self and Future Beerus when dropping Trunks there. Both should at least be partially aware of Trunks' existence. I'd also think that after knowing some psychotic god wrecked his universe after indirectly killing all the Hakaishin Future Beerus would get his shit straight and stop being as lazy/petty. The problem is Future Beerus has never interacted with Future Trunks, so no knowledge of the goodies he'd be destroying would be available to him. Also I doubt he'd care much about the damage Goku Black did, the original timeline Beerus didn't care at all when he found out, he just erased Zamasu and moved on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:10:02 GMT
My guess is that the Beerus in the new timeline where Trunks and Mai were sent to would not see a vision of Super Saiyan God so he would not bother going to Earth. The only reason he went to Earth in the regular timeline is because he learned from Whis that Frieza was killed by a Saiyan and so surmised that this particular Saiyan was the Super Saiyan God he saw in his visions.
In Trunks' timeline, Goku was the one who killed Frieza and King Cold. If Future Beerus were to find out about it when he awakes, he would just dismiss it as a lost cause since Goku is already dead, go on destroying random planets and then go back to sleep, since the new timeline is just an exact replica of the timeline which Future Zen-Oh destroyed but set in a time period before Zamasu could enact his "Zero Mortals Plan".
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Post by christhesaiyan on Jul 14, 2017 2:23:16 GMT
My guess is that the Beerus in the new timeline where Trunks and Mai were sent to would not see a vision of Super Saiyan God so he would not bother going to Earth. The only reason he went to Earth in the regular timeline is because he learned from Whis that Frieza was killed by a Saiyan and so surmised that this particular Saiyan was the Super Saiyan God he saw in his visions. In Trunks' timeline, Goku was the one who killed Frieza and King Cold. If Future Beerus were to find out about it when he awakes, he would just dismiss it as a lost cause since Goku is already dead, go on destroying random planets and then go back to sleep, since the new timeline is just an exact replica of the timeline which Future Zen-Oh destroyed but set in a time period before Zamasu could enact his "Zero Mortals Plan". I'm not so sure about that. Future Beerus also knows that someone from Earth stopped an evil rampaging Kai who was much stronger than non-Golden Frieza. He may give up on fighting a SSG but he'd still be able to fight someone just as strong as one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:35:40 GMT
My guess is that the Beerus in the new timeline where Trunks and Mai were sent to would not see a vision of Super Saiyan God so he would not bother going to Earth. The only reason he went to Earth in the regular timeline is because he learned from Whis that Frieza was killed by a Saiyan and so surmised that this particular Saiyan was the Super Saiyan God he saw in his visions. In Trunks' timeline, Goku was the one who killed Frieza and King Cold. If Future Beerus were to find out about it when he awakes, he would just dismiss it as a lost cause since Goku is already dead, go on destroying random planets and then go back to sleep, since the new timeline is just an exact replica of the timeline which Future Zen-Oh destroyed but set in a time period before Zamasu could enact his "Zero Mortals Plan". I'm not so sure about that. Future Beerus also knows that someone from Earth stopped an evil rampaging Kai who was much stronger than non-Golden Frieza. He may give up on fighting a SSG but he'd still be able to fight someone just as strong as one. If only to entertain himself, absolutely. Whis would also want to recruit him as the next God of Destruction should Beerus perish. |
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Post by Axalon on Jul 14, 2017 2:39:56 GMT
Trunks already has interacted with Beerus so he would know how to deal with him and prepare lots of Puddin in advance. Also, it's said Whis spoke to his alternate self and Future Beerus when dropping Trunks there. Both should at least be partially aware of Trunks' existence. I'd also think that after knowing some psychotic god wrecked his universe after indirectly killing all the Hakaishin Future Beerus would get his shit straight and stop being as lazy/petty.This would be hilariously awesome. Just as Future Trunks is the pragmatic Z Fighter of the bunch, Future Beerus starts taking things more seriously as well. Then we cut over to the main timeline...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 2:51:50 GMT
AxalonDid you make that? It basically shows the "strategy" of Universe 7 in a nutshell. Also, Shin wouldn't allow Beerus to die, because if he dies, Shin would die as well.
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Post by Axalon on Jul 14, 2017 2:53:15 GMT
@fegget117 No, I found it browsing the interwebs. I've used it a few times on here already, but I think it's so relevant that I post it every chance I get.
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 14, 2017 3:16:47 GMT
My guess is that the Beerus in the new timeline where Trunks and Mai were sent to would not see a vision of Super Saiyan God so he would not bother going to Earth. The only reason he went to Earth in the regular timeline is because he learned from Whis that Frieza was killed by a Saiyan and so surmised that this particular Saiyan was the Super Saiyan God he saw in his visions. In Trunks' timeline, Goku was the one who killed Frieza and King Cold. If Future Beerus were to find out about it when he awakes, he would just dismiss it as a lost cause since Goku is already dead, go on destroying random planets and then go back to sleep, since the new timeline is just an exact replica of the timeline which Future Zen-Oh destroyed but set in a time period before Zamasu could enact his "Zero Mortals Plan". I'm not so sure about that. Future Beerus also knows that someone from Earth stopped an evil rampaging Kai who was much stronger than non-Golden Frieza. He may give up on fighting a SSG but he'd still be able to fight someone just as strong as one. Future Beerus is dead. Whis didn't prevent Future Shin (Future Supreme Kai) from dying during the events of the Future Buu Saga. When he visited Future Beerus, he did so prior to Future Beerus's death to warn him of the Zero Mortals plan, so Future Beerus could stop it. The new Alternate Future Beerus still died when the new Alternate Future Shin died during that timeline's Future Buu Saga. Since Future Beerus of even the new timeline is still dead, neither Future Trunks would end up fighting him. Anyways DB wiki also states that the prophecy of the Super Saiyan God never even happened in Future Beerus's head. That is two things that prove a Future Timeline BoG would never happen. |
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Post by christhesaiyan on Jul 14, 2017 4:53:07 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Future Beerus also knows that someone from Earth stopped an evil rampaging Kai who was much stronger than non-Golden Frieza. He may give up on fighting a SSG but he'd still be able to fight someone just as strong as one. Future Beerus is dead. Whis didn't prevent Future Shin (Future Supreme Kai) from dying during the events of the Future Buu Saga. When he visited Future Beerus, he did so prior to Future Beerus's death to warn him of the Zero Mortals plan, so Future Beerus could stop it. The new Alternate Future Beerus still died when the new Alternate Future Shin died during that timeline's Future Buu Saga. Since Future Beerus of even the new timeline is still dead, neither Future Trunks would end up fighting him. Anyways DB wiki also states that the prophecy of the Super Saiyan God never even happened in Future Beerus's head. That is two things that prove a Future Timeline BoG would never happen. I would think Whis would have warned him about that as well. We've no way of knowing if he did. Until it's confirmed I'd say his status is unknown. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 14, 2017 4:57:17 GMT
I'm not so sure about that. Future Beerus also knows that someone from Earth stopped an evil rampaging Kai who was much stronger than non-Golden Frieza. He may give up on fighting a SSG but he'd still be able to fight someone just as strong as one. Future Beerus is dead. Whis didn't prevent Future Shin (Future Supreme Kai) from dying during the events of the Future Buu Saga. When he visited Future Beerus, he did so prior to Future Beerus's death to warn him of the Zero Mortals plan, so Future Beerus could stop it. The new Alternate Future Beerus still died when the new Alternate Future Shin died during that timeline's Future Buu Saga. Since Future Beerus of even the new timeline is still dead, neither Future Trunks would end up fighting him. Anyways DB wiki also states that the prophecy of the Super Saiyan God never even happened in Future Beerus's head. That is two things that prove a Future Timeline BoG would never happen. "Alternate" Future Beerus should not be dead by any means. If Whis actually went and contacted him and his counterpart, then he surely contacted Shin as well to prevent him dying. I know it's a different continuity but in the Manga, the first time Black appeared was right when Shin fell to Daburah and Babidi. So, if Trunks and Mai were sent right before that, then the Majin stuff shouldn't have happened yet. Besides, 2 Trunks (now one with SSJrage), Shin and Kibito vs. Daburah would have been a curbstomp. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 14, 2017 5:33:05 GMT
I would think Whis would have warned him about that as well. We've no way of knowing if he did. Until it's confirmed I'd say his status is unknown. "Alternate" Future Beerus should not be dead by any means. If Whis actually went and contacted him and his counterpart, then he surely contacted Shin as well to prevent him dying. I actually disagree. Beerus and Whis had quite the problem with time traveling happening in the first place. It's against the rules of the Multiverse. Probably rules made by Zen-Oh himself. That is why they didn't participate themselves in the time travel. So I think with this in mind, Whis would only do what is absolutely necessary to create a timeline free of the Zero Mortal Plan being enacted upon. I don't think he did anything other than telling Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan. It is also rather likely that Future Beerus was enraged when an alternate timeline Whis appeared before him, since time travel is strictly forbidden. I think that after Whis arrived and told Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan, he left to get Future Trunks and Future Mai to take them back to that timeline and that was all he did. If he spent too much time in that new timeline, he might risk "Alternate" Future Zen-Oh, Future Zen-Oh, or present Zen-Oh finding out about how he broke their rules, which would mean he'd be risking being erased by one of those Zen-Ohs and I don't think he'd want that to happen. |
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Jul 14, 2017 5:40:57 GMT
I would think Whis would have warned him about that as well. We've no way of knowing if he did. Until it's confirmed I'd say his status is unknown. "Alternate" Future Beerus should not be dead by any means. If Whis actually went and contacted him and his counterpart, then he surely contacted Shin as well to prevent him dying. I actually disagree. Beerus and Whis had quite the problem with time traveling happening in the first place. It's against the rules of the Multiverse. Probably rules made by Zen-Oh himself. That is why they didn't participate themselves in the time travel. So I think with this in mind, Whis would only do what is absolutely necessary to create a timeline free of the Zero Mortal Plan being enacted upon. I don't think he did anything other than telling Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan. It is also rather likely that Future Beerus was enraged when an alternate timeline Whis appeared before him, since time travel is strictly forbidden. I think that after Whis arrived and told Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan, he left to get Future Trunks and Future Mai to take them back to that timeline and that was all he did. If he spent too much time in that new timeline, he might risk "Alternate" Future Zen-Oh, Future Zen-Oh, or present Zen-Oh finding out about how he broke their rules, which would mean he'd be risking being erased by one of those Zen-Ohs and I don't think he'd want that to happen. Thing is, this forcibly has to be before Majin stuff. That's the time Black arrived and started the zero mortals plan. If Whis drops Trunks, then he obviously has to meet the other Trunks in some way, and thus already alter the timeline by helping in the battle against Babidi and Daburah. With this the odds for casualties highly decrease. If the purpose is actually reversing the Zero Mortals Plan completely, then letting Beerus alive is only a minor change compared to all the other 11 Hakaishins that died. Reversing the Zero Mortal plan already represents a huge time trampling so I don't think either Whis really cares that much, or he's somehow above that rules. By already dropping Trunks and Mai there this happens: -Beerus is waken up -There are 2 Trunkses and 2 Mais -If SSJRage Trunks aids the fight, then Alternate Trunks likely doesn't get SSJ2 at that moment -Zamasu no longer exists (Beerus kills him, and likely the version of Black that arrives) -Therefore, Super Dragon Balls still exist -As do multiple planets being wiped out -None of the Kaioshins and Hakaishins are murdered Those are already quite big changes. Beerus dying was the first stepping stone for the Zero Mortals plan being put in motion. |
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Post by christhesaiyan on Jul 14, 2017 13:33:48 GMT
I actually disagree. Beerus and Whis had quite the problem with time traveling happening in the first place. It's against the rules of the Multiverse. Probably rules made by Zen-Oh himself. That is why they didn't participate themselves in the time travel. So I think with this in mind, Whis would only do what is absolutely necessary to create a timeline free of the Zero Mortal Plan being enacted upon. I don't think he did anything other than telling Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan. It is also rather likely that Future Beerus was enraged when an alternate timeline Whis appeared before him, since time travel is strictly forbidden. I think that after Whis arrived and told Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan, he left to get Future Trunks and Future Mai to take them back to that timeline and that was all he did. If he spent too much time in that new timeline, he might risk "Alternate" Future Zen-Oh, Future Zen-Oh, or present Zen-Oh finding out about how he broke their rules, which would mean he'd be risking being erased by one of those Zen-Ohs and I don't think he'd want that to happen. Thing is, this forcibly has to be before Majin stuff. That's the time Black arrived and started the zero mortals plan. If Whis drops Trunks, then he obviously has to meet the other Trunks in some way, and thus already alter the timeline by helping in the battle against Babidi and Daburah. With this the odds for casualties highly decrease. If the purpose is actually reversing the Zero Mortals Plan completely, then letting Beerus alive is only a minor change compared to all the other 11 Hakaishins that died. Reversing the Zero Mortal plan already represents a huge time trampling so I don't think either Whis really cares that much, or he's somehow above that rules. By already dropping Trunks and Mai there this happens: -Beerus is waken up -There are 2 Trunkses and 2 Mais -If SSJRage Trunks aids the fight, then Alternate Trunks likely doesn't get SSJ2 at that moment -Zamasu no longer exists (Beerus kills him, and likely the version of Black that arrives) -Therefore, Super Dragon Balls still exist -As do multiple planets being wiped out -None of the Kaioshins and Hakaishins are murdered Those are already quite big changes. Beerus dying was the first stepping stone for the Zero Mortals plan being put in motion. I agree completely. Whis is already altering the timeline and violating Zeno's wishes just by undoing it's destruction. If he's going to alter the timeline even further and risk pissing off Zeno, he might as well make sure the universe doesn't lose it's God of Destruction, otherwise it'd be incredibly easy for something like this to happen all over again. |
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Post by Kor Saiyajinkami on Jul 14, 2017 22:24:06 GMT
I actually disagree. Beerus and Whis had quite the problem with time traveling happening in the first place. It's against the rules of the Multiverse. Probably rules made by Zen-Oh himself. That is why they didn't participate themselves in the time travel. So I think with this in mind, Whis would only do what is absolutely necessary to create a timeline free of the Zero Mortal Plan being enacted upon. I don't think he did anything other than telling Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan. It is also rather likely that Future Beerus was enraged when an alternate timeline Whis appeared before him, since time travel is strictly forbidden. I think that after Whis arrived and told Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals Plan, he left to get Future Trunks and Future Mai to take them back to that timeline and that was all he did. If he spent too much time in that new timeline, he might risk "Alternate" Future Zen-Oh, Future Zen-Oh, or present Zen-Oh finding out about how he broke their rules, which would mean he'd be risking being erased by one of those Zen-Ohs and I don't think he'd want that to happen. Thing is, this forcibly has to be before Majin stuff. That's the time Black arrived and started the zero mortals plan. If Whis drops Trunks, then he obviously has to meet the other Trunks in some way, and thus already alter the timeline by helping in the battle against Babidi and Daburah. With this the odds for casualties highly decrease. If the purpose is actually reversing the Zero Mortals Plan completely, then letting Beerus alive is only a minor change compared to all the other 11 Hakaishins that died. Reversing the Zero Mortal plan already represents a huge time trampling so I don't think either Whis really cares that much, or he's somehow above that rules. By already dropping Trunks and Mai there this happens: -Beerus is waken up -There are 2 Trunkses and 2 Mais -If SSJRage Trunks aids the fight, then Alternate Trunks likely doesn't get SSJ2 at that moment -Zamasu no longer exists (Beerus kills him, and likely the version of Black that arrives) -Therefore, Super Dragon Balls still exist -As do multiple planets being wiped out -None of the Kaioshins and Hakaishins are murdered Those are already quite big changes. Beerus dying was the first stepping stone for the Zero Mortals plan being put in motion.As you said Future Beerus dying was the first stepping stone for the Zero Mortals plan being put in motion. If Whis went there to stop Future Shin and Future Beerus from dying, why even mention anything about the Zero Mortals plan to Future Beerus? There'd be absolutely no need to do so. Whis would just need to arrive before his Future counterpart self and Future Beerus to let them know that Future Shin is gonna die soon. Future Whis and Future Beerus then just travel to Earth to stop Future Shin from dying. It'd be really easy to do especially if present timeline Whis arrived with enough time to give them plenty of time to stop it from happening. Future Beerus could Hakai both Future Babidi and Future Dabura and for safe measure the ball that Majin Buu is stored within and that would stop Future Shin from dying, whicmakes that Universe one that Goku Black doesn't select for a potential Universe for the Zero Mortals plan and there would therefore be no need for present timeline Whis to even have said anything at all about the Zero Mortals plan to Future Beerus and Future Whis. Whis said he was going to warn Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals plan so Future Beerus could stop it before it even happens. Goku Black needed two things to be true about the Multiverse Timeline he'd select to enact the Zero Mortals plan. A Multiverse Timeline where Beerus was dead -AND- his counterpart was also alive. Whis telling Future Beerus about the Zero Mortals plan would allow Future Beerus to stop it from happening in that Multiverse Timeline simply by Hakai-ing Future Zamasu within that timeline. Without a Future Zamasu, Goku Black wouldn't pick that Multiverse Timeline since it didn't have the two things he needed a Multiverse Timeline to have to enact the Zero Mortals plan. |
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Post by FunnyEvil on Jul 29, 2017 4:50:44 GMT
As long as they have good pudding in that timeline there's hope.
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Post by afanaddict on Aug 3, 2017 15:34:13 GMT
Sorry but I gotta pop this balloon real quick Ever since Trunks got his own God form I've been thinking about how cool it would be to see a Future Trunks timeline version of Battle of Gods Trunks doesn’t have his own God form. Super Saiyan Rage is his equivalent to the manga’s “super Saiyan 2 full power” that was being used. I’d give him midway between SS3 and SSG max. You see him get thrashed by black. His attacks don’t even scratch him. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 17:38:53 GMT
christhesaiyan As afanaddict said, Trunks' Super Saiyan Rage is just a power-up which puts him in Super Saiyan 3 level to (maybe) Super Saiyan God level in raw strength alone. He does not possess the divine ki which Super Saiyan God and above possess. He only managed to finish off Mutated Fused Zamasu using that Super Spirit Bomb-esque Sword of Hope attack which combined with his Super Saiyan Rage, managed to split his body into two.
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Post by Conqueror Geng on Aug 3, 2017 17:57:44 GMT
Sorry but I gotta pop this balloon real quick Ever since Trunks got his own God form I've been thinking about how cool it would be to see a Future Trunks timeline version of Battle of Gods Trunks doesn’t have his own God form. Super Saiyan Rage is his equivalent to the manga’s “super Saiyan 2 full power” that was being used. I’d give him midway between SS3 and SSG max. You see him get thrashed by black. His attacks don’t even scratch him. At this point I think Trunks wasn't given SSJ3 instead only because Vegeta would have been so enraged he'd have ignored Black and Zamasu and punched Trunks instead, out of jealousy. |
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