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Post by christhesaiyan on Oct 24, 2017 1:03:34 GMT
What do you think would happen if the Super Dragon Balls were used to bring back Planet Vegeta and the U7 Saiyans with it (for this scenario let's say near Earth)? None of the Saiyans are strong enough to pose a threat to Earth, I mean Krillin could beat the crap out of the average Saiyan if he wanted to, even Yamcha could probably manage going toe to toe with one of them. So what do you think would happen plot wise?
I think it could be a good opportunity for character development for Goku and Vegeta, might build up tension between them and Beerus more since he asked Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta in the first place. Those are my guesses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 5:38:29 GMT
Krillin could beat them with his eyes closed. If filler is to be taken seriously, he was able to go toe to toe with the Ginyu Force. Not to mention Yamcha, Tien and Krillin have skills and techniques which the Saiyans never could have learned before visiting Earth (Vegeta learned Ki Sense after he fought Goku and the guys on Earth), and that they are trained fighters with actual skill. On the other hand, Saiyans who were employed under Frieza would just kill everyone without taking the time to learn their skills. They are also brawlers who depend on raw power to win fights. Skill trumps power, except in Super.
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 24, 2017 5:50:50 GMT
What do you think would happen if the Super Dragon Balls were used to bring back Planet Vegeta and the U7 Saiyans with it (for this scenario let's say near Earth)? None of the Saiyans are strong enough to pose a threat to Earth, I mean Krillin could beat the crap out of the average Saiyan if he wanted to, even Yamcha could probably manage going toe to toe with one of them. So what do you think would happen plot wise? I think it could be a good opportunity for character development for Goku and Vegeta, might build up tension between them and Beerus more since he asked Frieza to blow up Planet Vegeta in the first place. Those are my guesses. Maybe not so much the Saiyans prove a threat to Earth, but probably a good time for Cabba to visit U7's Saiyans and learn of their barbaric nature. While they can't do anything in terms of power, it is a good plot point to address towards Beerus "Hey Beerus, is it true you asked Freezer to kill the Saiyan Race?" "What if I did? Besides, you managed to wish them back to life." "You mean... you were the reason our lives have been in hell all these years?" And thus the next saga begins, Goku's Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ultra Blue Instinct Kaioken X 20 vs Beerus, the two settle their first encounter, something that was predetermined years ago when the planet was destroyed. But yeah, that would be a turning point for Beerus... actually, past the turning point, he's basically screwed if we take his "sh!!! don't tell them I destroyed their homeworld" line from RoF seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 6:20:59 GMT
Everyone would die because Earth would be thrown off it's orbit...
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Post by christhesaiyan on Oct 24, 2017 17:05:38 GMT
Everyone would die because Earth would be thrown off it's orbit... Yeah in real life, but you're forgetting this is DB logic, the Tuffle planet got restored near Earth in GT and no one got thrown off orbit (it doomed Earth but for a completely different reason). Actually it might be even more interesting if the Saiyans were revived but on Earth not their homeworld. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 18:31:31 GMT
Everyone would die because Earth would be thrown off it's orbit... Yeah in real life, but you're forgetting this is DB logic, the Tuffle planet got restored near Earth in GT and no one got thrown off orbit (it doomed Earth but for a completely different reason). Actually it might be even more interesting if the Saiyans were revived but on Earth not their homeworld. But GT isn't canon... |
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Post by christhesaiyan on Oct 24, 2017 19:22:38 GMT
Yeah in real life, but you're forgetting this is DB logic, the Tuffle planet got restored near Earth in GT and no one got thrown off orbit (it doomed Earth but for a completely different reason). Actually it might be even more interesting if the Saiyans were revived but on Earth not their homeworld. But GT isn't canon... True but it demonstrates a point about DB logic that you're overlooking. This is the same universe where blowing up the moon didn't affect Earth at all, even though in the real world this would have very serious consequences. |
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Post by Ashanark on Oct 24, 2017 19:24:44 GMT
I think it could be interesting if explored enough. Many fans--and Toriyama himself--tend to forget the Saiyans were really nasty people. Bringing back the Saiyan race could give Goku and Vegeta a chance to re-meet a lot of people, like Bardock, King Vegeta, Raditz, and Nappa. They're ten gajillion times more powerful than these people, so it'd be a great opportunity to try and teach/redeem them. (One of the many things that bugged me about GT is how Vegeta, now completely good, comes across Nappa and doesn't even attempt to talk to him--just flat-out kills him.) What with Toriyama opening the door for long-term resurrections with RoF, you could probably justify restoring Planet Vegeta and the Saiyans.
My main reason for wanting to bring back the Saiyan race is the fact that I hate things going extinct. Eventually Goku and Vegeta will die and their bloodline get too thin, so a lot of power (and Super Saiyan) will disappear forever. That's sad. So if you want plot-interesting reunions, have the DBs restore everything and watch good Saiyans coach evil Saiyans. Another option is find a bunch of pure-hearted humans and use DBs to turn them into Saiyans, then repopulate Vegeta. Scientists say that realistically you'd need a population of at least 500 to recover from a mass extinction event with a healthy amount of genetic diversity...
Believe it or not, my oft-teased yet-to-be-published fanfic has a part where a small colony of "normal" Saiyan survivors (not pure-good, no Super Saiyan) comes in contact with the Z-Fighters, and how they react to the godly powerful Goku, Vegeta, and half-Saiyans.
@invaderjim
If I lived in Australia, for saying the word "canon" I would drive over to whatever it is you live in and slap you so hard you'd think Great Saiyaman was brilliant writing.
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Post by Axalon on Oct 24, 2017 22:56:16 GMT
I just hope that if such a development occurs they hearken back to the old art style. If the price of bringing back the glorious and savage Saiyan race of U7, the race Frieza used to expand his empire through conquest, is a bunch of malnourished, noodle-armed Saiyans without an ounce of muscle tone I'd rather not bother at all. More Bardocks, less Cabbas. Visually.
In the end though I don't think it would matter all that much. The Saiyans have long since been eclipsed in terms of relevancy when not talking about the specific group that resides on Earth. Indeed, Vegeta seems to care more about reviving the U6 Saiyans than reviving his own version of them judging off of what he was saying to Cabba. At best I think there could be a story where without Frieza they go on some form of galactic conquest and take over the shattered remnants of his empire. This is all assuming Frieza stays dead after the ToP though. If he's still alive he's likely to just blow it up again for funsies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 1:51:47 GMT
Didn't Cabba say that U6 Saiyans still survived on Sadala because they didn't have their civil war nor did they face extinction? I'm pretty sure Vegeta was just curious about U6 Saiyans and wanted to meet the Saiyan King. I agree with Axalon's point on the art style of the currently revealed Saiyans (save for Miss-Innocent-Back-Tingles and Rule-63-Broly, possibly all female Saiyans) that it should be reverted back to the Z-style because the current style makes them look weak and boring. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 3:42:39 GMT
-snip-@invaderjim If I lived in Australia, for saying the word "canon" I would drive over to whatever it is you live in and slap you so hard you'd think Great Saiyaman was brilliant writing. HAHAHA! Just what my throbbin headache needed, you makin me laugh me arse off. Cheers |
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Post by Son Pan on Oct 25, 2017 4:06:42 GMT
Vegeta would be king that is for sure. With him as king he would enact some changes to curb the Saiyans worse tendencies and steer them down a more productive path. The push back from that could produce a lot of good stories for spin-offs for the franchise. Saiyan Space Patrol, King Vegeta arc, evil Saiyan villains who break from Vegeta's new empire and try to replace Freeza, etc. Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan, and Bra's place in Saiyan society would be interesting to see. They are hybrids or quarter Saiyan, but massively more powerful than most of their race in general. Plus they throw the whole caste system in the trash. Low level like Kakarot not only became the strongest Saiyan ever and fathered two extremely powerful children, one of whom is the third strongest in the universe and the second becoming a Super Saiyan as a child, spits on everything they know about their race. How would they react to their new king being weaker than a low level Saiyan? Would Trunks and Bra be considered royalty or looked down on for being mixed breeds? Vegeta becoming mentor to a new generation of younger Saiyans is a proven winner given how many people love his relationship with Cabba. There is a well of story ideas here if the Saiyan race and planet were revived. It would be even more stories if the Tuffles were revived as a byproduct and the Saiyans and Tuffles had to share the planet after a brutal civil war.
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Post by FunnyEvil on Oct 25, 2017 18:14:32 GMT
It'd spell out the end of the human race that's for damn sure.
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Post by christhesaiyan on Oct 26, 2017 23:42:34 GMT
It'd spell out the end of the human race that's for damn sure. Why? There isn't a Saiyan on Planet Vegeta most of the protagonists can't beat easily. |
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Post by Axalon on Oct 27, 2017 17:44:55 GMT
It'd spell out the end of the human race that's for damn sure. Why? There isn't a Saiyan on Planet Vegeta most of the protagonists can't beat easily. Realistically, despite the massive power gap any Saiyan capable of destroying the planet *could* technically do it if they really wanted to and the heroes likely wouldn't be able to do a thing about it unless they happened to be there at that exact moment to stop the insane Saiyan. Given that they couldn't even sense Goten and Trunks going SS1 you could easily have some kind of (weaker than Goten/Trunks) Saiyan suicide bomber take out the planet without the Z Fighters being any the wiser. Of course, that issue itself only arises if the Saiyans sans Vegeta have someone even capable of blowing up a planet, or if a PL of 18,000 is the sheer minimum. It also conflicts entirely with the shonen narrative style of DB. But assuming the first condition is met and if this weren't a shonen it's feasible this could happen. |
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Post by FunnyEvil on Oct 28, 2017 4:15:06 GMT
Why? There isn't a Saiyan on Planet Vegeta most of the protagonists can't beat easily. Realistically, despite the massive power gap any Saiyan capable of destroying the planet *could* technically do it if they really wanted to and the heroes likely wouldn't be able to do a thing about it unless they happened to be there at that exact moment to stop the insane Saiyan. Given that they couldn't even sense Goten and Trunks going SS1 you could easily have some kind of (weaker than Goten/Trunks) Saiyan suicide bomber take out the planet without the Z Fighters being any the wiser. Of course, that issue itself only arises if the Saiyans sans Vegeta have someone even capable of blowing up a planet, or if a PL of 18,000 is the sheer minimum. It also conflicts entirely with the shonen narrative style of DB. But assuming the first condition is met and if this weren't a shonen it's feasible this could happen. I was actually talking about crossbreeding. |
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Post by The Retro Kakarotto on Oct 28, 2017 4:41:11 GMT
Realistically, despite the massive power gap any Saiyan capable of destroying the planet *could* technically do it if they really wanted to and the heroes likely wouldn't be able to do a thing about it unless they happened to be there at that exact moment to stop the insane Saiyan. Given that they couldn't even sense Goten and Trunks going SS1 you could easily have some kind of (weaker than Goten/Trunks) Saiyan suicide bomber take out the planet without the Z Fighters being any the wiser. Of course, that issue itself only arises if the Saiyans sans Vegeta have someone even capable of blowing up a planet, or if a PL of 18,000 is the sheer minimum. It also conflicts entirely with the shonen narrative style of DB. But assuming the first condition is met and if this weren't a shonen it's feasible this could happen. I was actually talking about crossbreeding. Vegeta doesn't want to, Nappa agreed when he realized the flaw, pretty sure none of the other revived Saiyans want halfbreeds to surpass them in strength, let alone the already existing Saiyan Gods Goku and Vegeta.  Edit: I just realized how this page was a sincere threat to the DB Earth but "seven years later"... plus android saga and one year gap... it becomes a living joke in Vegeta's face. Minus the "Power greater than our own" |
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Post by FunnyEvil on Oct 29, 2017 3:11:10 GMT
I was actually talking about crossbreeding. Vegeta doesn't want to, Nappa agreed when he realized the flaw, pretty sure none of the other revived Saiyans want halfbreeds to surpass them in strength, let alone the already existing Saiyan Gods Goku and Vegeta. Edit: I just realized how this page was a sincere threat to the DB Earth but "seven years later"... plus android saga and one year gap... it becomes a living joke in Vegeta's face. Minus the "Power greater than our own" Dude has halfbreed kids if I remember correctly, and I rarely saw Nappa, Vegeta, or Raditz care that Human/Saiyan hybrids weren't pure-blooded (you own scan shows what I mean lol). Besides, I don't think there were enough Saiyans left to keep the population going at a healthy rate, there were less than 500 alive before their genocide from most accounts meaning they were already screwed before Frieza killed them unless they breed with another species. Not to mention that what happened to them in the first place (being killed by a pompous bisexual lipstick wearing emperor) would probably be a wakeup call that they need to strengthen their race far more to survive, and breeding with humans would likely be the best option. |
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Post by bk81 on Oct 31, 2017 22:39:34 GMT
If I remember correctly, the Saiyans were a minority on Vegeta and a few thousands at most. That's barely the minimum of a healthy genetic diversity. But considering their bellic behavior, it's understandable! If there were more they would constantly fight and destroy everything, and breeding isn't their favorite hobby.
If they came back, I think they would have to be forced to follow Vegetas orders, but after seeing his (and Gokus) power, they would behave... a little bit. But not all, and some some will try to conquer Earth or other planets and need to be put down. The Z-Crew would do that fine, even Yamcha is stronger than Vegeta when he was the strongest Saiyan ever. But it would be a constant source of trouble, especially if some of them gets too strong, coping Vegetas training methods.
If they go with the subtle route they could hope in the second generation of half-breeds who help to calm the Saiyans with time; being stronger than the pure-breeds and much more social. Once they take over, the new generation is almost at the level of the Saiyans from Universe 6, imho. There could be even a fusion between the Saiyans and the Earthlings, but I'm talking about a hypothetical distant future.
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