Base Kefla ISN'T stronger than SSJG Goku!!!

Simple, SSG Goku let his guard down when he saw Kale and Caulifla fuse.

Kefla should still be nothing against SSJGod Goku. She should be stronger than Gotenks in Buu saga but weaker than Vegetto in the same saga. Even SSJ3 Kefla should not be able to do anything against a weak SSJGod Goku. Unless you think Vegetto in SSJ would put a better fight against Beerus than SSJGod did.



Sorry but this was ironic as fuck. This got me laughing. You effectively called yourself an idiot. Whole bolded sentences qualify as arbitrary disinformation too.

Kefla has already been shown to be more powerful than SSJG Goku in his weakened state. He even says so in the preview that he's gonna have to resort to SSJB KK to fight her and even then he might end up losing according to the title of Ep115 that suggests he still might lose to LSSJ Kefla.

Okay maybe I made an assumption based off how we know Vegito is fused and comparing the fact that Caulifla and Kale seem to have a lower base PL than Goku and Vegeta. I mean Goku in his weakened state was able to handle SSJ2 Caulifla. Okay so maybe he's a little stronger in this weakened SSJG form than his SSJ or SSJ2 would normally be, but still I think he'd likely wreck Kefla in her base form with his SSJG if he were at full power right now.

Seeing as my statements are meant as speculation and yeah I guess I should've added a probably right before "wreck", but that was more me making a mistake and forgetting a word than assuming it was automatically true, but then again I still think it's true based off how powerful Kale and Caulifla are separately and how that would affect the power of their fusion, so it is a pretty good educated guess that is likely very correct that he'd wreck base Kefla if he were at full power. So in summation, I don't think I'm calling myself an idiot since I'm using what is provided to us to come to educated conclusions.

See if he isn't recovering BOTH stamina and ki then having him power up again and go UI would be close to impossible.

Now for some fun, I'm going to explain why I think Kefla could beat SSG/B Goku:

Caulifa: so far holds the title for gaining Super Saiyan forms the fastest besides Goten and Kid Trunks.

We've seen her gain Ultragrade which took Future Trunks a year or so in the HTC to learn and SS2 which was a hurdle at one point only Gohan had passed...

Kale: Legendary Super Saiyan, even though I'm going off DBM LSS rules I still think it stands a bit.

The longer Kefla fights regardless if Goku is or is not recovering ki and stamina she could win.

Hell I know most of us here would be pissed though myself included but I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow gained SSG/B just from fighting Goku.

If Super had decent logic then she shouldn't even be able to touch SSG Goku even if he's weakened. Like I always said SSG and SSGSS shouldn't be forms that can overwhelmed unless by a god or someone who also has god ki. This is my own logic though but even going by simple logic, Caulfia was Ssj2 and Kale had LSSJ and we have no idea how that form's power fluctuates. But lets say at MOST its at SSJ3 tier. So at MOST she would Vegetto level and this is me being nice.

If this was going by my logic then their fusion would be on par with Gotenks during thr Buu Saga if not weaker. They should not be on the level of Vegetto during the Buu Saga, let alone a SSG/SSGSS.

What about Berserker Kale being able to toss Super Saiyan Blue Goku like a ragdoll even while losing mental control? If her Berserker form is on par (if not greater because it took Jiren to knock her out of the form) with the Blue form, and the Blue form is already higher than that of the SSJ3 Form, I don't see why it isn't possible for Kefla to be enough to surprise a tired SS God. Now that I recall this bit, I don't see why it's considered impossible for Base Kefla to get the jump on a tired and weakened SSG who thought the original two components were supposed to be knocked out.

The way I interpret the fact that SSJB Goku could struggle against LSSJ Kale when she was berserk, but can contend with both her and SSJ2 Caulifla when in a weakened SSJG state is a combination of Goku holding back to conserve his stamina and Ki -AND- it would appear that LSSJ is a transformation similar to the Hulk in that it outputs more power when the user is berserk than it does when the user is in control of that power. That's just how it seems to me after comparing the two.

Well...let's look at it from a different perspective.

Upcoming episode as Goku tap into UI once more in order to deal with Kefla, Kefla is overpowered but also powers up in order to counter it. We don't know the result of that fight, or how much Goku is capable of overpowering Kefla while using UI, but if Kefla stands up a chance against it? Then yeah, Base Kefla > SSJ God Goku.

Also as stated in this thread, the main bulk of power that is making Kefla so strong, is Kale's side. Her controlled LSSJ form should be as strong as her Berserk form (though I could've sworn that it's mentioned to be stronger), as to why she had more trouble against a weaker SSJ God Goku opposite of how her berserk form fared against SSJ Blue Goku. Well, it's basically the same deal as with Kid Buu compared to Buuhan, the whole unpredictability and raw power is more difficult to counter than someone who fights proper. Ergo, Goku had more trouble against an unpredictable Berserk Kale as Blue, rather than a more predictable controlled Kale as Red. (It's the same deal how he managed to hold off Caulifla who was an SSJ2 yet he was still in base)

But the Fusion makes that all different, it takes Kale's massive power and mixes it with Caulifla. Not to mention, it appeared that the two fused while transformed so that may have had a major influence in the Fusion as well. Goku and Vegeta fused while at base forms, who knows how much stronger Vegetto would've been if they fused at their max powers, SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta. Here we have LSSJ Kale fusing with SSJ2 Caulifla, that has to influence the Fusion significantly honestly and no doubt pushes their powers even higher. Because, as already explained in my Potara Fusion multiplier speculation, Potara is PL + PL x a couple hundreds. And if they indeed fused at while in their transformed states? Whoo boy...I really think Kefla is capable of dealing with SSJ God, regardless if Goku is tired or not.

And if Jiren's cues are anything, he twitched his hand when (assuming) sensing their fusion, so that should be another good indicator of how powerful their fusion is.