"What if" the T.o.P. arc had different tournament condition?

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"What if" the T.o.P. arc had different tournament condition? Nov 17, 2017 21:38:28 GMT

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Post by iron leaf on Nov 17, 2017 21:38:28 GMT

Nov 14, 2017 3:19:42 GMT Axalon said:

The entire Battle Royale premise is just failing miserably. It's to the point that I'm hoping the manga does a full switcheroo when it comes time for the ToP. In the anime they had 1v1 matches in the preliminary match while the manga just had a GoD free-for-all. It'd be really neat if because the preliminaries turned out being a Battle Royale between the GoDs that Zen-Oh declared was overly messy and frustrating to watch that he decides to just watch smaller, more contained fights in the manga.

What if they changed the condition for the tournament? They still could do a battle royale but with different condition and leave the roster the way it is with all the fodder.
Sometimes they focus so much on one character for an episode or even a couple of episodes that it feels like they shifted the premise from battle royale.
I rarely had the feeling that there were in fact 80 participants on the ring. Sometimes somebody is commenting someone's fight. Yeah, like always. But nobody is actual helping each other in a fight. The only exception, when #17 helped Goku. In those moments I remember that this should in fact be a battle royale. This isn't the Cell games where it was a 1vs1 sudden death premise and the Z-fighter accepted it for some reason.
Here it's like everyone off-screen is just waiting for their time to get punched.

Normal "Budokai" tournament condition wouldn't be great with 80 participants. And the sudden death rule from the universe 6 tournament or the Uranai Baba tournament, the moment one fighter loses the next one is replacing him until only one universe have fighters left, could be possible. But I think the battle royale with different condition and competent writers, of course, could work anyway.

So, here my idea how they could change it in the manga or what if they had done it in the anime:

Making a battle royale with 10 rounds. In each round only one fighter from each universe is entering the ring (For example the picture: everyone from one distinct column). The winner/last man standing of each round gets 1 point for his/her universe. The universe with the most points after 10 rounds win the tournament. The universes themselves decide in which order their fighters will fight.
With competent writers/Toyotaro being clever, they could create good match up fights, making the first fights low tier and gradually raise the power level with each round. Creating a good plot with tension, so the last or last two rounds are the one deciding everything.
Variation A: The moment an universe is unable to win due to the lack of points they are getting erased. In the last rounds there are only few universes left, so the high tier fights are with less fighters.
Variation B: First at the end of the tournament every losing universe will be erased all at once. The losing universes blaming everything on the current winning universe/universe 7 and are only attacking the fighters from those universe as revenge.

They position "Hunger games" style on the ring and then start. They first stop when only one fighter is left. The older rules are still present, so no killing, no objects, no flying, only throwing out of the ring. Making it a battle royale with 8 people. If they double-ko or remis, they could split the points or make a rematch with just the remaining two fighters.

This concept has flaws as well. The longer I think the more I realize it. Nonetheless, This way they could focus on the low tier like Roshi, Tien, Krillin and throwing at them just other low tiers with special ability. Whereas, they could let the high tier like Vegeta and Goku fight opponents with high power level.
Furthermore, everyone could just comment the fights on the balcony and it wouldn't have any difference than commenting the fights in the ring but standing a few meters away and doing apparently nothing. Everyone could shine this way without losing focus on them because the plot need to be shifted towards someone else.
It could be even very tactical when the losing universes ally for one round just to eliminate the U7 fighter or the current winning universe.

What do you guys think?

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"What if" the T.o.P. arc had different tournament condition? Nov 18, 2017 23:48:54 GMT

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Post by Axalon on Nov 18, 2017 23:48:54 GMT

I like this idea of a limited FFA where only one fighter at a time can compete, but I think they'd have to radically adjust the power of the other universes to compensate for this type of format. With this current ruleset and how weak most of the competitors are I feel Universe 7 would still take it. Hell, even right now U7 is dominating the playing field despite Jiren being the current undisputed powerhouse in the ring.

For the sake of discussion let's say that the ToP starts from right to left, with each column being a round, going off of the picture above and what these characters have displayed in the anime. Things get decidedly more on U7's terms the further left you go, generally speaking. IMO it would go something like this:

1. - ~~Lord Slug~~, whatever this Namekian's name is. Possibly Roshi if he's smart about it, but the Namekian is the powerhouse in this round given that the two of them combined seem to be doing okay against the father-son tag team of Piccolo and Gohan. U4 guy is an unknown at the moment.

2. - ~~Piccolo Daimao~~, whatever this Namekian's name is. Bird guy has some potential if he's allowed to powerup too long. U4 guy is an unknown at the moment.

3. - Dr. Rota, whose ability is to--just kidding I'd say Krillin

4. - #17

5. - This will be either #18 or Jimize

6. - ALL HAIL LORD FRIEZA. Kale likely knocks off half of the competitors just by powering up, assuming she even can without anyone to make her jealous about Caulifla, then Frieza OHOHOs his way over like an evil Santa Claus and wins.

7. - Highlight of this round IMO would be Piccolo vs Caulifla. Piccolo has shown he's now a SS2-tier in power and without Goku teaching her Caulifla would only be SS1, though could easily achieve SS2 if she got worked up enough. Piccolo is also without a doubt a much more skilled fighter than Caulifla, though Caulifla has MUH POTENTIAL to adapt. Could go to either of these two, with Piccolo having an initial advantage that degrades the longer Caulifla is in the fight.

8. - This will either be Gohan or Dyspo. I could see Cabba and Gohan teaming up for a little bit.

9. - I'd say Vegeta wins his bout. Toppo is his only real competition and judging by what few glimpses we've seen of their fight Vegeta is the stronger of the two. Especially since Vegeta will apparently have moved on from Toppo soon.

10. - Jiren ROFLstomps everyone. Potential here for a Goku/Hit teamup, but given that Hit didn't bother helping Goku out with Jiren I doubt he'd do the same here. Even were Goku to unlock UI it wouldn't last long enough to work on Jiren, as it did in the actual ToP, and he'd summarily lose without Caulifla to punch his stamina back into him or Frieza to help him out or Vegeta to watch his back. Especially since he'd have others like Bergamo and Ribrianne waiting to pounce.

...I honestly think I had more fun speculating on those quick matchups than I've had watching the entirety of DBS after the Jiren vs Hit battle, so thank you iron leaf for the post!

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"What if" the T.o.P. arc had different tournament condition? Nov 20, 2017 6:35:03 GMT

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Post by Son Pan on Nov 20, 2017 6:35:03 GMT

I really like this idea. It finds a way to keep the Battle Royale aspect, while also slowing things down to better flesh out the characters. It would be a long arc, but it is Dragon Ball. Each round having a small number of episodes dedicated to them would be enough time to better establish all these new characters and flesh them out more. The Hunger Game comparison is appropriate too. Different universes teaming up to defeat other more difficult fighters could be a very real possibility. The danger of alliances faltering, or ending as soon as they defeat their common foe or even fearing the alliance is a ruse to eliminate you would be great drama. It definitely requires some of the fighters to be re-imagined and their skills upped, but it could definitely work. It makes every round and character important, since it can't rely on one character to save the day or win the tournament on their own.

It would also be great way to develop some good back and forth between the characters and maybe allow friendships to blossom, which would make the matches even harder for them. If two contestants help each other and form a bond it would suck for them and the audience to know they are going to have to turn on each other for the sake of their universe. That also allows them to question the brutality of this competition and ask themselves why Zeno and Zeno would do this to them. This idea has potential and it can make for great stories. It is easier to develop 10 characters in the span of 3-5 episodes than it is to develop 65 new ones in the current battle royale format.

This would force the writers to have other universe win rounds just to keep things a bit more even for them. If one universe just dominates than it will become increasingly obvious that near the end that universe will win regardless of the rest of their fighters lose and eliminate the tension. At the same time even if our favorite characters lose we can still see them have good showing in the rounds and show how skilled and strong they are even if they didn't win the round. This has some flaws in it, but it could be a very good tournament arc too. These were great suggestions.