Improving dragon ball super

The first change I would make would be to set Super after DBZ. This way the writers aren't confined to trying to keep a midquel and not have to worry about retconning the original ending to have to try to fit Super into it. It also allows for newer characters introduced at the end of Z to get another chance to join the cast since they are discounting GT. Pan, Uub, and Bra could easily be worked into the plot, since they are very important to Goku and Vegeta and could provide both serious and comedic plots. The second change I would make is how god ki and the Saiyan exclusive god forms were presented. SSG and SSGSS/SSB wouldn't be new transformations only Saiyans can use. Instead Goku and Vegeta learning to harness god ki like everyone else. It still increases their power, but doesn't add even more exclusive Saiyan transformations. God ki could buff out base and SS forms, so SS2 and SS3 would stay relevant and not be replaced, just used in conjunction with god ki. Red and blue coloration of the god forms would be retooled to being a sign of imperfect or unbalanced god ki control. It serves as evidence of Goku and Vegeta's progress. As they get stronger and get better at controlling god ki they start losing the red/blue coloring and get more of their black/gold hair color back.

Edit: I changed my mind. The concept of Freeza coming back at all should have been cut out. Even the Cooler equivalent I suggested doesn't need to happen. That was a alright concept for a movie, but making it an actual for Dragon Ball Super series is wrong. Freeza is a fan favorite, but he really wasn't needed. Trying to spend time trying to figure out how to improve that idea rather than ditching it was a mistake on my part.

Firstly, have it take place AFTER DBZ. There's even less narrative tension than usual in these DB stories since we know everything's gonna be alright later on down the road thanks to Goku not meeting Uub yet. If they aren't going to follow the ending and just retcon it they need to just hurry up and do that already. 

Secondly, the moment where Beerus and Goku were about to destroy the universe needs to never happen. That is such a ridiculous jump that its absurd. It clearly wasn't in the original vision since the movie had no such moment whatsoever. I'm half-tempted to say the universe busting shockwaves were a direct response to that one DeathBattle where Superman defeated Goku given the timing, but surely it can't have been that petty. Surely not. Given that this appeared in the manga before the anime (since that was in the early days when the manga was ahead) and knowing what we know now about the creative inputs that go into DBS, I'm really tempted to say this came from Toyotaro and that the original Toriyama version of the story was more akin to the movie.

But anyway, get rid of this moment. It makes no sense. Especially when you have an omnicidal maniac like Zamasu who is stronger than the SSG Goku who was contributing to these universe destroying shockwaves. Really Zamasu could've just punched his hands together and made universal shockwaves to enact his Zero Mortals Plan or something towards the end of the arc. Instead its a throwaway moment that just never gets addressed again. You can't have "Goku's punches with Beerus are about to destroy the universe!" then just IGNORE that and pretend it didn't happen ever again with later arcs down the line! If you're going to go TTGL, go FULL out with the TTGL. Anything less is a disappointment.

Thirdly, stop rushing everything. We've just introduced the concept of all these different universes, each with their own history and characters and oh wait now we're just blowing our load and having Goku fight all their strongest people all at once in a big tournament. Having all these universes could've ensured that DB would've had material to draw from and stories to make FOR YEARS TO COME. Nope, turns out they're all mostly pathetic and good ol' Goku is just giving them what for barring a couple of characters here and there. It baffles me that aside from a couple of characters like Jiren or Hit that U7 as a whole just massively outclasses the competition by a large margin.  Instead of a close battle royale where we can develop characters later based on interesting fights going on throughout its just U7 curbstomping everyone mostly with ease one by one. You know what would've made Back Tingles less bad? Not having them because you're rushing to make some other Saiyans halfway competitive with Goku. Why'd they have to be competitive with Goku? What's wrong with Tien fighting a Saiyan in a serious fight? He hasn't done that since Nappa. Maybe have Frieza train in hell for a decade as opposed to four months beating up a Zarbon-level guy. Or maybe just have the U6 Saiyans ALREADY BE SUPER SAIYANS instead of them never discovering it.

I don't have much hope for the manga in the regard of the universes either since the Trio de Dangers aren't even mentioned in the pre-game fights and the manga's pre-game Battle Royale ended up being all the GoDs going "Hey, let's gank Beerus cuz we hate him" and then had some minor FFA towards the end before going back to Beerus being one of the last ones standing or at the very least had more focus on, I honestly can't remember how it all went down at the moment. It's like a spoiler preview for the entire ToP, with Beerus playing the role of Goku--Beerus even briefly uses Ultra Instinct! So while the manga has developed the GoDs more than the anime, so far the anime is doing better with unique characters like the Trio de Dangers. It's just such a weird mismatch. In a perfect (Cell) world we could have both.

Fourthly, and this kind of goes in line with no universe-busting punches and not rushing things and power scaling--if you're going to have an arc where you want to have the lesser characters contribute to something...just make it a traditional tournament arc. I know this format has its naysayers for being overdone and predictable, but I don't see how its really any different from the current story we have now, really, where U7 has their opponents mostly just line up one by one to get knocked out. A traditional tournament arc, Dark Tournament style, would allow the lesser fighters to get creative while also not having the narrative anchor that is Jiren just standing around not eliminating potential threats to himself. Unless that threat is named Hit, because Jiren hates that guy apparently but Goku he's cool with not eliminating because Goku has main character plot armor equipped.

A traditional format gets rid of that problem by...wait for it...having Jiren stand around and legally not be allowed to do anything until his turn in the ring. The only difference between this and what Jiren is doing now is that the only thing stopping Jiren from winning the entire tournament RIGHT NOW is Jiren himself. If they felt a traditional tournament is "too soon" after the other tournament, even though we had a whole arc since then, more than one arc if we're looking at the anime, then they shouldn't have had a tournament at all and had Goku meet Jiren under some other pretense like exploring a different Universe altogether.

I say keep the universe destroying feat, yet make SSGod THE form of pure God Ki. The only limit it has is it's time limit, then make SSBlue a subform, where it's alot stronger then all the other regular SS forms, yet it only works by mixing 'Regular' Ki with God Ki. HAve Goku or someone explain that without the ritual they can't hold that much God ki without destroying themselves so they spend their time gradually increasing their power and control. Use some new techniques instead of just powerups. Spend more time showing what the other universes are like, their cultures, old enemies the main guys have overcome, their powers and abilites.

Also- Save Vegito for something truly terrible, instead of wanking fan nostalgia by adding him into the Zamasu arc.

Cancel the Zamasu arc, or at least make it make sense/have logic.

Expand their universe before meeting the others. I feel that the U6 V U7 tournament arc could have waited alot longer down the line, let alone the current universal survival arc. Axalon makes alot of sense where they've rushed this so much, and also made it almost unbearably Goku-Centric

And for the love of Jebus, some actual consistency and links to DBZ and actual explanations how the new forms/abilites work would be amazing.

Oh God the slice of life episodes are fantastic. Mostly. That very first ep of DBS where Goten/Trunks are fighting a giant snake for some water or whatever for Videl's wedding present was eye-rolling...but the baseball game between Beerus and Champa was goddamn hilarious and one of the greatest filler episodes in DB history, if not the greatest one. Still a little upset at that one episode where Goku's trying to FINALLY resurrect King Kai and half of the cast are being jerks about it and saying their issues like #18 wanting more money are more important.

Dragon Ball Super has already improved a lot over the last 100 episodes, so I'm honestly not one to complain.

I think my main point of issue would be that they're really still dragging their feet on pulling certain characters up to par. Piccolo really should be brought into the fold of the stronger fighters. Gohan is a low level god character, which is fine, but Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Goku should all really be sitting near the top. It gives you more options. It lets you feel more connection to the characters. It gives more opportunities for cool fights and bravado. It also let's these characters really display something special.

Vegeta vs. Goku.

Piccolo vs. 2nd Form Frieza.

Goku vs. Frieza

Vegeta vs. 19

Piccolo vs. 20

Vegeta & Co vs. 17. and 18.

Piccolo vs. Cell

Piccolo vs. 17

Goku vs. Cell.

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These fights in this order felt right, they felt the best, because you entered them wondering "wow, whose going to win. Whose going to come out on top?" you *felt* how strong Piccolo was versus Frieza, in how the fight was animated and the credibility the other characters leant to Piccolo.

Piccolo vs. Frost didn't have the same credibility. You just don't feel it. It was a bit better in the universe survival arc, but it's a persistent problem with the show, and has been since the Kid BUU Saga. It's not just a Super problem, it's a Dragon Ball Z / GT problem too.

I remember that discussion. With an episode like that it is easy to make these more enjoyable. In the discussion thread I said instead of having everyone fight for the wish that they should have treated it as fun the little bonding adventure. Goku, Bulma, Krillin, Oolong, Yamecha, and Pura going on an adventure again like old times and taking Goten, Trunks, and Maron with them. It services as nostalgia by having them go on a nice slow adventure for the Dragon Balls like the old days, but by adding the kids to the dynamic it changes things enough. It allows parent and child bonding, but also allows characters like Maron and Goten to interact with each other for the first time ever, which alters Goku and Krillin dynamic just a bit differently here.

Meanwhile you have everyone else preparing a party or get together for when the group comes back. You can have the spouses, Chi-chi, Vegeta, and 18 interact with each other, which is an odd group, and discussing how they sometimes don't get their spouses and feel like the odd ones out sometimes when they all have get togethers and maybe find something to bond over. As long as you can introduce new elements to the table even little things like King Kai's resurrection can lead to character development, play on nostalgia, and add something new into the mix. I would love to see how Trunks and Goten would get along with Maron considering their parents are best friends and they are forced to spend a lot of time together given how frequently the gang get together nowadays. By the end of the episode or episodes they use the Dragon Balls to wish back King Kai to life. It is just a fun little adventure.

To continue this sentiment keep RoF purely as a movie and not fitting into the actual series like past movies the second arc of Super should be U6 Tournament arc. That is the arc that introduces the concept of multiverse to the characters and brings back tournaments that popularized DB. There doesn't need to be stakes in this arc. People are fine with fun and no stakes arcs if they prove entertaining, provide character development, or set up future events. The trading Earths bit was never needed IMO. Beerus and Champa are petty enough to use mortals to represent them in a fighting competition to settle a dispute or prove who is better god. That is fine. Sure not everyone would like it, but it would follow Beerus character. Super Dragon Balls aren't even needed. I wouldn't introduce those items in this arc. Beerus can entice Goku and Vegeta to fight since they want a challenge. Fighters like Uub and Pan who want to improve themselves and win acknowledgement and praise from their teachers it is not like Beerus would be scrambling to fill out his five man team. Goku, Pan, Vegeta, Uub, and Piccolo works as a five man team. With kid Pan there it sets up nostalgia enough by having her compete like her Grandpa Goku and uncle Krillin used to compete in tournaments as kids.

The tournament would be a good way to start developing Pan and Uub's characters. It is also a way to reestablish Piccolo as a fighter for future arcs. Universe 6 works the way it was for the most part. If I were to make any changes they would be minor ones like Cabba and Frost. Frost being a good guy works. Have him be one of the leaders of a peace and democratic version of the Planet Trade Organization with Saiyans being part of the police force still. Cabba I would make a Super Saiyan 1 at the start. Hit goes from SSGSS level opponent though to a SS3 level opponent. It is a loss in power, but considering Goku and Vegeta haven't mastered god ki yet and his ability is powerful that he would still have everything that made folks love him. Either team could win, but the important part would be to provide new rivals and character development that will setup future developments and people will enjoy it.

Eliminate God KI altogether. It makes no sense at all. Just make SSJGOD and SSJBLUE SSJ4 and SSJ5 respectively.

It makes no sense because people without any God KI have consistently been shown battling so-called "God Saiyans". Freeza, Dyspo, Toppo (anime), Hit, A17, Bergamo, Aniraza, Kefla/Kefura, Kale herself, the short fat blue pride trooper who fought against Goku and Hit etc etc...

Any way of reworking God KI would have to make all those persons "Gods" as well. Let's be real, there is nothing really godly about God KI.